Instructor Rating at CZBB
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Instructor Rating at CZBB
Hey there, I am planning on doing my instructor rating at CZBB and haven't decided which school to do it at yet. They all look pretty good. Any input would be much appreciated. Please PM me if you could. Cheers
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Flight Training in ZBB
IF you are looking for a great way to do an unbiossed check of each school to be a potential flight instructor, take a look at their booking sheet when you go there to talk to them. you may see a school with 20+ instructors who get 4-5 flights per week and then you may go next door and see a school who's only got 4-5 instructors but they are busy all day every day.
I would recommend montair or Pro at zbb, they both run a great school and I consider them to be the best ones there. they each have their advantages and their disadvantages.
I seem to remember that pro has quite a lot of instructors but weather they are busy or not I have no idea. John is a great guy to work for. As for Montair I know that they are the bussiest flight school at the airport based upon movements per day, also they have a great fleet. they don't have too many instructors (4-5) total and will not garantee anyone a job. they also won't hire anyone unless they need to. this will keep the guys that they have busy.
if anyone knows any more about these schools I would appreciate any PM's
Cheers
I would recommend montair or Pro at zbb, they both run a great school and I consider them to be the best ones there. they each have their advantages and their disadvantages.
I seem to remember that pro has quite a lot of instructors but weather they are busy or not I have no idea. John is a great guy to work for. As for Montair I know that they are the bussiest flight school at the airport based upon movements per day, also they have a great fleet. they don't have too many instructors (4-5) total and will not garantee anyone a job. they also won't hire anyone unless they need to. this will keep the guys that they have busy.
if anyone knows any more about these schools I would appreciate any PM's
Cheers
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zbb is a great place to do an instructor rating and to do training. From someone who has been in the industry for several years, the sooner you get used to traffic, the better. You get better experience out of zbb & buttonville type airports than most other training airports.
westcoast, check your PM's.
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westcoast, check your PM's.
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Rich of Peak
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An instructor rating at boundary bay is a good idea. Probably the busiest trainig airport in Canada.
There are a number of schools:
Pacific Flying club :
The most aircraft on the field, but a very underused fleet since most aircraft remain on the ground. Management is pretty anal about some things. Generally on poor weather days that are still flyable for certain exercises the entire fleet is grounded.
Canadian Flight Centre :
Fairly busy school, they fly Cherokees and Seminoles. Not too many instructors, therefore individual instructors remain busy. Ron Harcus can come across a little grumpy, and will not guarantee a job. By the way none of the schools will guarantee a job. But if the candidate is serious and has a good attitude....good things happen.
Flight Tech ( is that what they're called ??)
Stay away........enough said
Just poke your head in the school and you'll know what I mean
Montair Aviation:
Newest aircraft on the field. They are training alot of Chinese students and need instructors. Downside....the owner/cfi is a complete A**hole.
And by the way.....One of the above posts mentioned that Montair was the busiest flying schools interms of movements.......that is complete and utter BS.
Professional Flight Centre:
A very busy school probably the busiest on the field. On Poor weather days they are the only ones flying, whether it be circuits or low level airwork. They have alot of instructors on staff alot of which are part time and or never there. Excellent networking opportunities due to seminars which attract a large number of pilots for ATPL conversions and IFR rides.
They probably do more IFR rides than all the other schools combined.
The bottom line here is that you have to be comfortable wherever you do your training. That starts with atmosphere. Some schools have a bland and stuck up atmosphere, others are more inviting and are humming as a result.
Simply give Boundary Bay fuel a call and see who orders the most fuel and compare that with the amount of aircraft they have in their fleet. Talk to the fuel guys themselves since they are on the front lines. Where does TC go when they need a renewal ride or some training??
If you have any firther questions PM me.....
Cheers
There are a number of schools:
Pacific Flying club :
The most aircraft on the field, but a very underused fleet since most aircraft remain on the ground. Management is pretty anal about some things. Generally on poor weather days that are still flyable for certain exercises the entire fleet is grounded.
