This may sound dopey, but...re-watched The Aviator last night. After viewing, I was "OK, I'm really, really not looking forward to spins and spirals lessons, but Goddamit, I'm gunna get thru 'em! Full steam ahead! I want my f-ing licence!"
Nothing like a little really well-done Hollywood inspiration and dose of courage, eh?
The Aviator -- The Movie
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just think of it this way.... spins and spirals would be bad if you weren't the guy instigating them..... as long as you're in control, there is nothing to worry about... and i can scare you more with a stall than a properly done spin.
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Spins had to be by far my favorite part of flight training. The aerobatic intro flight was also great! Loops, slow rolls, hammerheads, chandelles and a couple of lazy 8's.
Way better than any rollercoaster. I wouldn't dread them if I were you.. Most training a/c are pretty tame in an induced spin at a safe altitude. You'll enjoy it.
Cheers!
Way better than any rollercoaster. I wouldn't dread them if I were you.. Most training a/c are pretty tame in an induced spin at a safe altitude. You'll enjoy it.
Cheers!
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TorontoGuy,
I liked your post, nice to hear someone still excited about flying! Helps us all remember why we do it. Best of luck with the training!
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TorontoGuy,
I liked your post, nice to hear someone still excited about flying! Helps us all remember why we do it. Best of luck with the training!
CI
I’m still waiting for my white male privilege membership card. Must have gotten lost in the mail.
Transcribed from a Pilots' Forum
ORIGIN OF THE WORD AVIATOR
Phu Khen (pronounced Foo Ken), ?-1228, is considered by some to be the most under recognized military officer in history, as most have never heard of his contributions to modern military warfare.
A 'Khen' was a subordinate to a 'Khan' (pronounced 'konn'), which is Turkic for emperor. Most know of the great Genghis Khan, but little has been written of his military chain of command. Although there is not a word in English that adequately conveys the meaning of Khen. Roughly translated, it means, "One who will do the impossible, while appearing unprepared and complaining constantly."
Phu Khen was one of the Khens that headed a group of hordes in Genghis Khan’s Mongol Army. His abilities came to light during the Mongols' raid on the Turkistan city of Bohicaroo. The Bohicans were fierce warriors and the city was well stocked and fortified by huge ramparts. As such Genghis Khan assembled his Khens and ordered each of them to develop a plan for penetrating the defences.
When Operation Achieve Victory (AV) was initiated all the Khens submitted their plans. After reviewing AV plans 1 thru 7 and finding them all unworkable or ridiculous, upon seeing AV 8, Phu Khen’s submission, Genghis was convinced and gave his immediate approval. The plan was beautifully simple. Phu Khen proposed to arm his hordes to the teeth, load them into catapults, and hurl them over the wall. The losses were expected to be high, but hey, hordes were cheap! Those that survived the flight would engage the enemy in combat. Those that did not? Well, surely their flailing bodies would cause some damage.
The plan worked and the Bohicans were defeated. From that day on, whenever the Mongol Army encountered an insurmountable enemy, Genghis Khan would give the order, "Send some Phu Khen AV 8-ers", so spawning the word Aviator.
Phu Khen's AV 8-ers were understandably an unruly mob, and not likely to be socially acceptable. Many were heavy drinkers and insomniacs. But when nothing else would do, you could always count on an AV 8-er. A Phu Khen Aviator. Denied, perhaps rightfully so, his place in history, Phu Khen has been, nonetheless, immortalized in prose:
There once was a man named Phu Khen,
Whose breakfast was whiskey and gin.
When e'er he'd fly,
He'd give a mighty war cry -
"Bend Over, Here It Comes Again."
Consider it an honour to be a Phu Khen Aviator. Wear the mantle proudly, but speak of it cautiously, as it is not always popular to be one. You may hear mystical references, often hushed whispers, to 'those Phu Khen Aviators.' Do not let these things bother you. As with any secret society, we go largely misunderstood, prohibited by our apathy from explaining ourselves. You are expected to always live down to the reputation of the Phu Khen Aviator, a reputation cultivated for centuries, undaunted by scorn or ridicule, unhindered by progress. So drink up, be crude, sleep late, urinate in public, and get the job done. And when others are offended, you can revel in the knowledge that you are a Phu Khen Aviator!
