Canjet pilots and a Union??

rickenbacker · Post by **rickenbacker** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:35 pm

Yup and I always believe everything I read. On the other hand I don't think it's the right place to post internal memos on the internet. I might not like it, agree with it and even not believe it but it wasnt meant to be posted here.

EastCoaster · Post by **EastCoaster** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:52 pm

Okay...I've seen enough of this crap. An internal bulletin issued to the employees of CanJet gets onto the internet!! Come on guys. This is starting to look like that old Jetsgo forum with guys bashing each other and there own company. As a CanJet employee, I am sick and tired of it. For those that don't want to work with me and the rest of the team, don't. Look elsewhere. Just stop dragging everyone else down with you. Some of us were happy before any of this foolishness started. We enjoyed working with a group of people that are talented and love what they do, we liked going to work each day. Now we don't, and it's your fault! Your misery is bringing the whole company down. Simply put, find some pride in yourselves and don't bring your bickering onto the internet in front of an audience.

wooden spoon · Post by **wooden spoon** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:53 pm

post deleted due to lack of material...

737 Mech · Post by **737 Mech** » Mon Apr 17, 2006 5:51 pm

yeah I read the posting here before I seen it in work....I don't really agree with posting that stuff here because it maybe taken out of context by people that don't know whats really going on in our company. therefore I'm deleting all my posts on this subject before it gets outta hand. I always used this site to update news about CanJet but I refuse to mix business with pleasure.

po'dcjer · Post by **po'dcjer** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:34 am

i missed what was posted, and i'm not sure which memo it was, but that s#$t ain't cool....i know we all get frustrated and its ok to vent on the forum...but ya can't be doin' that....let's find something else to argue about or gossip about....

737mach · Post by **737mach** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 4:45 pm

CanJet warns it may have to slow growth
BRENT JANG

TRANSPORTATION REPORTER

CanJet Airlines must pare expenses and may be forced to slow its expansion strategy because of high fuel prices and the decision by employees to join unions, chief operating officer Julie Gossen says.

Halifax-based CanJet, launched nearly four years ago, must "rethink and reshape our strategic business plan," Ms. Gossen said in a letter to the airline's workers, including more than 135 flight attendants and 100 pilots seeking their first union contracts.

The carrier, owned by IMP Group International Inc., operates 10 planes and serves 14 Canadian and U.S. destinations on its scheduled routes and another dozen venues in sun spots through charter deals with tour operators Sunquest Vacations and Transat A.T. Inc.

"There is clearly going to be a different relationship with our unionized employees at CanJet," Ms. Gossen wrote. "It will become more difficult for CanJet management to act independently from policies established by our head office and this is unfortunate."

IMP -- a conglomerate controlled by her father, Halifax businessman Ken Rowe -- has asked the airline to tighten its financial belt.

"My outlook remains positive and my door remains open but I would be remiss if I did not emphasize that all CanJet employees are expected to remain accountable and productive if the airline is to be a strong, viable and permanent entity within the IMP organization," Ms. Gossen said.

She emphasized that CanJet remains "committed to excellence in customer service." CanJet has consistently been in the good books of the Canadian Transportation Agency's air travel complaints program, which names Air Canada as the No. 1 target of disgruntled passengers, attracting 663 grievances last year, up from 484 in 2004.

Defunct Jetsgo Corp. garnered the second-highest number of complaints in 2005, with 85 in just 10 weeks before it collapsed, compared with 159 for all of 2004.

Transat had 66 complaints filed against it last year, down from 78 in 2004, while the program received 51 grievances about Skyservice Airlines Inc., down from 110. Zoom Airlines saw grumbling about it jump to 31 from 11, complaints against WestJet Airlines Ltd. rose to 22 from 12 and gripes against CanJet climbed to 11 from four.

Ms. Gossen said she's confident that CanJet's service quality won't suffer even though "every division of the airline will be operating in a conscious and conscientious cost-reduction mode."

Last November, CanJet cancelled its Toronto-Vancouver route four months after starting the flights amid hoopla about a breakthrough in Western Canada, where Calgary is now the carrier's lone destination. CanJet didn't respond to queries yesterday.

"Exemplary customer service will continue to be paramount at CanJet Airlines and I encourage all my co-workers to never lose sight of the important people who pay the bills -- namely our customers," Ms. Gossen concluded in her letter.

Art LaFlamme, spokesman for the Air Line Pilots Association, said he's disappointed by the letter because "this sets a negative tone."

Bede · Post by **Bede** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 5:45 pm

I don't knwo CJ all that well, but for all the complainers...you knew what it was like when you started (you did have friends there). Why complain now? You agreed to work under those conditions?

Correct me if I'm wrong...

Flightlevels · Post by **Flightlevels** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:25 pm

Ya know...I hate this f'ing Brent Jang...why show competitors....this industry is fragile and we don't need a shit disturbing piss poor reporter like him around printing crap like this...call him up C6 ers...givem a piece of your mind about posting internal stuff...man it's your livelyhood.I'm pretty sure it wasn't addressed from canjet to Brent...correct me if I'm wrong.