Canadian Flight Centre :
Fairly busy school, they fly Cherokees and Seminoles. Not too many instructors, therefore individual instructors remain busy. Ron Harcus can come across a little grumpy, and will not guarantee a job. By the way none of the schools will guarantee a job. But if the candidate is serious and has a good attitude....good things happen.
Flight Tech ( is that what they're called ??)
Stay away........enough said
Just poke your head in the school and you'll know what I mean
Montair Aviation:
Newest aircraft on the field. They are training alot of Chinese students and need instructors. Downside....the owner/cfi is a complete A**hole.
And by the way.....One of the above posts mentioned that Montair was the busiest flying schools interms of movements.......that is complete and utter BS.
Professional Flight Centre:
A very busy school probably the busiest on the field. On Poor weather days they are the only ones flying, whether it be circuits or low level airwork. They have alot of instructors on staff alot of which are part time and or never there. Excellent networking opportunities due to seminars which attract a large number of pilots for ATPL conversions and IFR rides.
They probably do more IFR rides than all the other schools combined.
The bottom line here is that you have to be comfortable wherever you do your training. That starts with atmosphere. Some schools have a bland and stuck up atmosphere, others are more inviting and are humming as a result.
Simply give Boundary Bay fuel a call and see who orders the most fuel and compare that with the amount of aircraft they have in their fleet. Talk to the fuel guys themselves since they are on the front lines. Where does TC go when they need a renewal ride or some training??
If you have any firther questions PM me.....
Cheers
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Pro IFR is not a bad group of guys but a few points about the previous posts. yes they may be the only ones that are flying when the rest of the field is grounded. what does that say about their Pilot Decision Making. PPL in a citabria doing circuits at 500' that's stupid not good training. what does that teach them... Sweet F**K All. yes they have a great IFR program but they are flying BE76's. They were up yesterday afternoon. Freezing level of 2500'. departed for an IFR training flight. interesting, I didn't realize thhat the 76 was certified for flight into known icing.
yes the boss at montair is a bit of an ass sometimes but when I go to do my IFR & Instructor rating I know that he'll be the best one around. he's actually got some real world expreience as well as he's a class 1 instructor.
the previous post stated that TC sometimes uses pro for seminars. good for pro. however montair must be doing things right as Air China go to them when they need to have a group of students trained. Montair is only 1 of 6 schools worldwide that has been certified by the CAAC to do flight training for students. CAAC is the equivilant of TC. others include places like UND and emery riddle.
I would go back to bay fuel and find out who really buys the most fuel.. not from the fuelers but fcrom management. then call ATC (604-946-0911) ask them who does the most movements.
I must of missed the PC12 or BE 10 on the pro website but I don't remember seeing a charter or turbine training division of the company.
Funny eh..
Cheers
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yes the boss at montair is a bit of an ass sometimes but when I go to do my IFR & Instructor rating I know that he'll be the best one around. he's actually got some real world expreience as well as he's a class 1 instructor.
the previous post stated that TC sometimes uses pro for seminars. good for pro. however montair must be doing things right as Air China go to them when they need to have a group of students trained. Montair is only 1 of 6 schools worldwide that has been certified by the CAAC to do flight training for students. CAAC is the equivilant of TC. others include places like UND and emery riddle.
I would go back to bay fuel and find out who really buys the most fuel.. not from the fuelers but fcrom management. then call ATC (604-946-0911) ask them who does the most movements.
I must of missed the PC12 or BE 10 on the pro website but I don't remember seeing a charter or turbine training division of the company.
Funny eh..
Cheers
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You've got to be kidding me bro. Don't start knocking a school like or making "NTSB" remarks on what is safe that until you've at LEAST got your IFR done. Especially one that has a reputation like Pro. Either you're an instructor that's trying to drum up some business, or a student that's trying to justify your pick of schools.Simulated flying wrote:PPL in a citabria doing circuits at 500' that's stupid not good training. what does that teach them... Sweet F**K All.Freezing level of 2500'. departed for an IFR training flight. interesting, I didn't realize thhat the 76 was certified for flight into known icing.but when I go to do my IFR & Instructor rating
To the original poster, the best way to get a feel for the schools at ZBB is to ask around and visit them. If it's employment after that you're looking for, make sure you bring that up in your discussions with the CFI.
