Remove AR, reduce upgrade time?

[PittBoss]

It's high time now. We need Upgrade. We need Upgrade.

[QKZXKV]

Yup...

[Airbrake]

JDP said at ground school last week they were preparing something for ALPA to look at to negotiate the programs end before arbitration if able. But no timeline for such an offer was provided.

[QKZXKV]

JDP said at ground school last week they were preparing something for ALPA to look at to negotiate the programs end before arbitration if able. But no timeline for such an offer was provided.

I wouldn't take stock in anything he says

[Blueontop]

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It's high time now. We need Upgrade. We need Upgrade.

You wanted him, you got him

[cdnavater]

It's high time now. We need Upgrade. We need Upgrade.

I’d be less concerned with the AR pilots getting out of your way, really that’s what this posts amounts too, but maybe be more concerned with downgrades and potential layoffs coming all of our way!
I’m curious, if it’s in fact true that the AR pilots bid reserve and essentially cannot be used for much of anything, why is it you think them leaving will change anything?
The company is bearing the brunt of this, they would obviously need more reserve coverage to account for this which likely means they are appropriately staffed and those pilots leaving won’t amount to the amount of upgrades you think, if any at all!

[BigQ]

10% of company goes AR in next 3 years. I can see mgmt really wanting to get rid of it in this economic environment.

[flieslikeachicken]

10% of company goes AR in next 3 years. I can see mgmt really wanting to get rid of it in this economic environment.

Offer them a position on the Q with the same pay for the remainder of their career at WestJet. They're (still) woefully understaffed on the Q and the problem is not being resolved.

But WJ management doesn't care about solutions; they like bandaids to make it look like they're fixing the problem for cheaper.

[PittBoss]

10% of company goes AR in next 3 years. I can see mgmt really wanting to get rid of it in this economic environment.

Offer them a position on the Q with the same pay for the remainder of their career at WestJet. They're (still) woefully understaffed on the Q and the problem is not being resolved.

Definitely. Q needs Skippers and they fly Domestic.

[phenix]

It's high time now. We need Upgrade. We need Upgrade.

I’d be less concerned with the AR pilots getting out of your way, really that’s what this posts amounts too, but maybe be more concerned with downgrades and potential layoffs coming all of our way!
I’m curious, if it’s in fact true that the AR pilots bid reserve and essentially cannot be used for much of anything, why is it you think them leaving will change anything?
The company is bearing the brunt of this, they would obviously need more reserve coverage to account for this which likely means they are appropriately staffed and those pilots leaving won’t amount to the amount of upgrades you think, if any at all!

It’s an old wives tale. All WestJet pilots have access to the reserve staffing, despite that the urban legend of all the AR guys bidding reserve and passing on everything doesn’t seem to die.
This month, there is 1 AR on reserve.

[cdnavater]

It's high time now. We need Upgrade. We need Upgrade.

I’d be less concerned with the AR pilots getting out of your way, really that’s what this posts amounts too, but maybe be more concerned with downgrades and potential layoffs coming all of our way!
I’m curious, if it’s in fact true that the AR pilots bid reserve and essentially cannot be used for much of anything, why is it you think them leaving will change anything?
The company is bearing the brunt of this, they would obviously need more reserve coverage to account for this which likely means they are appropriately staffed and those pilots leaving won’t amount to the amount of upgrades you think, if any at all!

It’s an old wives tale. All WestJet pilots have access to the reserve staffing, despite that the urban legend of all the AR guys bidding reserve and passing on everything doesn’t seem to die.
This month, there is 1 AR on reserve.

Ok, fair. Our AR pilots wouldn’t benefit from bidding reserve at all, there is no min guarantee for them, they get paid what they fly.

[altiplano]

It's high time now. We need Upgrade. We need Upgrade.

I’d be less concerned with the AR pilots getting out of your way, really that’s what this posts amounts too, but maybe be more concerned with downgrades and potential layoffs coming all of our way!
I’m curious, if it’s in fact true that the AR pilots bid reserve and essentially cannot be used for much of anything, why is it you think them leaving will change anything?
The company is bearing the brunt of this, they would obviously need more reserve coverage to account for this which likely means they are appropriately staffed and those pilots leaving won’t amount to the amount of upgrades you think, if any at all!

