Canadian Values

Special K · Post by **Special K** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 9:01 am

The following commentary was e-mailed to me by a 20 year old attending community college. It does speak volumes of how many young adults feel. This to me could be misinterpreted as racism rearing its ugly head, but her comments do hold some credence as to how we at times feel pressure not to demonstrate our own values and beliefs in attempting to be diplomatic and tolerant. The positive aspect to her comments is she is exercising her democratic right to express her opinion and tells me she believes in this great land and has some understanding were her roots are planted.

O CANADA……………………………………………………Claude

Will we still be the Country of choice and still be Canada if we continue to make the changes forced on us by the people from other countries that came to live in Canada because it is the Country of Choice??????

Think about it!

All we have to say is, when will they do something about MY RIGHTS?

I celebrate Christmas...........but because it isn't celebrated by everyone..............we can no longer say Merry Christmas. Now it has to be Season's Greetings.

It's not Christmas vacation, it's Winter Break. Isn't it amazing how this winter break ALWAYS occurs over the Christmas holiday?

We've gone so far the other way, bent over backwards to not offend anyone, that I am now being offended. But it seems that no one has a problem with that.
This says it all!

· This is an editorial written in a
Toronto newspaper. He did quite a job; didn't he? Read on, please!

IMMIGRANTS,
NOT Canadians
MUST ADAPT.
I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we
Are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11,
we have experienced a surge
in patriotism by the majority
of Canadians. However...... the dust from the attacks had
barely settled when the "politically correct! " crowd began complaining about
the possibility that our patriotism was offending others.

I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Canada
Our population is almost entirely made up of descendants of immigrants.
However, there
are a few things that those
who have recently come to
our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.
This idea of Canada being a
multicultural community
has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Canadians.......
we have our own culture, our
own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.

We speak ENGLISH/FRENCH, not Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language.
Therefore, if you wish to become part
of our society, learn the language!
"We Stand On Guard For Thee" is our national motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan.. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women.......on Christian principles.............
founded this nation..... and this is clearly documented.
It is certainly appropriate to display it
on the walls of our schools.
If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as
your new home.........because
God is part of our culture.

We
are happy with our culture and have
no desire to change, and we really
don't care how you did things where
you came from.
This is
OUR COUNTRY,
our land, and our lifestyle.
But once you are done complaining....... whining...... and griping....... about our flag.......
our pledge...... our national motto........or our
way of life....I highly encourage you to
take advantage of one other Great Canadian Freedom.......

THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.

It is Time for Canada to Speak up
If you agree -- pass this along;
if you don't agree -- delete it!

AMEN

I figure if we all keep passing this to our friends
(and enemies) it will also, sooner or later
get back to the complainers, lets all try,
please

I got this in an email from a friend. I was pretty sure it might be a good topic of discussion.

CYA
K

CID · Post by **CID** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 9:15 am

This idea of Canada being a multicultural community
has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Canadians.......

We agree.

Signed: The First Nations Peoples.

P.S. Get off our land!

Concestor 0 · Post by **Concestor 0** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 9:37 am

Maybe you are referring to the USA?

You don't get it do you. Our constitution is most definitely not a white/christian sanctuary. The rights and freedoms our constitution protects is more than enough to foster the society I think you want. Have a little faith and I'm sure you'll be happy with the result.

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:04 am

CID wrote: Signed: The First Nations Peoples.

P.S. Get off our land!

ROFL... <HAHAHA>

niss · Post by **niss** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:33 am

I agree with exeption to the whole God in schools bit, I believe that seperating religion from state must be held to the T. I as a Jew do not like religious propaganda being prostituted to me (take that Johos and Mormans!) but that said I have no problem with christmas tree, merry christmas or any other stuff. If you say merry christmas to someone and they are offended kindly apologise and move on. I know that I would be some kind of pissed if someone decided we must call a Hannukia (menorah) Holiday candle sticks.

"Thank The Lord? That sounded like a prayer! A prayer in a public school? GOD HAS NO PLACE WITHIN THESE WALLS!!!" - Superintendant Chalmers (sp?)

Edo · Post by **Edo** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:53 am

This has been going around for some time. I think it was originally written IN the US and someone just changed a few words but this does not make sense

[quote=]
"We Stand On Guard For Thee" is our national motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan.. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women.......on Christian principles.............
founded this nation..... and this is clearly documented.
It is certainly appropriate to display it
on the walls of our schools.
If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as
your new home.........because
God is part of our culture.
[/quote]

substitute "In God we Trust" in the first line and re-read.