Phu Khen (pronounced Foo Ken), ?-1228, is considered by some to be the most under recognized military officer in history, as most have never heard of his contributions to modern military warfare.
A 'Khen' was a subordinate to a 'Khan' (pronounced 'konn'), which is Turkic for emperor. Most know of the great Genghis Khan, but little has been written of his military chain of command. Although there is not a word in English that adequately conveys the meaning of Khen. Roughly translated, it means, "One who will do the impossible, while appearing unprepared and complaining constantly."
Phu Khen was one of the Khens that headed a group of hordes in Genghis Khan’s Mongol Army. His abilities came to light during the Mongols' raid on the Turkistan city of Bohicaroo. The Bohicans were fierce warriors and the city was well stocked and fortified by huge ramparts. As such Genghis Khan assembled his Khens and ordered each of them to develop a plan for penetrating the defences.
When Operation Achieve Victory (AV) was initiated all the Khens submitted their plans. After reviewing AV plans 1 thru 7 and finding them all unworkable or ridiculous, upon seeing AV 8, Phu Khen’s submission, Genghis was convinced and gave his immediate approval. The plan was beautifully simple. Phu Khen proposed to arm his hordes to the teeth, load them into catapults, and hurl them over the wall. The losses were expected to be high, but hey, hordes were cheap! Those that survived the flight would engage the enemy in combat. Those that did not? Well, surely their flailing bodies would cause some damage.
The plan worked and the Bohicans were defeated. From that day on, whenever the Mongol Army encountered an insurmountable enemy, Genghis Khan would give the order, "Send some Phu Khen AV 8-ers", so spawning the word Aviator.
Phu Khen's AV 8-ers were understandably an unruly mob, and not likely to be socially acceptable. Many were heavy drinkers and insomniacs. But when nothing else would do, you could always count on an AV 8-er. A Phu Khen Aviator. Denied, perhaps rightfully so, his place in history, Phu Khen has been, nonetheless, immortalized in prose:
There once was a man named Phu Khen,
Whose breakfast was whiskey and gin.
When e'er he'd fly,
He'd give a mighty war cry -
"Bend Over, Here It Comes Again."
Consider it an honour to be a Phu Khen Aviator. Wear the mantle proudly, but speak of it cautiously, as it is not always popular to be one. You may hear mystical references, often hushed whispers, to 'those Phu Khen Aviators.' Do not let these things bother you. As with any secret society, we go largely misunderstood, prohibited by our apathy from explaining ourselves. You are expected to always live down to the reputation of the Phu Khen Aviator, a reputation cultivated for centuries, undaunted by scorn or ridicule, unhindered by progress. So drink up, be crude, sleep late, urinate in public, and get the job done. And when others are offended, you can revel in the knowledge that you are a Phu Khen Aviator!
The probability of survival is dependent on the angle of arrival.
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Re: Transcribed from a Pilots' Forum
I hear Monty Python's optioned the story for its next Broadway musical.32a wrote:ORIGIN OF THE WORD AVIATOR...
Buddy,
I went to Wonderland (inluding the Topgun) and you know what...I'll do a spin/spiral most of the days than go there again
....why? Well, like someone said, as long you know what are you doing - YOU are in control!
Those rides...as funny as it seems, you have not control over it...you are IN for the ride!
Don't worry and good luck!
I went to Wonderland (inluding the Topgun) and you know what...I'll do a spin/spiral most of the days than go there again
....why? Well, like someone said, as long you know what are you doing - YOU are in control!Those rides...as funny as it seems, you have not control over it...you are IN for the ride!
Don't worry and good luck!
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I wouldn't be too quick to use a movie as a reference to flying in the real world. I've seen too many stupid things in movies compared to real life that I can do nothing but laugh (which confuses the hell out of my wife - start laughing during a part in a movie when nothing funny is happening, except for the movies attempt at making it look real). Such as the very beginning of Flightplan......the deicer sprays deice fluid DIRECTLY on the cockpit window. (a definite no-no for anyone who has done deicing before). I also thought the crash landing in the Aviator was kinda funny (where he lands on top of the houses), I dont know about other pilots, but I would have been cutting my engines before I put it down.
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I only made it half way through the movie before I hit "stop" and "eject".