Cheers,
Pugster
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OUCH! (anti-pro comments)
I find the instruction, atmosphere and training at Pro. to be of excellent calibre. This would explain all of the testimonials as well as "thank you" plaques on the walls from RCMP ect. who have trained there.
From experience I have not been asked/ pressured to fly in anything I am uncomfortable in (WX).
I find the instruction, atmosphere and training at Pro. to be of excellent calibre. This would explain all of the testimonials as well as "thank you" plaques on the walls from RCMP ect. who have trained there.
From experience I have not been asked/ pressured to fly in anything I am uncomfortable in (WX).
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Wow....A comment like that leads me to believe that you are either a naive student or an instructor with a serious lack of creativity. This has nothing to do with pilot decision making. The student is briefed that this is not solo weather or good weather to be doing anything but training. Students need to experience marginal weather under the protective wing of their instructor in order to make good decisions. They need to discover what their personal weather limits are. What does 3sm vis look like? What does 1sm vis look like? After all they are going to be licensed to fly at VFR and special VFR minimums. Don't get me wrong its not a pissing contest....."Look at me I can fly in any weather" But it is flight training after all.yes they may be the only ones that are flying when the rest of the field is grounded. what does that say about their Pilot Decision Making. PPL in a citabria doing circuits at 500' that's stupid not good training. what does that teach them... Sweet F**K All.
Low level circuits are one of the best ways of teaching and enhancing stick and rudder skills. The above quote simply blows my mind. I feel sorry for you buddy.
Regarding the BE 10.....Does that thing fly. Haven't seen it airborne in months. But I guess its a nice piece of decoration around the hangar.
Don't mean to rant but comments like the above really get to me.....
Cheers to all
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Rich of Peak,
You took the words right out of my mouth...How can a student know (coming from a student) learn to fly in and cope with MVFR without experiencing it/becoming deathly afraid of it??..Pro provides real world, real senario training..quit hiding from real senario's/ wx..and learn to deal with it/ know how to..(in the time that you may need to)
The student will also be less inclined to push wx. having known how enjoyable it is to fly in the s&*(&.
You took the words right out of my mouth...How can a student know (coming from a student) learn to fly in and cope with MVFR without experiencing it/becoming deathly afraid of it??..Pro provides real world, real senario training..quit hiding from real senario's/ wx..and learn to deal with it/ know how to..(in the time that you may need to)
The student will also be less inclined to push wx. having known how enjoyable it is to fly in the s&*(&.
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For the record, I think Pro is a very respectable FTU in many ways.
But if you're going to talk about reputation, Pro is not the only one at the top of the list. This is not a contest about bad-mouthing each other's flight schools or employers. The comments made about Pro may well have been uncalled for and untrue. But then again by making comments like:
There is nothing wrong with showing a little pride about your flight school or employer. Let's just try and keep it tasteful.
But if you're going to talk about reputation, Pro is not the only one at the top of the list. This is not a contest about bad-mouthing each other's flight schools or employers. The comments made about Pro may well have been uncalled for and untrue. But then again by making comments like:
...you are guilty of the exact same. There are a thousand reasons to justify choosing a fine school like Montair, as one could argue about Pro. According to my sources, if you're going to talk about reputation, Montair is right up there with the likes of Pro and many other great outfits. Exactly what the ranking is depends on individual values and preferences. I should think that every person's employer/flight school is number one on their list, or they should not be there.Either you're an instructor that's trying to drum up some business, or a student that's trying to justify your pick of schools.
There is nothing wrong with showing a little pride about your flight school or employer. Let's just try and keep it tasteful.
