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tonysoprano · Post by **tonysoprano** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:34 pm

I rest my case.

55+ · Post by **55+** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:45 pm

Some of the Regionals (EPA, QuebecAIR, NordAIR etc) that ended up with PWA aka Canadian had plenty of Provincial contributions either subsidies, tax breaks, grants. How was EPA able to get B737 in 1969 when it was for all intents and purposes a bush operation and as well set up infrastructure to run such an operation if the NL government at that time (Joey Smallwood) didn’t step in!

complexintentions · Post by **complexintentions** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:18 pm

Does having rights to every bit of prime hangarage, real estate, and gates at every major (and most minor) airports in Canada count towards the total? What about the shutting out of the Blue Team back in the day of the prime Europe routes? Good old Max Ward, given the Asian routes as a consolation prize...funny how when they turned out to be lucrative AC was suddenly interested...

There's more than meets the eye when it comes talk to talk about a "subsidized" airline...

Ahhh...it's all ancient history anyway....these days I'd just like to see AC steal back some market share in the West...

CanadaEH · Post by **CanadaEH** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:11 pm

Air Canada has only added three additional daily flights YVR-YYC. They are way off-peak early morning and late night flights with two out of the three added flights being on CRJ-200's. Air Canada will be lucky to fill those up at the times they added, not to mention the recently announced YEG-YLW, YEG-YYJ, YYC-YQQ routes (all on CRJ's).

CanadaEH · Post by **CanadaEH** » Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:15 pm

Ahhh...it's all ancient history anyway....these days I'd just like to see AC steal back some market share in the West...

Funny you should mention that because "stealing market share" is going to come at a cost to Air Canada. Much of its recently announced routes are on CRJ's which operate at a higher unit cost and a substantially higher CASM than Westjet. Someone's going to bleed red (ironically) and it isn't going to be Westjet.

WJ700 · Post by **WJ700** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 5:23 am

Not that I like the thought of a blood bath but AC will need similar equipment to compete and make money. WestJet can wait for the 50 seats to fill on an RJ and still leave with 60 on a NG making money. Or, they can match the first 50 seats at 20 bucks and leave with another 80-100 seats to make money. I don't see the 'RJ attack' as wise with their huge unit costs.

gr8gazu · Post by **gr8gazu** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:28 am

tonysoprano wrote:I rest my case.

How can you rest what you don't have??

Fred Gaspar was the Manager of Government relations for Air Canada and thus his article is just company spin. The real costs associated with AC and its time as a Crown Corporation will never be known but it is very extensive.

Sorry to all you AC types. I know it is like hearing "your wife is ugly" but there is no denying the fiscal support AC has had over decades. Just don't believe all the company dribble or you will end up convinced that the good old salaries will be back.

AC has managed to build tremendous loyalty from their employees which is admirable. Lets see if they value it in the future.

(edited for Gelbitch)

neophyte · Post by **neophyte** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:45 am

Gazu,

"don't believe all the company dribble or you will end up convinced that the good old salaries will be back. "

Regardless if the wages of the golden age reappear or not, the fact of the matter is that AC still has the best wage in Canada (by a long shot), and will continue to compensate accordingly for the forseeable future.

I cannot help to notice that everything you post regarding AC has a negative slant on it. It seems to make your point of view slightly biased. At least the AC regulars (Jaque, TS, etc) have no problem presenting an objective front.

Just an observation,

N

gelbisch · Post by **gelbisch** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 11:58 am

gr8gazu wrote:AC has managed to build tremendous loyalty from their employees which is admiral.

(I apologize for the Blastoresque highlighting in quotes.)

Do we have a navy now at AC?? What a "pittens"!!

gr8gazu · Post by **gr8gazu** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:51 pm

Sorry gelbitch, I will pay close attention to your posts for typos. I guess, if you can't argue fact, you resort to spelling,grammar errors etc.

Thanks for changing your avatar, You were making me want to punch B. Murray

gelbisch · Post by **gelbisch** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 2:33 pm

I was never arguing anything... just making fun of your grammar.

gr8gazu · Post by **gr8gazu** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 4:03 pm

neophyte wrote:
I cannot help to notice that everything you post regarding AC has a negative slant on it. It seems to make your point of view slightly biased. At least the AC regulars (Jaque, TS, etc) have no problem presenting an objective front.

Just an observation,

N

Are you kidding me?? Jacque Strappe unbiased???

He/she is one thing, and that is a good AC company man/woman. Tows the company line well and doesn't take part in too much whining. I admit I have my negative opinions on AC but they are primarily based on use as a regular customer . A paying customer, not the type that sit up in business class in uniform. You will find that to be common amongst the frequent flyers. Especially those with industry knowledge.

Now, where is my spell/grammar check for gelbitch??

gr8gazu · Post by **gr8gazu** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 4:16 pm

gelbisch wrote:I was never arguing anything... just making fun of your grammar.

Ah good! If that is your hobby, you will have no shortage of fun with most of the posts on these forums.

Good on you! Feel like a real man then do you?

Please allow me to pay homage oh great gelbitch....

Not really, more like

tonysoprano · Post by **tonysoprano** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 4:37 pm

As a young lad watching the Flintstones, I used to think Gazu was a gay dweeb. I always wanted to put my hands around his neck and pop his head off. Funny, he still has that effect on me.

gelbisch · Post by **gelbisch** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 5:25 pm

Dude... serenity now!

