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[Dust Devil]

You sound anti gun to me.

Show me one anti gun post that I have made on this forum?

[swede]

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If the Conservatives have a hidden agenda why doesn't Belinda whats her name let us all know what it is. She was shagging Peter and should know what was in the minds of the Torry elite. I'll tell you who has had the hidden agenda, the Liberals. If you can't see it there likely isn't much hope for you anyway.

Someone posted why am I "afraid" of Harper? I am not afraid of him, he is an idiot and a bush dupe, that IS something to be afraid of.

God Bless Canada?

By John Chuckman
1-20-6

I hadn't realized until recently that Stephen Harper was using "God Bless Canada!" as a tagline for his speeches. Some may think this a harmless, or even beneficent, expression for a politician to use, but for those with knowledge of history, nothing could be a more frightening.

I do believe we all know to whom Harper is tipping his hat with these words. George Bush, author of two wars which have killed more than a hundred thousand innocent people and the champion of an ugly set of repressive laws in the United States, says "God Bless America!" every chance he gets.

Some might say Bush uses the line because he has nothing else to say, and I don't doubt this is part of the truth. But slogans of this kind are always used to protect dangerous people from criticism. The words are used also as code, a kind of insidious political wink, to bloodthirsty supporters, the Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell types. They says things that cannot be uttered in public.

Bush usually says it in front of a set of gigantic, eagle-topped American flags, reminiscent of nothing so much as the days when Germany's leader spoke and sputtered in front of platoons of monstrous, threatening flags.

Bush also always wears a prominently-placed American flag pin on his lapel, just in case you forget where he's from. I can never help thinking of the image of Hitler wearing his quiet Iron Cross on an otherwise plain, neatly-tailored uniform. Neatness and patriotism for the cameras instead of troops sloshing through human blood.

The belt buckle of the German legions which murdered their way across Europe were embossed with "Gott Mit Uns" (God With Us) over a fierce eagle grasping the swastika. This is only to say that there is a record in fairly recent history of the use of religious slogans in politics to cover horrors. I recall a photograph of American Marines, having illegally invaded Iraq, kneeling for a quick blessing before going out to kill more Iraqis in their own land.

Were I to dip further into European history, I would name the countless wars and persecutions in which God Bless Something Or Other! was invoked over the bodies of burning, bleeding, or broken victims.

Religion does not belong in public life, and Stephen Harper's efforts to drag it in says a great deal about him to those choosing to listen. This principle is as much a defense of freedom of religion as anything else: millions of Christians have been slain by other Christians over subtle differences of belief.

Religion in politics violates Canadians' traditional political civility. While God may be understood as a translation for Allah or Jehovah, the name is completely unsuitable for those embracing Buddhism or Hinduism or Humanism or no religion at all. This usage opens wounds where none need exist.

Even among today's Christians, God does not have the same meaning to everyone. To a Pat Robertson, God is someone who destroys communities with hurricanes when they fail to recognize the truth of Pat's preaching. Pat's God is also someone who sanctions the assassination of democratically-elected leaders who happen to oppose American policies.

And please, make no mistake, a core portion of Harper's Alberta-based party are people with just such views.

Not a lot of Canadians understand that a large portion of Alberta Crown land was taken up by Americans looking for farmland at the beginning of the Twentieth Century. There was a heavy in-migration of American attitudes from the province's beginning. This was reinforced by the development of oil and gas in the 1940s and 1950s, and has been reinforced further still with the recent development of the tarsands.

Look at the Alberta government's Internet site where Ralph Klein lists himself under the heading Executive Branch, a purely American expression not even applicable to parliamentary government. Look at Klein's ugly public outbursts which remind one of nothing so much as a Tom Delay or a Newt Gingrich.

Remind yourself of Harper's record of saying things like Alberta should build a firewall around itself, an American gated community on a grand scale. Look at the city of Calgary whose lighted glass blocks are positively eerie at night in a city which virtually empties to the suburbs at five or six o'clock, American-style. No street life, none of the flavor of Vancouver or Toronto or Montreal. A colony of dangerous Dallas.

Remind yourself that Harper strongly advocated Canada join America's illegal invasion of Iraq. Most disturbingly, Harper advocated this bloody policy, not on the basis of sharing Bush's dark beliefs, but on the basis of catering to Bush's favor over trade. Harper said, again and again, Canada should join an illegitimate war because it was what its major trading partner was doing. Blood for gold. You just can't take a lower ethical path. I'll take a ten-year old scandal anytime.

