I live in Southern Ontario and own a Cessna Cardinal RG. I am looking for some ideas on how to generate some income with this plane (Legally!). I have thought about aerial photography, maybe teaming up with a survey company. I think the plane is too small and too limited for charters and cargo. Any other ideas?
Thanks.
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Looking for ideas on how to generate income with a C177 RG
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Cat Driver
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When you use the word " legally " as a description of how you can use an airplane in Canada you are really getting into a grey area.
A lot will depend on who you are and how TC decides to interpet their idea of the rules.
For instance if you forget to shove your nose far enough up some thugs as.hole in TC the question of legality will have no part in their decision on if you can operate or not.
Cat
A lot will depend on who you are and how TC decides to interpet their idea of the rules.
For instance if you forget to shove your nose far enough up some thugs as.hole in TC the question of legality will have no part in their decision on if you can operate or not.
Cat
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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" .....guess we cant put it on tubs, Cat? "
I've never seen a STC for putting one on floats.
There is always the option of just making money with it and f.ck the legality.
The cost of paying fines will be far cheaper than what it would cost to get an OC and the cost of operating under one.
Cat
I've never seen a STC for putting one on floats.
There is always the option of just making money with it and f.ck the legality.
The cost of paying fines will be far cheaper than what it would cost to get an OC and the cost of operating under one.
Cat
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
I should have been more specific, I would like to be the one flying it. So FTU, block time and leasing aren't quite what I was looking for.
Pipeline patrol could be an option. Anybody know how to go about getting into that? What altitude & speed do they usually fly at?
Would fire spotting be an option?
Maybe I should put something on Ebay?
Pipeline patrol could be an option. Anybody know how to go about getting into that? What altitude & speed do they usually fly at?
Would fire spotting be an option?
Maybe I should put something on Ebay?
Experience is something you get after you needed it.
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mikegtzg
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Well this idea doesn't generate income...as in a profit sense of the word. But that type of aircraft would be a good platform for spotting. Like joining the local CASARA group and be the pilot. They recieve compensation for expenses, and get to take part in some precise and interesting flying.
CASARA sounds like a worthy cause. I'll look into it. I just signed up with Hope Air. Just need the weather to start cooperating. Nice to be able to do community service work with the plane.
Moose spotting eh. Can't say I thought of that one.
Assume doing sight seeing flights requires an OC?
Could do Eco tours up North? Polar bear spotting?
How big of a deal is it to get an OC? I have read some of the horror stories about TC but is it really that bad?
Moose spotting eh. Can't say I thought of that one.
Assume doing sight seeing flights requires an OC?
Could do Eco tours up North? Polar bear spotting?
How big of a deal is it to get an OC? I have read some of the horror stories about TC but is it really that bad?
Experience is something you get after you needed it.
flyby -
seriously now -
you need to:
- Write your own Operations Manual up using CARS 702 and CASS 722 as your guideline... ( not to mention all the other applicable CARS sections, 400's, 600's, 700's, etc.)
-Write up or buy a Maintenance Manual, and have a Maintenace Scedule Approval in place for your AC
-Get your A/C up to 700's standard ( ie: follow everything in the MSA to a tee. be prepared to spend lots on this).
-Either start up your own AMO (hard), or make up a contract between your company and an AMO (easy).
Do a bunch of other stuff and jump through a bunch of other hoops I missed...
THEN:
Apply to T.C. for an OC... (not impossible for one guy, just be very, very knowledgeable what you're doing, so TC will only reject you for the 1st 3 tries, and not for 5 or 6 times.)
Some advice: Hire an aviation consultant who will charge you only all your fingers and toes instead of your whole arm and leg to walk you through the process.
When you are finally ready,
-If you have a commercial licence, then congrats, you can fly for profit. If not, then hire a commercial pilot and all the fun that goes along with that.
Now you have a crew...
Start up your own aviation company and wait for the calls to roll in...
seriously now -
you need to:
- Write your own Operations Manual up using CARS 702 and CASS 722 as your guideline... ( not to mention all the other applicable CARS sections, 400's, 600's, 700's, etc.)