I hope this article is a joke or something....

green bastard · Post by **green bastard** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:39 pm

green bastard · Post by **green bastard** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:42 pm

Canjet pilots effective today have to pay for any onboard snacks except water or tea/coffee. Thanks Z.

wooden spoon · Post by **wooden spoon** » Wed Apr 19, 2006 7:16 pm

obviously mr jung was lurking around the forums on monday........dont say or write it if you dont want it printed.Its happened many times before.
This forum and others are a great source of info for the media trying to earn a paycheck.By the way,some of them will not let the truth get in the way of a good story.

Did you hear Virgin Canada is starting up with 26 boeing 737/800,s.Flight attendents will wear team Canada hockey jerseys,and give away free cell phones to all customers ,with unlimited airtime.

just checking,ill check the globe tomorrow.

prop2jet · Post by **prop2jet** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:58 am

Working conditions at CJ are not what they probablyt were, case in point, they now have been hiring direct entry captains when there are qualified pilots already within the pilot ranks.

Bede: Working conditions change sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse. We often join companies knowing things are a certain way, are you saying people should just shrug their shoulders, role over and not try and effect a change? I think it is fair to say that many at CJ would rather not have to resort to unions, but usually things deteriorate to a point where it becomes inevitable, and judging by the working conditions and pay mgmt has only themselves to blame.

Bede · Post by **Bede** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:19 am

Prop2Jet:

I don't know whether things got worse. I can certainly see your frustration if things go for the worse. I'm not a big fan of unions in general (although I'm in ALPA). I try to think a bit more like a business man (who are much smarter and better paid than us); if you don't like your job, quit and go where the grass is greener. Eventually the training costs will exceed costs for increase pay/better schedule and things get better. If they don't well the company folds and that'll teach them.

Don't get me wrong, I'm with you guys (I've heard about your draft). If Jazz treated me like that, I'd be banging on CJ and WJ's door.

nightrunner · Post by **nightrunner** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 7:58 am

Check

Canus Chinookus · Post by **Canus Chinookus** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:32 pm

Flightlevels wrote:Ya know...I hate this f'ing Brent Jang...why show competitors....this industry is fragile and we don't need a shit disturbing piss poor reporter like him around printing crap like this...call him up C6 ers...givem a piece of your mind about posting internal stuff...man it's your livelyhood.I'm pretty sure it wasn't addressed from canjet to Brent...correct me if I'm wrong. I hope this article is a joke or something....

not trolling, and you're absolutely right about Jang.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ ... y/Business

737mach · Post by **737mach** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:45 pm

Nightrunner

Have you ever thought of packing a lunch. I bet the rest of the airline employees pay for snacks. What do they do for lunch. Just a thought. I kind of agree with Z. If you look at it from another point of view you may understand how allowing people to take free snacks could lead to untrust when there is money collected for it in the back.

nightrunner · Post by **nightrunner** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:54 pm

737mach

When you go to work on monday do you pack a lunch for the next 4 days and keep it with you all the time? On top of that if I get called in and don't have time to pack a lunch I don't have the option of going next door to get a bite. I know that I have not abused the privelege of having a snack available and I have not seen others abuse it.

green bastard · Post by **green bastard** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 1:39 pm

You trust pilots with the lives of the passengers, the safety and reputation of the company. You encourage pilots who have total control of aircraft fuel consumption to conserve fuel wherever possible but you wont let them have a free snack to help nourish them on a 14-17 hour day. Give me a break. This company continues to break new ground on how low you can lower the bar on working conditions.

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 2:30 pm

Aren't you guys getting per diems? I'm a bit fuzzy on per diems but aren't they supposed to be used for expenses?

Isn't a meal an expense? So aren't you getting the meal for free since,

company pays you per diems - you pay for meal - company gets back it's per diems???

Secondly, are you getting the "snacks" at cost or airfare(regular) rates?

jjj · Post by **jjj** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 3:27 pm

nightrunner wrote:Long day with 30 minute turns and no food = park brake set, stand in line at Tim's for a sandwich.

So it begins.

I'll bet Canjet is gone in less than a year.

Too bad - they have some quality people over there. (nightrunner not included)

nightrunner · Post by **nightrunner** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 3:59 pm

I'm wounded.

B73B · Post by **B73B** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 5:03 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong;

You start a four day pairing and fly YHZ - YYZ - PIE. You overnight at PIE and then fly to YYZ and YHZ. The lunch you packed at YHZ on day 1 has to be gone before you fly into the U.S. You stuff your face full of food on the first leg only to be starving on the next three legs. This also works for the LGA turns on a multi day pairing. Then you have to buy Pringles and Mars bars at $2 each from CJ to get you through until dinner at the hotel.

You get my point or am I simply uninformed??

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 5:30 pm

B73B wrote:The lunch you packed at YHZ on day 1 has to be gone before you fly into the U.S.

I thought you can bring anything that's sealed over the border, so a brown bag lunch, yes, you're stuffing, but if it's packaged you can cross with it...

Four1oh · Post by **Four1oh** » Thu Apr 20, 2006 5:53 pm

my goodness, how do all those westjet crews do it?!!

jjj · Post by **jjj** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:32 am

B73B,

Is your position that the company should provide you with in-flight catering or that the 2 buck chocolate bars and chips should be free?

jjj

Canjet pilots and a Union??

Enough Already!!!!

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