If Stephen Harper heads a minority government, you may be sure he will continue to show the kind of artificial restraint of language he has shown for much of the campaign. Does any critically-thinking Canadian believe this will continue if he succeeds in gaining a majority? He is already criticizing Canada's courts, a favorite activity of Texas's poisonous Tom Delay. One of Harper's senior advisors, Tom Flanagan, is an American ex-patriot bristling with the perspectives and attitudes of the Midwest where he was raised.

The United States is almost certainly the worst example possible in the advanced world of a civil and cohesive society. Canada's arguing between provinces seems civilized compared to the dangerous pressures in American society where a President can be impeached for a dribble on a dress or where a boy washed ashore can be kept from his loving father and home in the name of freedom. A place today where dissidents face arrest or spying and travel-bans or, at best, are told to get out if they don't like it. Only the drumbeat of jingoistic patriotism, reinforced with religious slogans, holds a people together who are full of conflict and anger over their country's activities and policies but feel almost powerless to change anything.

Canadians must think hard when voting. The nation has been prospering without Harper's policies and it has avoided at least one pointless war. In politics, you have to pick your battles carefully because no one party can represent all the issues about which you care. Peace and civility and dedication to broad human rights are priceless and may well be put at risk with a Harper majority.

[Dust Devil]

Canadians must think hard when voting.

I agree that's why people should consider these points before voting

http://www.torontosun.com/News/Election ... 1-sun.html

[shimmydampner]

That's funny, I thought all that Toronto media was supposed to be a bunch of dumb-ass Ontarian bleeding heart Liberal-slanted spin-spewing trash?

[mellow_pilot]

There are 7 parent corporations that own ALL print media in Canada. All of them are subject to corporate ownership's bias. Editors are chosen for their values and that's what makes it into print. If you can't see it when you read it, you're not actually reading.

Most media in Canada is owned by right-leaning people. Did no one notice that the conservatives had an incredibly higher rate of reporting than anyone else and that it was more often positive? The media focused on them for being the 'underdogs' then for being the 'new front-runners'. How much coverage did the green party get? Was the coverage of the other parties fair? The people who post here scream foul when aviation is reported on in the news media because of poor facts, bias and sensationalizing, almost without exception. If you think it only applies to reporting on our industry, I have a nice bridge to sell you.

[tellyourkidstogetarealjob]

There are 7 parent corporations that own ALL print media in Canada. All of them are subject to corporate ownership's bias. Editors are chosen for their values and that's what makes it into print. If you can't see it when you read it, you're not actually reading.

Most media in Canada is owned by right-leaning people.

That's a total fallacy. CanWest by itself controls over 30% of Canadian media and they were owned by (and still influenced by) Izzy Asper. Izzy is a known Liberal Party supporter and friend of Jean Chretien.

The only right-wing daily paper this country ever had (in recent history) was The National Post and it was quickly castrated when CanWest got their hands on it.

Calling the CBC right-leaning is beyond a joke. Not for nothing do some call it the, 'Communist Broadcasting Corporation'.

Media editors are like fasion designers, politicians, and movie makers. They will run with a trend. At the moment they can smell the public disgust with the Liberals so they've largely dumped them.

However, they know which side their bread is buttered on so you can bet they'll be loyal lapdogs again in time for the next election.

As a footnote, even now the media can't completely hide their loyalties.

Recently it was recently reported Stephen Harper addressed, a couple of years ago, a Vancouver-based secular Chinese-Canadian group that supports family values. The local Liberal candidate took the opportunity to make allusions to the "secret agenda". The reporter never asked the Liberal if he was a racist prick.

I suspect if the tables were turned and Harper had made a comment regarding Martin, or any other Liberal, addressing a Chinese-Canadian group they would been all over him as a bigot.

[Seafury]

You sound anti gun to me.

Show me one anti gun post that I have made on this forum?

Took your statement that "we don't have the right to own a gun" as your position on firearm ownership. I appologize for coming to the wrong conclusion.

[shimmydampner]

There are 7 parent corporations that own ALL print media in Canada. All of them are subject to corporate ownership's bias. Editors are chosen for their values and that's what makes it into print. If you can't see it when you read it, you're not actually reading.