I promise to refrain from any further discussion with you, serious or otherwise, as your feelings are evidently so easily bruised. I apologize and recant, OK? Now back to your anti-AC mudslinging.

gr8gazu · Post by **gr8gazu** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 5:28 pm

Another incredibly mature response Mr. Soprano.

AC really should re-eval those psych tests....I am seeing some pretty big holes

I believe the Flintstones character was Great Gazoo. This not my screen name nor is it the basis for my screen name. Nice try though. Enjoy your cartoons!

(Please spell check gelbitch)
THX

gr8gazu · Post by **gr8gazu** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 5:41 pm

gelbisch wrote:

Dude... serenity now!

I promise to refrain from any further discussion with you, serious or otherwise, as your feelings are evidently so easily bruised. I apologize and recant, OK? Now back to your anti-AC mudslinging.

Oh come on.... You had your little bit of fun teasing so allow me the same.

I have no problem discussing anything with you and really don't mind comments you make. I don't take this or myself too seriously

I look at most things pretty objectively (with the exception of AC admittedly) so I appreciate intelligent discussion.

I can see anything negative, truthful or not, about AC is not well received by the AC types and there is certainly over reaction but somebody has to inject a little reality now and then.

Believe it or not, AC isn't the be all end all job or company that many profess. It is also not all bad. I just don't like the holier than thou attitude a lot of you new hires develop and how quickly you shite on the rest of the industry.

Cheers Gelbisch, I'll drop the rhetoric now

WF9F · Post by **WF9F** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:26 pm

Regardless if the wages of the golden age reappear or not, the fact of the matter is that AC still has the best wage in Canada (by a long shot), and will continue to compensate accordingly for the forseeable future.

That is incorrect, by a long shot.Take a look at WestJet's new pay for the pilots.
I can tell you the money is not flowing hand over fist here unless your senior.

Just the facts,

WF9F

tonysoprano · Post by **tonysoprano** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 9:05 pm

gr8gazu, great gazoo.....
You've just ruined fond memories of my childhood. Thanks.
Oh, and BTW, the psych test whent pretty good. I make a pretty good living doing what I do and they even let me fly one of those big widebody what-ya-me-callems, uh B767, I think? You need not be concerned. See, I could easily question your maturity judging some of your brainless anti AC comments but I'm too mature for that. Cheers.

gr8gazu · Post by **gr8gazu** » Sat Apr 01, 2006 11:24 pm

tonysoprano wrote:gr8gazu, great gazoo.....
You've just ruined fond memories of my childhood. Thanks.
Oh, and BTW, the psych test whent pretty good. I make a pretty good living doing what I do and they even let me fly one of those big widebody what-ya-me-callems, uh B767, I think? You need not be concerned. See, I could easily question your maturity judging some of your brainless anti AC comments but I'm too mature for that. Cheers.

BTDT Tony, I just don't define myself or my life as a widebody flyer. Sorry, just another flight director....

Keep up the name calling though, just confirms my statement.

neophyte · Post by **neophyte** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 12:29 am

WF9F,

Hey, sorry, I didn't know my info was flawed, I got it from airlinepilotcentral.com which indicates a 12 year WJ capt brings home 120k worth of bacon: a little more than a comparable 320 FO at AC.

Regardless, if you say that is incorrect, then it must be. I still don't understand how the WJ pay structure works, or the AC pay structure for that matter. I just don't see Clive paying a 37 skipper what uncle milty pays a 340 skipper.

Could you clarify how much the top paying flying position makes at WJ?

Thanks,

Ne Ohhhhhhhh!!!!

tonysoprano · Post by **tonysoprano** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 6:24 am

Gazu.
You just don't get it.

WF9F · Post by **WF9F** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 7:18 am

Neopphyte,
That PilotPay site is not up to date.Westjet just signed a new contract about a month ago.You can't compare it to a 340 captains wage because the 737 is comparable to the 320.Anyway, a captain at WJA will make between 150 and 180 at top scale of 10 years.That $180 is close to captain wage on 767 here at AC.
FO's will make close to $60 starting off.Almost double the staring wage for a new hire.2-3 year FO will make 80-90-G's.The same can be made at AC as FO on the 320 IF you can hold it.If you are in the Paygroup and on the Embraer 3rd year pays a little les than $59,000.

Hope tis helps,

WF9F

gr8gazu · Post by **gr8gazu** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 7:43 am

tonysoprano wrote:Gazu.
You just don't get it.

I agree with you there Tony!

Hell, I don't even know what I was supposed to get

Just because a persons opinion varies from yours, doesn't make it "brainless". Sorry you took offence...

If I can offer advice though, this is a public forum. If you don't want to hear opposing views, make your posts to the "private" AC forum.

An open mind is the key to enlightenment. When you achieve that, you won't take these discussions so personally.

spoiler · Post by **spoiler** » Sun Apr 02, 2006 8:39 am

WF9F wrote: FO's will make close to $60 starting off.Almost double the staring wage for a new hire.2-3 year FO will make 80-90-G's.The same can be made at AC as FO on the 320 IF you can hold it.If you are in the Paygroup and on the Embraer 3rd year pays a little les than $59,000.

Hope tis helps,

WF9F

I am pretty sure that new applicants for WJ are being told that it is 40g's to start, apparently you guys also have a new pay group starting may 1?