Makes more sense doesn't it?

Don't but into cheep regurgitated, plagiarised BS

N2 · Post by N2 » Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:56 am

You will never stop me from wishing someone a "Merry Christmas" or saying the lords prayer whenever and wherever I feel like it....so to all those who find these things offensive...UP YOURS!

heavymetal · Post by **heavymetal** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:21 pm

Superintendant Chalmers (sp?)

I have it on good authority it is spelled Supernintendo Chalmers.

Duder · Post by **Duder** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:56 pm

I may be wrong but I think Canada's motto is "From Sea to Sea"
"We stand on guard for thee" is just a line from our national anthem.

hazatude · Post by **hazatude** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:07 pm

Canada's official motto is, "Haza rocks from sea to sea". It's in Latin though and I can't be bothered to translate.

Vickers vanguard · Post by **Vickers vanguard** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:32 pm

CID wrote:
This idea of Canada being a multicultural community
has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Canadians.......
We agree.

Signed: The First Nations Peoples.

P.S. Get off our land!

that was a good one

Vickers vanguard · Post by **Vickers vanguard** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:37 pm

niss wrote:I agree with exeption to the whole God in schools bit, I believe that seperating religion from state must be held to the T. I as a Jew do not like religious propaganda being prostituted to me (take that Johos and Mormans!) but that said I have no problem with christmas tree, merry christmas or any other stuff. If you say merry christmas to someone and they are offended kindly apologise and move on. I know that I would be some kind of pissed if someone decided we must call a Hannukia (menorah) Holiday candle sticks.

"Thank The Lord? That sounded like a prayer! A prayer in a public school? GOD HAS NO PLACE WITHIN THESE WALLS!!!" - Superintendant Chalmers (sp?)

very well said sir..............

Vickers vanguard · Post by **Vickers vanguard** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:40 pm

by the way, if you are offended because someone told you : merry christmas !............. you better go get checked by a shrink ! it's just words for god's sake.

Walker · Post by **Walker** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:29 pm

meh, who cares; insulting a few whities wont ruin my day...

monkeyspankmasterflex · Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:08 pm

Busted by Edo. Well done sir.

LH · Post by LH » Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:41 am

Special K --------thank-you sir because that says it all for me right down to the last word, period and comma..........AND I don't give a shit if it was borrowed from the Outer Mongolians.

Just like people who visit or come to live with us in our home.........this is the way we live........and if you don't like it and can't obey the rules of the house, I respect that....but please comply with them out of respect for us in our home or we'll be forced to escort you out. Keep in mine also as you leave that we accord you and expect you to do the same in your home. Thank you for coming and I trust you understand our feelings......no insult intended.

All mention of religion or observing of religious holidays in schools? Okay then, in my wife's school there would be no time-off for teachers/students for Christmas, Ukrainian Christmas, Ramadan, Hanukah(sp?) or any other religious holidays for teachers/students whatsoever. Wear your Kirpan to school and state that it is part of your religion to wear it and it will not be allowed either because we allow no knives to be carried within our schools and it's a religious symbol also. There.......that was easy. Next!

klintph · Post by **klintph** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:19 am

I think immigrants (like me, I celebrate Christmas im Catholic) should be the one to adjust in the society and the way of life of Canadians, I mean nobody forced me to be here this is a decision Ive made personally, so I should be the one to adjust not the other way around as long as nobody treats me as if Im a no good person because of the color of my skin or the way I look

Siddley Hawker · Post by **Siddley Hawker** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:04 am

hazatude wrote:Canada's official motto is, "Haza rocks from sea to sea". It's in Latin though and I can't be bothered to translate.

"Haza rockus ad mare usque mari."

BTD · Post by **BTD** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:47 am

School and religion should be kept seperate. Giving time off for a religious holiday is not bringing religion into the schools. It is recognizing that holidays do exist and allowing everyone time off to go celebrate whatever holiday it is they celebrate, however they choose. For those that don't celebrate anything they can do what they want with the time off having the same opportunities as everyone else.

I personally don't think a student or teacher wearing something from their religion to school is a bad thing. They are bringing those items to school for their own beliefs. But when the school starts bringing things to the students, that is wrong. Unless you can cover the ideals of every single religion in history (which isn't possible) and also cover not having a religion at all, you shouldn't be exposed to it through the public educational process.

