Best Bear gun?

neechi · Post by **neechi** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 8:17 pm

or for 30 dollars more you could get one of these...

http://www.marstar.ca/gf-norinco/images ... -800px.jpg

http://www.marstar.ca/gf-norinco/YL-1JZ.shtm

1000 HP · Post by **1000 HP** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:03 am

Forget the handguns. (Unless you like a cell mate named bubba). Get a Marlin 450 with an 18.5 inch barrel. It has accuracy and punch at short range and packs a 350 gr. bullet.

Walker · Post by **Walker** » Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:17 am

You guys are a bunch of pussies, this is what a REAL man carries:
The Davy Crockett and W54 Nuclear Warhead

http://www.tonyrogers.com/weapons/davy_crockett.htm

Maverick · Post by **Maverick** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:34 am

Well its almost summer surveying season for me and the Mossberg Model 500 will be stitting in the truck.

Hey I got a question for anyone who knows, but in BC, if I am carrying the 12ga with me in the bush, do I need a hunters card? I just have my PAL, and it usually sits in the truck, but there have been one or two times where Yogi is between me and the truck! From my understanding its ok, I carry it unloaded, and if I do end up hitting/takin down a bear, my first call would be to the Fish Cop, even if I had the card or not. I'd rather pay a fine than be breakfast.

Walker · Post by **Walker** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:54 am

I am NOT an expert on this, but from my understanding of the law you are totally fine to carry the weapon… AND if necessary shoot Yogi. Furthermore if it was for defensive reasons there is no fine etc… however you MUST report it, and cant take the animal. IE no gallbladder removal . If you were to shoot it without a license and you didn’t report it, then your in trouble…

Once again I could be wrong on this; (and it wouldn’t be such a hot idea anyway) but I think you are permitted to carry a loaded weapon as well…
However any restricted gun you would need a carry permit for; I think a few pages back there was a post about how to go through this process….

BUT as my above post mentioned you’re a pussy for just carrying a shotgun; what you SHOULD do is strap a Davy Crockett to one of your floats; then before landing at your destination fire it off into the bush where your leaving your passengers… Wait a few min for the dust to settle, then land and drop them off…. Yogi wont be in ANY mood to bother you… furthermore night landings would become an option with all that glowy radiation smoke…. Just remember to look away first

w squared · Post by **w squared** » Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:28 pm

Come on Walker...let's get real. Although the Davy Crockett would make a kick-ass bear gun, it'd be hard to get. It's been out of production for years. Here's my vote for a impractical illegal fantasmagorical bear gun:

Barret 25mm "Payload" rifle. 25X59mm shaped charge round. Semi-auto. Available 25mm airburst HE round for "small game". What more could you want? (Other than a weapon that won't cause you to slip a disc when you try to pick it up)

Apollo · Post by **Apollo** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:17 am

This is what I have mounted on the back of my truck - I had to get a tarp to cover it up when I'm going through town though:

Apollo · Post by **Apollo** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 9:18 am

*mutter*, same gun - just cooler mount... I wonder if you can get it streamlined.

w squared · Post by **w squared** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:28 pm

What'd you go and mount that on your pickup for? It's designed to be fired from the shoulder. If you want to mount something on your pickup, you'd be best off with an HMG instead of a sniper rifle. If one 50 cal round will do the job, then ten will REALLY do the job.

Actually, the two rifles that we posted aren't quite the same. The 25mm that I posted is the "big brother" of the one that you did. Here's a link to the manufacturer's site.

http://www.barrettrifles.com/rifles.htm

Very cool. And impossible to get in Canada.

rigpiggy · Post by **rigpiggy** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:37 pm

negative, thats the Barrett m82. this weapon is in .50 BMG, however the upper receiver maybe swapped for the 25 mm, put in the other Magazine, and with I believe a different bolthead, put in the carrier. civilian ownership of firearms with a bore size over .510 inch is restricted in both Canada, and the USA. great for long distance targets ie: 1000m bullseye, and the military uses these for sniping. in Afghanistan a Canadian sniper has the longest confirmed kill at 2,657m. most .50's have a weight of around 35+lbs not very conducive for a Bear Gun.