Most media in Canada is owned by right-leaning people. Did no one notice that the conservatives had an incredibly higher rate of reporting than anyone else and that it was more often positive? The media focused on them for being the 'underdogs' then for being the 'new front-runners'. How much coverage did the green party get? Was the coverage of the other parties fair? The people who post here scream foul when aviation is reported on in the news media because of poor facts, bias and sensationalizing, almost without exception. If you think it only applies to reporting on our industry, I have a nice bridge to sell you.

I guess you couldn't pick up on the fact that that post was meant to be dripping in sarcasm.

[Seafury]

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If the Conservatives have a hidden agenda why doesn't Belinda whats her name let us all know what it is. She was shagging Peter and should know what was in the minds of the Torry elite. I'll tell you who has had the hidden agenda, the Liberals. If you can't see it there likely isn't much hope for you anyway.

Someone posted why am I "afraid" of Harper? I am not afraid of him, he is an idiot and a bush dupe, that IS something to be afraid of.

God Bless Canada?

By John Chuckman
1-20-6

I hadn't realized until recently that Stephen Harper was using "God Bless Canada!" as a tagline for his speeches. Some may think this a harmless, or even beneficent, expression for a politician to use, but for those with knowledge of history, nothing could be a more frightening.

I do believe we all know to whom Harper is tipping his hat with these words. George Bush, author of two wars which have killed more than a hundred thousand innocent people and the champion of an ugly set of repressive laws in the United States, says "God Bless America!" every chance he gets.

Some might say Bush uses the line because he has nothing else to say, and I don't doubt this is part of the truth. But slogans of this kind are always used to protect dangerous people from criticism. The words are used also as code, a kind of insidious political wink, to bloodthirsty supporters, the Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell types. They says things that cannot be uttered in public.

Bush usually says it in front of a set of gigantic, eagle-topped American flags, reminiscent of nothing so much as the days when Germany's leader spoke and sputtered in front of platoons of monstrous, threatening flags.

Bush also always wears a prominently-placed American flag pin on his lapel, just in case you forget where he's from. I can never help thinking of the image of Hitler wearing his quiet Iron Cross on an otherwise plain, neatly-tailored uniform. Neatness and patriotism for the cameras instead of troops sloshing through human blood.

The belt buckle of the German legions which murdered their way across Europe were embossed with "Gott Mit Uns" (God With Us) over a fierce eagle grasping the swastika. This is only to say that there is a record in fairly recent history of the use of religious slogans in politics to cover horrors. I recall a photograph of American Marines, having illegally invaded Iraq, kneeling for a quick blessing before going out to kill more Iraqis in their own land.

Were I to dip further into European history, I would name the countless wars and persecutions in which God Bless Something Or Other! was invoked over the bodies of burning, bleeding, or broken victims.

Religion does not belong in public life, and Stephen Harper's efforts to drag it in says a great deal about him to those choosing to listen. This principle is as much a defense of freedom of religion as anything else: millions of Christians have been slain by other Christians over subtle differences of belief.

Religion in politics violates Canadians' traditional political civility. While God may be understood as a translation for Allah or Jehovah, the name is completely unsuitable for those embracing Buddhism or Hinduism or Humanism or no religion at all. This usage opens wounds where none need exist.

Even among today's Christians, God does not have the same meaning to everyone. To a Pat Robertson, God is someone who destroys communities with hurricanes when they fail to recognize the truth of Pat's preaching. Pat's God is also someone who sanctions the assassination of democratically-elected leaders who happen to oppose American policies.

And please, make no mistake, a core portion of Harper's Alberta-based party are people with just such views.

Not a lot of Canadians understand that a large portion of Alberta Crown land was taken up by Americans looking for farmland at the beginning of the Twentieth Century. There was a heavy in-migration of American attitudes from the province's beginning. This was reinforced by the development of oil and gas in the 1940s and 1950s, and has been reinforced further still with the recent development of the tarsands.

Look at the Alberta government's Internet site where Ralph Klein lists himself under the heading Executive Branch, a purely American expression not even applicable to parliamentary government. Look at Klein's ugly public outbursts which remind one of nothing so much as a Tom Delay or a Newt Gingrich.

Remind yourself of Harper's record of saying things like Alberta should build a firewall around itself, an American gated community on a grand scale. Look at the city of Calgary whose lighted glass blocks are positively eerie at night in a city which virtually empties to the suburbs at five or six o'clock, American-style. No street life, none of the flavor of Vancouver or Toronto or Montreal. A colony of dangerous Dallas.