It’s an old wives tale. All WestJet pilots have access to the reserve staffing, despite that the urban legend of all the AR guys bidding reserve and passing on everything doesn’t seem to die.
This month, there is 1 AR on reserve.

How does the WJ reserve call out work? Long/short? Is there a premium for short call?

[nohojob]

Both and no

[Inverted2]

At Jazz it’s not so bad since there’s a limited number of positions overall and no jet flying for them in the east.

It will get interesting if there’s layoffs with the fuel price shitshow. Will a boomer retire or let a new hire get laid off? I think I know the answer to that.

[SNAAP]

Both and no

No premium for SC? Dang

[TheMexicoLooter]

YOU DONT KNOW HOW TO HOLD YOUR HORSES AND YOU WANT EVERYTHING NOW NOW NOW PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE I HAD TO WAIT 3 YEARS AFTER HIGH SCHOOL JUST TO BUY MY FIRST HOUSE AND IT DIDNT EVEN HAVE WALLPAPER OR SHAG CARPET ON THE 2ND FLOOR I LOVE GOING TO WORK THOUGH AND TELLING STORIES OF THE WAY THINGS USED TO BE DONT TELL ME YOUR STORIES THOUGH IM NOT INTERESTED AND WONT RESPOND TO ANYTHING YOU SAY IM JUST WAITING FOR YOU TO STOP TALKING SO I CAN TELL YOU MORE ABOUT MOOSEJAW

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[QKZXKV]

YOU DONT KNOW HOW TO HOLD YOUR HORSES AND YOU WANT EVERYTHING NOW NOW NOW PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE I HAD TO WAIT 3 YEARS AFTER HIGH SCHOOL JUST TO BUY MY FIRST HOUSE AND IT DIDNT EVEN HAVE WALLPAPER OR SHAG CARPET ON THE 2ND FLOOR I LOVE GOING TO WORK THOUGH AND TELLING STORIES OF THE WAY THINGS USED TO BE DONT TELL ME YOUR STORIES THOUGH IM NOT INTERESTED AND WONT RESPOND TO ANYTHING YOU SAY IM JUST WAITING FOR YOU TO STOP TALKING SO I CAN TELL YOU MORE ABOUT MOOSEJAW

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[altiplano]

Both and no

Could you elaborate on how the long/short system works?

[nohojob]

LCR Long call reserve.
The company must give you a minimum of 14hrs notification.
However report time can fall out of your RAP.
It means that they can't call you but they will put the pairing on you schedule and you are expected to check and acknowledge.
Also during a 5 day block if you get called and you have 2 days or less left, they switch you SCR short call reserve.
SCR is pretty standard, you have 2 hours to report.

[Mach1]

It's high time now. We need Upgrade. We need Upgrade.

How many years do you have left before you age out?

When I see a post like this, I am left with two questions.
1. Is it about the money?
2. Is it about having 4 bars?

One makes you a reasonable person but if you have many years left on the payroll, relax. You are still making way more than the average couple in Canada.

Two makes you an absolute nightmare to work with.

[Hangry]

It's high time now. We need Upgrade. We need Upgrade.

How many years do you have left before you age out?

When I see a post like this, I am left with two questions.
1. Is it about the money?
2. Is it about having 4 bars?

One makes you a reasonable person but if you have many years left on the payroll, relax. You are still making way more than the average couple in Canada.

Two makes you an absolute nightmare to work with.

See everyone? These loser boomers who can’t retire aren’t causing a problem at all. You don’t need that money or left seat! Just chill. You’re the problem.

[Canadaflyer46]

Assuming optimistically that they do upgrades in 2027, those FOs will be 12 years in. It’ll then be around another 5 years to be off reserve and hold a block.
‘Just be patient’ is a little patronizing given those timelines.

[Mach1]

See everyone? These loser boomers who can’t retire aren’t causing a problem at all. You don’t need that money or left seat! Just chill. You’re the problem.

Swing and a miss. I am not a Boomer. But thanks for playing.

I am impressed with how well you demonstrated my second point with that mature, in command, response. Thank you.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled meowing on 121.5

[cdnavater]

Anyone know how many AR pilots are actually on the roster?

[JungleRiot]

Anyone know how many AR pilots are actually on the roster?

50 currently. 25 non AR guys retired in 2025, another 25 to add to that this year. 200 eligible in the next 3 years. Also, not everyone retires right at 65. I know a bunch of skippers who will leave at 60, so upgrades are definitely coming