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I find it funny that there have been some issues that have been just glazed over here intentionally and in my opinion I wanted to clarify, revalidate them
Pugster wrote
QUOTE icing associated in cloud above freezing level.
therefore the 76 can not depart on a flight where they are above the freezing level within clouds, as such with the seminole or seneca 1. PERIOD
it's not that hard. that's why schools use aircraft like the seneca so that they can teach real world flying LEGALLY. shame on dispatch for letting the aircraft be released. shame on the CFI for allowing these things to happen, shame on the instructor for not cancelling the flight or knowing about the freezing level, and shame on the student for not questioning the regs, or the certification of the aircraft. FINALLTY SHAME ON TC for not enforcing the regs for the certification of the aircraft. it's not that hard. as a general person let alone an experienced ATPL with as much experience as they have
You're right that this is flight training. however. what are your requirements before you send a student solo in one of your aircraft. will you send them on a flight with marginal VFR. i doubt it. even circuits are a waste of time, they are not looking at keeping an established glide path and a constant heading or altitude. just at making it to the runway. yes
Yes maybe for a CPL who is finishing their training should see this kind of weather. but not a PPL student who is practicing circuits. they are spending more time looking out the front window trying to avoid clouds then flying the plane. they are focusing all of their attention on avoiding clouds than actually doing circuits. MVFR doing circuits is not a great traiining tool. well here in the boundary bay airport we know that as long as you stay above 500' then everything is great. do that out towards langley then you will be in for a big supprise.
Fianlly, an instructor should lead by example. never do a flight dual with a student that you wouldn't let them do for on their own. the thought that "I am much better than you so I can do this and you can't is absolute garbage. Otherwise you shouldn't ever expect a student to do something correct or up to your standards, as you said it, you are the instructor and I can't do things like that. it's complete BS.
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give me a break. read the side of the turbulance, icing and freezing level GFA.. come on, even a RPP student can do that.Don't start knocking a school like or making "NTSB" remarks on what is safe that until you've at LEAST got your IFR done.
QUOTE icing associated in cloud above freezing level.
therefore the 76 can not depart on a flight where they are above the freezing level within clouds, as such with the seminole or seneca 1. PERIOD
it's not that hard. that's why schools use aircraft like the seneca so that they can teach real world flying LEGALLY. shame on dispatch for letting the aircraft be released. shame on the CFI for allowing these things to happen, shame on the instructor for not cancelling the flight or knowing about the freezing level, and shame on the student for not questioning the regs, or the certification of the aircraft. FINALLTY SHAME ON TC for not enforcing the regs for the certification of the aircraft. it's not that hard. as a general person let alone an experienced ATPL with as much experience as they have
You're right that this is flight training. however. what are your requirements before you send a student solo in one of your aircraft. will you send them on a flight with marginal VFR. i doubt it. even circuits are a waste of time, they are not looking at keeping an established glide path and a constant heading or altitude. just at making it to the runway. yes
Yes maybe for a CPL who is finishing their training should see this kind of weather. but not a PPL student who is practicing circuits. they are spending more time looking out the front window trying to avoid clouds then flying the plane. they are focusing all of their attention on avoiding clouds than actually doing circuits. MVFR doing circuits is not a great traiining tool. well here in the boundary bay airport we know that as long as you stay above 500' then everything is great. do that out towards langley then you will be in for a big supprise.
Fianlly, an instructor should lead by example. never do a flight dual with a student that you wouldn't let them do for on their own. the thought that "I am much better than you so I can do this and you can't is absolute garbage. Otherwise you shouldn't ever expect a student to do something correct or up to your standards, as you said it, you are the instructor and I can't do things like that. it's complete BS.
Hey west coast,
I've done all my training at zbb, private and commercial at Pacific flying club and my multi IFR at Montair. Both are really great schools. I don't know much about PRO, so I wont say much. I'm also an instructor at zbb, if you want some inside info you can PM me.
justwork
I've done all my training at zbb, private and commercial at Pacific flying club and my multi IFR at Montair. Both are really great schools. I don't know much about PRO, so I wont say much. I'm also an instructor at zbb, if you want some inside info you can PM me.
justwork