Remind yourself that Harper strongly advocated Canada join America's illegal invasion of Iraq. Most disturbingly, Harper advocated this bloody policy, not on the basis of sharing Bush's dark beliefs, but on the basis of catering to Bush's favor over trade. Harper said, again and again, Canada should join an illegitimate war because it was what its major trading partner was doing. Blood for gold. You just can't take a lower ethical path. I'll take a ten-year old scandal anytime.

If Stephen Harper heads a minority government, you may be sure he will continue to show the kind of artificial restraint of language he has shown for much of the campaign. Does any critically-thinking Canadian believe this will continue if he succeeds in gaining a majority? He is already criticizing Canada's courts, a favorite activity of Texas's poisonous Tom Delay. One of Harper's senior advisors, Tom Flanagan, is an American ex-patriot bristling with the perspectives and attitudes of the Midwest where he was raised.

The United States is almost certainly the worst example possible in the advanced world of a civil and cohesive society. Canada's arguing between provinces seems civilized compared to the dangerous pressures in American society where a President can be impeached for a dribble on a dress or where a boy washed ashore can be kept from his loving father and home in the name of freedom. A place today where dissidents face arrest or spying and travel-bans or, at best, are told to get out if they don't like it. Only the drumbeat of jingoistic patriotism, reinforced with religious slogans, holds a people together who are full of conflict and anger over their country's activities and policies but feel almost powerless to change anything.

Canadians must think hard when voting. The nation has been prospering without Harper's policies and it has avoided at least one pointless war. In politics, you have to pick your battles carefully because no one party can represent all the issues about which you care. Peace and civility and dedication to broad human rights are priceless and may well be put at risk with a Harper majority.

I'm not a religeous person. It does not offend me that others are and I don't see anything wrong with having values. I don't believe for a second Harper is going to enact religeous fundamentalist laws. He'd lose the next election if he did. Westerners won't stand for it. Only a small percentage of the Conservative movement is made up by these fringe elements.

I don't believe in injection clinics and free Heroin as illegal drug use is just that. These people should be arrested and dried out. Tough love.

I don't agree with gay marriage because in my mind two men can't be married. Doesn't mean I hate or want to do harm to them, they just can't have what my wife and I have. They need a different term. I feel my rights have been ignored on this issue. Martin has cheapened the meaning of marriage by including sexual deviance in it.

I don't mind giving a hand up but resent giving a hand out. We seem to encourage people to become reliant on the system. We should encourage them to get off of it.

I'm anti abortion and at the same time I respect a womans right to choose. It's not a form of birth control. It should be available but not encouraged. If it is outlawed it will end up in the alleys and back rooms again.

I don't want to be Holland. I don't think the people who founded this country including my great grand parents envisioned the direction we are headed. Canada was built on hard work not on social programs. We had very strong moral and ethical values at one time. If changing that is progression count me out.

As much as I don't like George W and am aware he is a right wing christian freak show he may just be the right man for the time. The western world is at war with terrorism and since the invasion of Iraq, (legal or not) there have been no attacks on western soil. Innocent bystanders are always killed in war unfortunately but at least they are not ours. We do have combat troops in Afghanistan. The Liberals put them there.

Thumbing our noses at the United States might give some of us a warm fuzzy but really won't help us solve our trade issues. They are our next door neighbors and friends. They would be here in two seconds to help us if we needed them. (Only for the water and oil, right?) The United States gives more foreign aid than any country in the world and were on the ground supplying food and water day 2 after the tsunami while everyone else was pledging financial help. A lot of those countries are Muslim by the way.

Making comparison between Bush and Hitler is ridiculous.
Calling Harper an idiot next to Martin and Layton is ridiculous.
Continuing to support the Liberal Mafia is ridiculous.
Supporting Kyoto is ridiculous.
Banning legally owned handguns is ridiculous and it will cost a fortune. There is to my understanding $600,000,000 unacounted for in the gun registry. I'd like to see Sheila Fraser turned loose on that one for a while. I'd bet some of that money ended up in the pockets of the Liberal elite. Thats what they think you and I are here for. To make them even wealthier.

[shimmydampner]

I'm not a religeous person. It does not offend me that others are and I don't see anything wrong with having values. I don't believe for a second Harper is going to enact religeous fundamentalist laws.

You're probably right, but he will attempt to pass laws based on his own personal religious views which there is no place for in this country. Separation of church and state. Check your beliefs at the House door.