Thats what religious gatherings (eg. church) are for.

BTD · Post by **BTD** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:48 am

Oh yeah; the First Nations comment. Pure gold

niss · Post by **niss** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:06 pm

When I was a kid for the longest time i thought it was "We stand on GOD for thee." I was just sitting there trying to figure out how in the blue @#$! we were going to stand on God! lol

Floats · Post by **Floats** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:31 pm

How bout,

First Nations, stop whining, get a fuckin job and start paying taxes

LH · Post by LH » Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:30 am

BTD -----you and I know very well what Christmas is in celebratio of and holding Christmas concerts in the schools in celebration of that event is not bringing into the schools? What about those immigrants who are not Christians and are offended? There are all sorts of holidays and I'm aware of no religion that celebrates anything during the Christan Christmas period, so what are they celebrating? Is not the "bringing" of the celebration of a Christain religious deity's birth to school something that's "brought to the students"? I believe one could say that "most students are "exposed to Christmas" at Christmas concerts in their schools and other classroom celebrations concerning it.

If my children at school in Canada, at anytime, anywhere, were to arrive in their school wearing a 6" knife they would be told to leave, my wife and I would be called and asked in for a meeting and there be some serious shit "go down". In my city I am not allowed to wear a knife within the confines of the city and that should apply to everyone. If I attend court for ANY reason, I am not allowed to wear ANY a 6" knife and I'll be escorted out of the building by police if one is found on me. While they are escorting me out of that courtroom, I may well be escorted past someone entering the same room and wearing a 6" knife and they are allowed to do so. It is also the belief of the Mormon Church that they are allowed to have more than one wife, therefore that makes that a religious belief and it should be honoured, respected and allowed. If one religion is allowed to wear a 6" knife because we wish to respect their religion, then what about the Mormons........why not them also or don't they deserve the same respect for some reason?

Canada was founded with certain beliefs held by the majority of the people. Not all, but the vast majority of those beliefs are still the "norm" for present-day Canadians. We believe that the laws of the country should apply to ALL Canadians equally and with no exceptions as to wealth, sex, colour, race, religion or creed and we are appalled and outraged when they do not.........and that makes us "intolerant"? In "my world" everyone gets to wear a 6" knife whenever and wherever they want or NOBODY is allowed to wear one. In "my world" everyone gets to have as many wives as they wish to have or NOBODY is allowed to have more than one wife. Those are my beliefs, yet if I voice them, I'm liable to be called "intolerant" or a borderline "racist" by some immigrant group because I expect everyone to be treated equally under the law. To me, if you wear a 6" knife into a courtroom, you will be escorted out, told to remove it into the custody of an Officer of the Court and told we respect your religion, but the same rules apply in courtrooms for ALL Canadians.

Nightshiftzombie · Post by **Nightshiftzombie** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:53 am

Can anyone tell me at what point "Canadian Values" were carved into stone. It seems to me that immigrants have been changing our society and values since Samuel de Champlain first parked his ass in North America ( I'm no expert on before that but I bet it was true then also).
65 years ago lots of people seemed to think it was a pretty important "Canadian Value" to go to war any time Britain asked. It might be that I'm just not a good enough Canadian but I don't think I'd volenteer to go to Basra just because the Queen asked me to.
So hopfully in another 65 years it will be a "Canadian Value" to burn down the local WalMart as soon as the X-mas decorations go up.

costermonger · Post by **costermonger** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 6:06 am

Claiming to represent "Canadian Values" is just a way to cloak your own values in nationalism. You want to make it known that you're offended by tolerance or acceptance, fine, but cut the crap about speaking for the rest of us. I think it's rediculous that some people don't want to hear "Merry Christmas" but you know what? I don't get worked up about it because in the end it's really not a big deal. It's just a word.

LH said:

"There are all sorts of holidays and I'm aware of no religion that celebrates anything during the Christan Christmas period, so what are they celebrating?"

Are you claiming that Christianity is the only religion that has holidays/celebrations around the end of December? If you are, you're wrong.

Christians, Orthodox Christians, Jews, Wiccans, Pagans, and Muslims all have holidays within a week of Christmas, if you extend it out to two weeks you can include Shintos, Sikhs, and Buddhists. Every major religion (except Hinduism) has some sort of Holiday in late December, early January. Does that answer the question of what they're celebrating?

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