The worst thing is that I rented the bitch!
Luckily I now have a computer with enough horsepower to download movies. If they're crap like, "The Aviator" then it's simply "Delete", and I don't feel so violated.
@#$! "The Aviator"! Probably the WORST flyin' movie I ever saw.
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The worst thing is that I rented the bitch!
Luckily I now have a computer with enough horsepower to download movies. If they're crap like, "The Aviator" then it's simply "Delete", and I don't feel so violated.
@#$! "The Aviator"! Probably the WORST flyin' movie I ever saw.
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Interestingly, it's pointed out in the extras on the DVD that this was one of Hughes's failings as an aviator: whereas most pilots would immediately start emergency procedures and look for a safe landing place, Hughes preferred to try to diagnose a problem in the air.SK_pile_it wrote: I dont know about other pilots, but I would have been cutting my engines before I put it down.
Otherwise...but of course movies are just movies. Seeing The Aviator does make me want to go out and find a copy of Hell's Angels, tho, since those dog fight sequences used real planes and pilots, not some computer simulations.
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Anyone seen the original aviator with superman? I have it on DVD, i actually enjoyed it quite nicely, its about the golden age of aviation when it opened up great expanses and was relied on to get supplies to remote locations.
Another one of my favorite av movies is Snow walkers, with barry pepper. Poor Norseman
but wonderful movie.
Another one of my favorite av movies is Snow walkers, with barry pepper. Poor Norseman
but wonderful movie.She’s built like a Steakhouse, but she handles like a Bistro.
Let's kick the tires, and light the fires.... SHIT! FIRE! EMERGENCY CHECKLIST!
Let's kick the tires, and light the fires.... SHIT! FIRE! EMERGENCY CHECKLIST!
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The WORST? You may be forgetting about pushing tin, or how about pearl harbour? Did that movie ever miss the point!
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Just kidding pal, but six in one sentence! An official record that I just couldn't let slide.
/your local spelling and gramar nazi
Oh, c'mon! It wasn't all THAT bad! At least they quite obviously had at least one or two people on crew who knew a thing or two about flying!@#$! "The Aviator"! Probably the WORST flyin' movie I ever saw.
The WORST? You may be forgetting about pushing tin, or how about pearl harbour? Did that movie ever miss the point!
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I think I'm picking up your point. Pilots never learned how to use the apostrophe while aviators are at least literate and passed grade school?There are Aviator's, and there are Pilot's. Aviator's hang around airport's on their day's off, and pilot's fly for a paycheck. I'm a pilot!
Just kidding pal, but six in one sentence! An official record that I just couldn't let slide.
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Well worth it! Hell's Angels has great dogfight scenes! And they blow up actual buildings too- not models. Pretty cool. I loaned it out of the Sault Public Library about five times in my 3 years in the Soo.TorontoGuy wrote:Seeing The Aviator does make me want to go out and find a copy of Hell's Angels, tho, since those dog fight sequences used real planes and pilots, not some computer simulations.
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[[quote]quote="polythene_pam"][b]istp[/b][quote]@#$! "The Aviator"! Probably the WORST flyin' movie I ever saw. [/quote]
Oh, c'mon! It wasn't all THAT bad! At least they quite obviously had at least one or two people on crew who knew a thing or two about flying!
The WORST? You may be forgetting about pushing tin, or how about pearl harbour? Did that movie ever miss the point![/quote]
I didn't think my first post would be like this - here goes.
I was not impressed with the movie "the Aviator" . Hughes was a little left of center, but Hollywood spent too much time proving this fact.
I am no movie director but the part about the Goose should have had a little more screen time. Hughes had a passion for aviation like no one else and I don't think this was properly represented in the movie.
Oh, c'mon! It wasn't all THAT bad! At least they quite obviously had at least one or two people on crew who knew a thing or two about flying!
The WORST? You may be forgetting about pushing tin, or how about pearl harbour? Did that movie ever miss the point![/quote]
I didn't think my first post would be like this - here goes.
I was not impressed with the movie "the Aviator" . Hughes was a little left of center, but Hollywood spent too much time proving this fact.
I am no movie director but the part about the Goose should have had a little more screen time. Hughes had a passion for aviation like no one else and I don't think this was properly represented in the movie.
