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Post by Hedley »

I can not think of any other industry in Canada where such dishonesty ...
I don't know how anybody could stomach being employed by Transport Canada. I'd quite seriously rather work in a MacDonalds or Walmart - at least your morality and ethics and character wouldn't be comprimised.

Being employed by Transport is not entirely unlike being employed in the child porn industry. I'm sure that not all of them are entirely bad people, either. For example, you might meet some schmuck that simply put blank VCR tapes into machines, then when they were done, put them in box and put a mailing label on them.

If you talked to that guy, he probably wouldn't think he was a bad person, and he had a really good job that paid pretty well, and he'd probably tell you that he personally wasn't hurting anyone.

However ... you are judged by the company you keep.

Politicians, used car salesmen and bureaucrats. What sad excuses for human beings.
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Great. Now when all the perverts are google-ing for good paying jobs in child porn they'll get links to this forum. Bravo Hedley!
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Hedley wrote:
I can not think of any other industry in Canada where such dishonesty ...
I don't know how anybody could stomach being employed by Transport Canada. I'd quite seriously rather work in a MacDonalds or Walmart - at least your morality and ethics and character wouldn't be comprimised.

Being employed by Transport is not entirely unlike being employed in the child porn industry. I'm sure that not all of them are entirely bad people, either. For example, you might meet some schmuck that simply put blank VCR tapes into machines, then when they were done, put them in box and put a mailing label on them.

If you talked to that guy, he probably wouldn't think he was a bad person, and he had a really good job that paid pretty well, and he'd probably tell you that he personally wasn't hurting anyone.

However ... you are judged by the company you keep.

Politicians, used car salesmen and bureaucrats. What sad excuses for human beings.
Interesting analogy. Creative, even. Bravo.

There are some people here with a lot of anger. A shame, really.

Nothing I can say in this forum will ever change the mind of a person that bitter.

Oh, well.

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Post by trey kule »

Guy wrote:

There are some people here with a lot of anger. A shame, really.

Nothing I can say in this forum will ever change the mind of a person that bitter.


Yes there is.

1. Your posts have, in the past, tended to be informative, and show that at least one TC person is a resource and not and enforcement source.

2. You could however, being on the inside, so to speak, attempt to make it known to the middle management at TC that such resentment is out there and that, whether it is justified or not, it should be addressed as its very existance is counterproductive to a healthy aviaition industry.[/quote]
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TC Guy wrote:
Nothing I can say in this forum will ever change the mind of a person that bitter.
That is an accurate statement Guy. Just like anything else in life, whether it be personal problems such as substance abuse or problems with in marriage or a company, the first step towards resolve is acceptance that the problem exists. Without that, there will be no improvement.

Until the Ministry accepts there may be credibility to the claims and acts towards resolution, how can the complaintants feel there will ever be a resolution? In their opinion, it will remain a corrupt agency.

Don't take it personally though as you make a lot of valuble contribution and valid points and your input is appreciated by many. Even if you are from the dark side....... :D Like I have said in the past, TC has its good guys as well.
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Bitter? Naw. Burned? You betcha.

A little history, tremendously condensed .... after a pretty bizarre Tribunal experience on a 602.01 charge (90 days, because the director of enforcement "didn't like me") I won in Federal Court.

Transport of course appealed, and I lost, representing myself in the Federal Court of Appeals. I did the best I could - I'm just a fricken airshow pilot. I had a multi-layered defense, which ended up with a decision from the Federal Court of Appeals on the applicability of Double Jeopardy.

Double Jeopardy is the concept that you can only be punished once for an offence. Transport argued that Double Jeopardy only applied in the context of CRIMINAL law, not ADMINISTRATIVE law.

So, I argued to the Federal Court of Appeals that Double Jeopardy SHOULD apply to administrative law. The scenario was a policeman pulling over a black man, and because the policemen didn't like black men, the cop writes 100 tickets for the same offence.

The Federal Court of Appeals sided with Transport, which I thought was pretty bad law. You decide.

Anyways, I had 84 days left to serve on the 602.01, so after the Federal Court of Appeals decision came out in December, I called up Transport to surrender my ATPL. They said we don't want it.

What?

Transport said the 84 days would come into effect for April, May and June of the following year.

I replied in writing that they weren't empowered by the Federal Court of Appeals decision to gerrymander the penalty. The appeal, and the timine of it was their choice.

Their reply: We're Transport, and we'll do whatever we want to.