-Write up or buy a Maintenance Manual, and have a Maintenace Scedule Approval in place for your AC
-Get your A/C up to 700's standard ( ie: follow everything in the MSA to a tee. be prepared to spend lots on this).
-Either start up your own AMO (hard), or make up a contract between your company and an AMO (easy).
Do a bunch of other stuff and jump through a bunch of other hoops I missed...
THEN:
Apply to T.C. for an OC... (not impossible for one guy, just be very, very knowledgeable what you're doing, so TC will only reject you for the 1st 3 tries, and not for 5 or 6 times.)
Some advice: Hire an aviation consultant who will charge you only all your fingers and toes instead of your whole arm and leg to walk you through the process.
When you are finally ready,
-If you have a commercial licence, then congrats, you can fly for profit. If not, then hire a commercial pilot and all the fun that goes along with that.
Now you have a crew...
Start up your own aviation company and wait for the calls to roll in...
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-Sir Winston Churchill
Pipeline is generally flown about 150-200 agl, sometimes higher in built up areas. Airborne Energy Solutions in Whitecourt AB has used the cardinal for years on pipe patrol. it works well, faster then a 172 cheep to operate. They use the fixed gear ones.
To start you would need an OC, then start biding on contracts. The Energy and utilities board mandates how often a line is flown depends on pipe pressure, contents, location etc.
To start you would need an OC, then start biding on contracts. The Energy and utilities board mandates how often a line is flown depends on pipe pressure, contents, location etc.
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Cat Driver
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Teekay..you forgot about needing a PRM...
It was that one that finally caused me to go bankrupt. Those co.ksuckers just kept turning down every applicant I put foward and of course that included myself.
Cat
It was that one that finally caused me to go bankrupt. Those co.ksuckers just kept turning down every applicant I put foward and of course that included myself.
Cat
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
Flyby Just a though on the aerial photography idea. I have used a Cessna RG I think it was a 172 RG, to take oblique photos. The aircraft you have might work but its too thirsty, sluggish and fast to make any money at that business. You also need to be the only one on board to be legal if you don’t have an OC.
Cat Driver.
I was a PRM for a new flight school I was working for in 2000, as I remember all I needed to was write a test on the applicable section of CARS and know my maintenance control manual really well. It was not that big of a deal.
Don’t forget the audits your GOING to get just to make sure your on the ball with your new “responsibilities”
Cat Driver.
I was a PRM for a new flight school I was working for in 2000, as I remember all I needed to was write a test on the applicable section of CARS and know my maintenance control manual really well. It was not that big of a deal.
Don’t forget the audits your GOING to get just to make sure your on the ball with your new “responsibilities”
TeeKay,
Thanks for your informative posts. Sounds like a mountain of red tape, but not insurmountable.
I_reason,
"thirsty, sluggish" Just wondering in reference to what?
We get 8.5 USG\hour @ 140 Kts and I have never found it to be sluggish. With the Gear down and 10deg of flaps it flies nicely at 90-100kts. Would this be considered too fast?
Not sure if I know what "oblique photos" are? Could you explain?
Thanks for your informative posts. Sounds like a mountain of red tape, but not insurmountable.
I_reason,
"thirsty, sluggish" Just wondering in reference to what?
We get 8.5 USG\hour @ 140 Kts and I have never found it to be sluggish. With the Gear down and 10deg of flaps it flies nicely at 90-100kts. Would this be considered too fast?
Not sure if I know what "oblique photos" are? Could you explain?
Experience is something you get after you needed it.
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Rubberbiscuit
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I know that around Sarnia the local flight school is paid to do pipeline with a 150/172... not sure about the specifics, but I've ridden along on a few flights.Doc wrote:MNR uses smaller aircraft for moose spotting. But I cant think of a use for your airplane, that would put you in the saddle...too small for charter. I did a bit of pipeline patrol in another life...in an Aztec....I dont think they use fixed wing at all anymore?