I don't agree with gay marriage because in my mind two men can't be married. Doesn't mean I hate or want to do harm to them, they just can't have what my wife and I have. They need a different term. I feel my rights have been ignored on this issue. Martin has cheapened the meaning of marriage by including sexual deviance in it.

You don't hate them but they're sexual deviants? OK. Well, regardless, the meaning of marriage has been cheapened long before homosexual marriage was allowed. Taken a look at the divorce rates for the past 20 years lately?

I don't want to be Holland. I don't think the people who founded this country including my great grand parents envisioned the direction we are headed. Canada was built on hard work not on social programs. We had very strong moral and ethical values at one time. If changing that is progression count me out.

Holland is a fantastic place to live. Why can't hard work and social programs co-exist?

As much as I don't like George W and am aware he is a right wing christian freak show he may just be the right man for the time. The western world is at war with terrorism and since the invasion of Iraq, (legal or not) there have been no attacks on western soil. Innocent bystanders are always killed in war unfortunately but at least they are not ours. We do have combat troops in Afghanistan. The Liberals put them there.

The level of civilians killed in Iraq is a little more than what you could simply term "innocent bystanders." Just because there have been no attacks in North America means nothing. Europe has not been so fortunate. There will be more attacks in North America eventually. Bush has done nothing to slow the spread of terrorism. In fact he has been their best recruiter.

Thumbing our noses at the United States might give some of us a warm fuzzy but really won't help us solve our trade issues. They are our next door neighbors and friends. They would be here in two seconds to help us if we needed them. (Only for the water and oil, right?) The United States gives more foreign aid than any country in the world and were on the ground supplying food and water day 2 after the tsunami while everyone else was pledging financial help. A lot of those countries are Muslim by the way.

The only thing that will help us resolve our trade issues with the US is if they start to abide by international law which they do not. Sure they would help us out if we needed it. The same way that we helped them out during 9/11. Hey, they give more foreign aid than any other country? Great, after all, they should since they're the richest most affluent nation in the world. Besides, when you look at it as a percentage of their GDP and compare it with something like....oh....let's say....defence expenditures, it's much less impressive than it sounds.

[cyyz]

There will be more attacks in North America eventually. Bush has done nothing to slow the spread of terrorism. In fact he has been their best recruiter.

So we'll just Nuke the ME if they're all willing to sign up and not turn the bad apples in...

[Seafury]

I'm not a religeous person. It does not offend me that others are and I don't see anything wrong with having values. I don't believe for a second Harper is going to enact religeous fundamentalist laws.

You're probably right, but he will attempt to pass laws based on his own personal religious views which there is no place for in this country. Separation of church and state. Check your beliefs at the House door.

Just what are they? He lives a mile from here and I'm not aware of the right wing evangelical principals. You've been listening to too much Liberal propoganda.

I don't agree with gay marriage because in my mind two men can't be married. Doesn't mean I hate or want to do harm to them, they just can't have what my wife and I have. They need a different term. I feel my rights have been ignored on this issue. Martin has cheapened the meaning of marriage by including sexual deviance in it.

You don't hate them but they're sexual deviants? OK. Well, regardless, the meaning of marriage has been cheapened long before homosexual marriage was allowed. Taken a look at the divorce rates for the past 20 years lately?

I don't hate them I pitty them. Don't tell me if your son came home with a boyfriend you'd be thrilled.

I don't want to be Holland. I don't think the people who founded this country including my great grand parents envisioned the direction we are headed. Canada was built on hard work not on social programs. We had very strong moral and ethical values at one time. If changing that is progression count me out.

Holland is a fantastic place to live. Why can't hard work and social programs co-exist?

Amsterdam is one hell of a party town right? Their tax rates are staggering to support the dope and sex.

As much as I don't like George W and am aware he is a right wing christian freak show he may just be the right man for the time. The western world is at war with terrorism and since the invasion of Iraq, (legal or not) there have been no attacks on western soil. Innocent bystanders are always killed in war unfortunately but at least they are not ours. We do have combat troops in Afghanistan. The Liberals put them there.

The level of civilians killed in Iraq is a little more than what you could simply term "innocent bystanders." Just because there have been no attacks in North America means nothing. Europe has not been so fortunate. There will be more attacks in North America eventually. Bush has done nothing to slow the spread of terrorism. In fact he has been their best recruiter.

