Air Canada Pay

trythis · Post by **trythis** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 11:57 am

I know this has been discussed but I'd like to know what the take home pay looks like - i.e. during training and once on line starting out. Thanks.

Flightlevels · Post by **Flightlevels** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 4:24 pm

800 one pay the other is around 13-1400

trythis · Post by **trythis** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 9:57 am

Does that include per diem? and if not what r the average? and if you bid a commuters schedule and you're junior what's the best bet for stretches of days off?

thanks, trying to do some planning

The Hammer · Post by **The Hammer** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 11:38 am

Is that pay for this week or next week??? With the downward spiral of aviation wages you better check cause it drops by the week nowadays

Three Holer · Post by **Three Holer** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 12:48 pm

Ouch! You guys sure will have to get creative spending all that money based in YYZ!

trythis · Post by **trythis** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 10:02 pm

well I think it's well worth the sacrifice, and luckily I am able and willing to do it at this time - call me in 5 years and you can laugh at my paycheque then I guess. Short term pain...

seejayA · Post by **seejayA** » Sat Jan 21, 2006 10:16 pm

You want my Atlantic Superstore gift certificates?

mav613 · Post by **mav613** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 10:58 am

Geez...what happen to the days where - pretty much anyone of us were willing to fly for free ...or food (And I am NOT meaning to suggest we should, quite the contrary!) I just wonder where that kind of enthusiam has gone for so many of us who are so close to finally realizing 'The Dream' we had when we first started this flying gig?!?!? Just food for thought..take it or leave it...

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:15 pm

"I just wonder where that kind of enthusiam has gone for so many of us who are so close to finally realizing 'The Dream' we had when we first started this flying gig?!?!? Just food for thought..take it or leave it"

... 10 years in this industry has taken some of the shine out of the dream. Reality is setting in, and working for peanuts is getting harder and harder to swallow. At least I can make the jump now, but with a family on a single income, it must be a bitch.

Cheers.

Bede · Post by **Bede** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 4:22 pm

I don't live in Toronto, but I find the money for the RS at Jazz is more than enought to raise my family. (I do live cheaply though). I'm finding I'm making as much as I was before I left ($50K) with all the perdiems, shoe allowances, etc. I pay much less taxes, and the tax free per diems make up for it. No regrets what so ever.

metal overcast · Post by **metal overcast** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 4:29 pm

Hey KAG you said a mouth full.
I've had to start over 3 times in the last 6 years.
Real hard to stay positive.

Hadji Ramjet · Post by **Hadji Ramjet** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 4:29 pm

What was this "dream" of which you so fondly speak? Was it really to fly, or merely to work for a major carrier where you could bid such that you can make as much money as you can while flying as little as you can? There's lots of opportunities to fly, if that's the "dream." Two tents over is a fellow who started flying in Vietnam, turned in his commission as a Major to reup as a Warrant to stay in the cockpit, has been flying ever since. There's not a single military rotary pilot in Canada, and precious few in America, with his experience, he's still living his "dream" and will be until they kick him out or he craters. Sacrifice? Oh wow, talk to the "RJ" pilots who do 24 hour sorties with ACs who make less than some Air Canada FOs. Or the Dragon Lady drivers doing 300 days a year away from home, and wouldn't trade you in a second.

Is your "dream" to make money, or to fly? They might be mutually exclusive objectives.

Santi · Post by **Santi** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 9:46 pm

Bede,

Thanks for that info - I bet there's lots of people who will be heartened to hear comments like yours. I had put crayon to paper and figured out some scenarios prior to accepting the job and it's good to hear it should work out.

About "the dream". I don't know what motivates other people to fly but I think it's a ton of fun. Sometimes the lifestyle stinks, sometimes the plane stinks and sometimes the money stinks - heck, sometimes everything stinks. I think the shine comes off many things in life as one goes through it. The things that attracted you to your version of "the dream" still exist though - ya just gotta pay attention during the times when they show up. Obviously they're different things for Hadji, for KAG and for everyone else and that's okay.

Keep your head up and pay attention for what
you like about the career. Might find that the dream shines up pretty good sometimes.

Cheers

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 11:19 pm

Bede, what base do you fly out of? What are your houseing costs?

Don't get me wrong I still love flying, couldn't see me doing anything else, and I certinally didnt become a pilot to get rich. I got used to a decent paycheck and my lifestyle reflected it. Going back in pay is going to hurt, but short term pain, long term gain. I guess im gonna have to learn to budget better...

Cheers.

flyboy1234 · Post by **flyboy1234** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:48 am

Hey everyone, I just read on another thread that if you are hired on the emb, you dont get per diems. Any truth to this? If you go as RP instead do you get per diems? This is getting confusing. Jaques, can you shed any light on this? Thanks

Lost in Saigon · Post by **Lost in Saigon** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:02 am

You do get perdiems on the EMJ.

But as on any aircraft at Air Canada, when they board a crew meal for you, you are NOT paid.

EMJ's have no ovens so you don't get a hot meal. On any other aircraft you would be able to claim a meal perdiem if there was not hotmeal.

BUT, ACAP agreed to cold meals meals as one of the many concessions they have been asked to take recently.

The kicker is that CUPE did not agree, so F/A's get to claim full meals during their duty day.

On the layover at the hotel you get to claim the normal meal allowances.

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 6:43 am

Saigon has it right.

I don't know why people are saying that you don't get per diem on the Embraer. It is the exact same as any other airplane or position with the exception of ovens. So instead of getting some over cooked slab of leather filled with preservatives that usually cannot be identified, you get a cold meat plate usually with an assortment of salads and cheeses.

Much healthier. A meal is boarded if you are flying over a meal time, otherwise, you are paid per diem just like on any other aircraft. You can expect on average $500/month in per diem unless you do nothing but turn arounds.

The F/A's rejected the deal so nothing is boarded for them at all and they have to run into the terminal and pay 20 bucks for a day old tuna sandwich. That is why their per diem cheque is higher at the end of the month.

Hope that clears it up.

flyboy1234 · Post by **flyboy1234** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 7:23 am

Thanks guys, so apart from that, are there any more RP positions coming open or is it all still embraer. Thanks

Lost in Saigon · Post by **Lost in Saigon** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 8:00 am

It is pretty hard to predict which positions will be available.

I would expect that there will be some RP positions available but you never know when they will show up. The majority of newhire positions will always be EMJ FO.

In the future you might see RP positions for 767, A340, and even 777.

AND........ They are still trying to figure out a way to put newhires on the A320! The Position Group LOU currently does not allow it.

flyboy1234 · Post by **flyboy1234** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 9:26 am

Thanks for the info, wow possible 320, how many vacancies are there on the bus after this last equipment bid? And if they aren't getting filled what is the solution if LOU prohibits newhires from bidding said position?

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 11:35 am

flyboy1234

I am not sure of how many vacancies there are on the 320 F/O list but I can't even fathom why ACPA is even listening to the company request to put new hires there. The only way that should be allowed is if the pay group is dissolved. Once again the company is hoist on their own petar and now want help to get out of it.

Put it this way, an A320 F/O position is outside the pay group pay so if a new hire was put in that position tomorrow, after the 2 year flat salary was over he would launch directly into formula pay making more money than several hundred senior pilots hired or recalled in the past year who are in the pay group on a junior aircraft. Everyone junior to that pilot should be allowed to pay claim that position.

flyboy1234 · Post by **flyboy1234** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:12 pm

That's pretty much what I figured. In my opinion, new hires should not be offered the bus for just that reason.

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