Hey everyone, looking for some regulatory insight from fellow Canadian Medevac pilots regarding CAR 700.121 (Delayed Reporting Time). I am on-call with no predetermined schedule—my duty starts whenever the phone rings. Recently, I got a call for a mission, but after pulling the METARs/TAFs, I made a safety "No-Go" call because the weather was below limits.
The moment they call me and I begin evaluating the flight, I am officially on duty and my FDP clock is ticking. However, I’m wondering about the legality of an operator trying to retroactively apply CAR 700.121 in this scenario. Since the rule requires a calculation based on an "original reporting time" (which I don't have while on call), can an operator legally claim a weather delay falls under this rule to "push back" my duty start time and claw back FDP hours? Has anyone dealt with a company trying to manipulate duty times this way after a weather call? Appreciate any insight or TC interpretations you guys might have
700.121 Delayed reporting time - Medevac Ops
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Re: 700.121 Delayed reporting time - Medevac Ops
If you are at your normal rest station ie crew house and the have not left for 3 hours or more between the calls. Then your duty day is started at time time of acceptance of the second call . This is delayed duty reporting
This of course assume you did get your 8 hours prone rest and normal personal time to be fit for duty .before first call .
Seen situations where weather front wide area crap but dispatch calls every hour. 2an hour To ck. If you accept. Then. Give them a percentage. 0-3% getting in at destination ,and 100 % the next calls they will be making are to the deceased crew families. That usually puts the kibosh on that. You can always shoot approach to mins . And that for sure activates your duty day. With a resulting 8-9 hour reset once back from the missed approach. Rolling duty days are tough . On the body n soul.
This of course assume you did get your 8 hours prone rest and normal personal time to be fit for duty .before first call .
Seen situations where weather front wide area crap but dispatch calls every hour. 2an hour To ck. If you accept. Then. Give them a percentage. 0-3% getting in at destination ,and 100 % the next calls they will be making are to the deceased crew families. That usually puts the kibosh on that. You can always shoot approach to mins . And that for sure activates your duty day. With a resulting 8-9 hour reset once back from the missed approach. Rolling duty days are tough . On the body n soul.
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Re: 700.121 Delayed reporting time - Medevac Ops
All companies at all levels try to manipulate the CARs to their advantage. Often they do this by putting poorly trained dispatchers in a position they have no business being in, giving them minimal training and then making you the PIC fight to stay safe. When I flew air ambulance it was always this way, at 705 level it's still this way. Sorry.
My feeling is that your duty time begins at the beginning of your on call shift. That's the end of your rest period where you were expected to get 8 hours of uninterrupted rest. Your original reporting time is the beginning of your on call period.
My feeling is that your duty time begins at the beginning of your on call shift. That's the end of your rest period where you were expected to get 8 hours of uninterrupted rest. Your original reporting time is the beginning of your on call period.