Yeah and they don't wear uniforms so it's hard to tell who is who.

Thumbing our noses at the United States might give some of us a warm fuzzy but really won't help us solve our trade issues. They are our next door neighbors and friends. They would be here in two seconds to help us if we needed them. (Only for the water and oil, right?) The United States gives more foreign aid than any country in the world and were on the ground supplying food and water day 2 after the tsunami while everyone else was pledging financial help. A lot of those countries are Muslim by the way.

The only thing that will help us resolve our trade issues with the US is if they start to abide by international law which they do not. Sure they would help us out if we needed it. The same way that we helped them out during 9/11. Hey, they give more foreign aid than any other country? Great, after all, they should since they're the richest most affluent nation in the world. Besides, when you look at it as a percentage of their GDP and compare it with something like....oh....let's say....defence expenditures, it's much less impressive than it sounds.

Typical socialist thinks that those who have should give it all to those who don't. Lose the hat. You look like one of the village people.

[ScudRunner]

Enough with the quoting!!! Oh and a Conservative government Sweet I get to keep my peice !!!!! Which way to the bank?

[cyyz]

Enough with the quoting!!! Oh and a Conservative government Sweet I get to keep my peice !!!!! Which way to the bank?

ROFL... Now that we have the cons in power, I'll have more money in the bank, you don't need to steal scuddy...

[Dust Devil]

I'm not a religeous person. It does not offend me that others are and I don't see anything wrong with having values. I don't believe for a second Harper is going to enact religeous fundamentalist laws.

You're probably right, but he will attempt to pass laws based on his own personal religious views which there is no place for in this country. Separation of church and state. Check your beliefs at the House door.

Just what are they? He lives a mile from here and I'm not aware of the right wing evangelical principals. You've been listening to too much Liberal propoganda.

I don't agree with gay marriage because in my mind two men can't be married. Doesn't mean I hate or want to do harm to them, they just can't have what my wife and I have. They need a different term. I feel my rights have been ignored on this issue. Martin has cheapened the meaning of marriage by including sexual deviance in it.

You don't hate them but they're sexual deviants? OK. Well, regardless, the meaning of marriage has been cheapened long before homosexual marriage was allowed. Taken a look at the divorce rates for the past 20 years lately?

I don't hate them I pitty them. Don't tell me if your son came home with a boyfriend you'd be thrilled.

I don't want to be Holland. I don't think the people who founded this country including my great grand parents envisioned the direction we are headed. Canada was built on hard work not on social programs. We had very strong moral and ethical values at one time. If changing that is progression count me out.

Holland is a fantastic place to live. Why can't hard work and social programs co-exist?

Amsterdam is one hell of a party town right? Their tax rates are staggering to support the dope and sex.

As much as I don't like George W and am aware he is a right wing christian freak show he may just be the right man for the time. The western world is at war with terrorism and since the invasion of Iraq, (legal or not) there have been no attacks on western soil. Innocent bystanders are always killed in war unfortunately but at least they are not ours. We do have combat troops in Afghanistan. The Liberals put them there.

The level of civilians killed in Iraq is a little more than what you could simply term "innocent bystanders." Just because there have been no attacks in North America means nothing. Europe has not been so fortunate. There will be more attacks in North America eventually. Bush has done nothing to slow the spread of terrorism. In fact he has been their best recruiter.

Yeah and they don't wear uniforms so it's hard to tell who is who.

Thumbing our noses at the United States might give some of us a warm fuzzy but really won't help us solve our trade issues. They are our next door neighbors and friends. They would be here in two seconds to help us if we needed them. (Only for the water and oil, right?) The United States gives more foreign aid than any country in the world and were on the ground supplying food and water day 2 after the tsunami while everyone else was pledging financial help. A lot of those countries are Muslim by the way.

The only thing that will help us resolve our trade issues with the US is if they start to abide by international law which they do not. Sure they would help us out if we needed it. The same way that we helped them out during 9/11. Hey, they give more foreign aid than any other country? Great, after all, they should since they're the richest most affluent nation in the world. Besides, when you look at it as a percentage of their GDP and compare it with something like....oh....let's say....defence expenditures, it's much less impressive than it sounds.

Typical socialist thinks that those who have should give it all to those who don't. Lose the hat. You look like one of the village people.

I feel the need to quote. come on keep quoting lets see if this can break the person below me thread.

[Canus Chinookus]

guns don't kill people, I kill people.