Walker · Post by **Walker** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:40 pm

well I guess if we are just talking about a pee shooter .50 cal what about something like the m3m from FNH

http://www.fnhusa.com/contents/mg_m3m.htm

w squared · Post by **w squared** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 5:58 pm

Actually, rigpiggy, according to the Barret site, only the M107 can be converted to 25mm (thus becoming an M109). Very similar to the M82, but not the same weapon.

But thanks for repeating a lot of what I said in my post anyways

altiplano · Post by **altiplano** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:11 pm

Maverick wrote:Hey I got a question for anyone who knows, but in BC, if I am carrying the 12ga with me in the bush, do I need a hunters card?

No, your PAL is all.

Maverick wrote:I just have my PAL, and it usually sits in the truck, but there have been one or two times where Yogi is between me and the truck! From my understanding its ok, I carry it unloaded, and if I do end up hitting/takin down a bear, my first call would be to the Fish Cop, even if I had the card or not. I'd rather pay a fine than be breakfast.

I think you need your PAL on your person. But I don't think you'll get hassled about that much... You can carry your gun loaded too. Just can't be loaded in the truck...

Apollo · Post by **Apollo** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:23 pm

Very cool. And impossible to get in Canada.

But if you're in the US - you can get one to protect yourself from burglaries. I feel so much safer that I can punch holes in THE FUCKING HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET.

w squared · Post by **w squared** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:53 pm

Oh, don't worry. You can get a .50 cal rifle in Canada. The only reason that you can't buy a Barret is US export restrictions.

But I hear that there's a guy in Saskatchewan that's making bolt-action .50 cal rifles. So you can go ahead and punch holes in that house across the street from you every time that your dog farts and makes you think that there's a burglar in the house.

Northern Skies · Post by **Northern Skies** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 8:06 pm

rigpiggy wrote:negative, thats the Barrett m82. this weapon is in .50 BMG, however the upper receiver maybe swapped for the 25 mm, put in the other Magazine, and with I believe a different bolthead, put in the carrier. civilian ownership of firearms with a bore size over .510 inch is restricted in both Canada, and the USA. great for long distance targets ie: 1000m bullseye, and the military uses these for sniping. in Afghanistan a Canadian sniper has the longest confirmed kill at 2,657m. most .50's have a weight of around 35+lbs not very conducive for a Bear Gun.

Just to clarify,

The record shot was with a McMillan Tac50. A similar rifle is made in Canada by Prairie Gun Works. The Barret is nowhere near as accurate as these (not as practical either).

For 1000m stuff a .50 is still overkill. A .300WM is just fine. The .338 Lapua reaches a bit farther, and apparently the .408 CheyTac beats the .50. (.308 loses accuracy around 900m). You don't need to lob a 750 grain bullet to reach long ranges.

w squared · Post by **w squared** » Sun Apr 09, 2006 8:50 pm

Agreed. The .408 is a better soft-target round. However, the CheyTac isn't exactly a small rifle either. Oh...and the CheyTac bullet may be smaller than a .50, but it's still over 400 grains. In anyone's book, that still counts as lobbing a large bullet (albiet less than 750 grain).

Let's not forget that the Barret is not just used for it's long-range accuracy - it's also used for it's ability to deliver a big punch. A well-placed .50 round can cause a lot of damage to things other than a person.

-Helicopter gearboxes
-ATGMs/SAMs
-Vehicle engine blocks or radiators
-Transformers
-Communications equipment

You get the picture. If you can sit 1000 meters out and hit these targets, a two or three man sniper team can produce results out of proportion with their size.

There are a slew of heavy anti-materiel rifles out there, some of them firing rounds up to 20X100mm. (although that monster needs to have a secondary combustion chamber in order to help control the recoil). They all fill the same need. One that stuff like .338 and .408 don't measure up to.

Jim N · Post by **Jim N** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:39 pm

w squared wrote:Oh, don't worry. You can get a .50 cal rifle in Canada. The only reason that you can't buy a Barret is US export restrictions.

That is my understanding as well. Read in a US gunrag a year ago that Barrett is so pissed about it he is refusing to do any warratee work for the Gov't or LE down south.

As for alternatives to the Barrett, The Shooting Edge in CYYC has Steyr HS-50s available. Only $5,599.00 plus tax

. Sweet piece of kit but too expensive for me. Also far too heavy to hump around.

Back on topic, my vote would be for a Maverick 88 12ga pump. Basically a bargain priced Mossy 500, its ~$200. Couple of boxes of slugs and you are good to go...

w squared · Post by **w squared** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 5:55 pm

We think alike, Jim. I actually only live a mile or two from the Shooter's Edge. Great little facility they have there.

North Shore · Post by **North Shore** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 9:38 pm

On another note, is it possible to get a de-activated 12 ga shotgun? I was thinking to use it as an anti-burglar device, on the premise that anyone hearing the distinctive 'shuck-clack' of a shotgun action while they were up to no good in/outside someone else's house, would be inclined to run rather than take the risk of getting shot...

And, to bring this back to aviation...apparently, Clive has been known to hang at the Shooter's Edge...

AntiNakedMan · Post by **AntiNakedMan** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 10:00 pm

North Shore wrote:On another note, is it possible to get a de-activated 12 ga shotgun? I was thinking to use it as an anti-burglar device, on the premise that anyone hearing the distinctive 'shuck-clack' of a shotgun action while they were up to no good in/outside someone else's house, would be inclined to run rather than take the risk of getting shot...

Yeah, just disassemble the bolt/pin assembly and it won't shoot anymore... or buy a tape recorder, record it, hook it up to speakers in your house, and make lots of noise.

Personally, I would never pull a gun or flash one or give any show of intent of using one unless I was 100% sure that I would use it. What happens if your burgler has a shotgun with him? All you would have is a shotgun-sounding baseball bat....

w squared · Post by **w squared** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:43 am

I'm 100% in agreement with you, ANM. Don't produce a gun unless you're willing to use it. That doesn't mean that you want to shoot someone, it simply means that if you're not prepared to use the shotgun that you're toting, you vastly increase the chances that it's going to be used against you. Or the chances that an armed intruder will shoot first and ask questions later.

If you want a home defense device that doesn't require a firearms PAL (or don't want a firearm in the house with kids), then I see two easy alternatives.

#1. A Louisville slugger.

#2. The combination of a VERY bright flashlight and a large can of pepper spray.

Either one of those two options will provide you with a less-than-lethal method to subdue an intruder. Just be aware that using pepper spray indoors will not make you popular with anyone that lives in that house.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 6:14 am

Cant beleive the bear gun thread is still alive and well. Bunch or red necks!
I love the "I dont want a gun in the house." line! How many kids die each year from eating something they find under the sink? How many die because they find daddy's .308? The firearm is just higher profile! The stuff under the sink should be stored safely, as should the firearm! But there is no law regarding the safe storage of turpentine, lighter fluid, cleaning fluids etc. There should be.....it'd save more little lives than safe gun storage ever will! But it wont cause the media frenzzy that a good old "Little Billy guns down his best friend with daddy's hunting rifle!" That's NEWS! Chocking to death on improperly stored, scented tampons is not!

CAL · Post by **CAL** » Thu May 11, 2006 7:39 am

You know humans are funny......we really are stupid...and if someone gets eaten alive I figure for all the damage and destruction we have caused its deserved....Happy hunting guys better not miss or you are going to have to watch your stomach be devoured.

CAL · Post by **CAL** » Thu May 11, 2006 7:40 am

just kidding!! ofcourse

Best Bear gun?

Big Bullets