Ok, I replied, but why April, May and June? If you want to shut me and my airshow team down (something they've been working very hard to do, for a long, long time) why not arbitrarily set the 84 days to be served in June, July and August? That would tank a season for us.

Only answer I ever got back was a smile.

I thought about this for a while, and got back to Transport and asked, Do you want me to try to do an airshow season with no practice? Are you intentionally trying to kill me and my team? Are you trying to engineer a fatal airshow accident?

Only answer I ever got back was a smile.

You decide - why did they choose April, May and June? It's hard for me to not conclude the obvious.

Now for the other side of the coin. I know the local Hell's Angel's chapter leader. A nice young man. He has never taken any money from me, or tried to kill me, which is more than I can say for Transport Canada.

Bitter? No. Cynical? You fucking betcha.
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Post by Rowdy »

gr8gazu wrote:
TC Guy wrote:


Don't take it personally though as you make a lot of valuble contribution and valid points and your input is appreciated by many. Even if you are from the dark side....... :D Like I have said in the past, TC has its good guys as well.

Come to the dark side.. we have Cookies!




I'll second that TC guy.. you provide some great insight and help on issues I'd like to hear of.

The problem here being that unwielding power corrupts those near the top. Perhaps these "special" people will soon retire and the younger more savvy and well adjusted TC folk will be more of a pleasure to deal with.
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Post by xsbank »

Hedley, I'm dying to know what started all your troubles and why you are so disliked by them? Care to share? Can you get a FAA license and fly in the US? I suppose you would have to be American registered though.
Are you really as evil as they say?
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twotter wrote:Mother Goose.. I'm so disappointed that you forgot me in your hillarious post.... I feel left out.. :(
Damn, do not know how I missed that. Probably too intrigued by all the other shit going down.....my apologies Twotter :)

It was a tongue in cheek post so I hope I did not offend anyone else except CID :wink:
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CID is probably out and about, but you can be sure he will return to his coffin when it gets light.
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Kinda hard to offend someone who wrongly believes he is right and the rest of the world is wrong... :roll:

I'm sure he'll just come back and do some more cut and paste quotes to try to impress himself.. :lol:
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Miss me already? Do you guys really crave that much attention?
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Are you really as evil as they say?
Gosh, sometimes I wish.

I'm not sure the facts really matter, but I'm a 3rd generation pilot (my grandfather and his brother flew in WWI, my father was a project/weapons test/instructor pilot on the CF-104, I was born at cold lake, I've been flying since I could walk) and FWIW I have never, in all the decades and thousands of hours that I've been flying, EVER so much as dented or scratched an aircraft.

When I was young, I was really naive. I believed that if I became the very best pilot I could be, and learned all the rules, and obeyed them, that I would be respected and would do well.

I was such an idiot.

If you have one (let alone two, let alone three, let alone four) beautiful, shiny high performance aircraft, and you spend the years it takes to really learn how to fly them well, you will polarize people into two groups: (1) your fans, and (2) people who are jealous of you.

Not everybody likes Bill Gates, either, and he earned every penny he has.

No one likes Martha Stewart, either. No one likes Conrad Black, either. The politics of envy, as they say.

The Australians have a marvellous saying: "cutting down tall poppies".

Contrast that with a local flight instructor I know. In the last year, he has:

(1) wrecked a homebuilt - he had NO business being in a tailwheel aircraft

(2) wiped the floats right off an ultralight during a "rough" landing

(3) ran out of gas and landed on a road. Completely destroyed. A miracle no one was hurt. Incredibly, he blamed it on the student, saying that the student wanted to do "another circuit".

I am not making this up.

If I had done ANY of the above at any point in my life, I wouldn't have a pilot's licence now - Transport would have seen to it.

But because this accident-prone flight instructor is VERY well connected to the power structure in Tower C, no charges are ever laid.

One of the Transport Inspectors - initials WF - that dislikes me so, and calls airshow operators threatening them that if they hire us, they won't get their SFOC - decided to share what he knows, and do some part-time tailwheel training on champs.

No electrical system. You can see where this is heading.

Of course, he hand-propped it with no one in the seat (violating CARs) and off it went, him hanging on the strut, going around in circles until it hit something and was destroyed.

Keep in mind this is the Transport Inspector that thinks I'm dangerous.

Of course, no charges were laid in that case, either, despite the complete destruction of the aircraft. Transport takes care of their own.
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" Transport takes care of their own. "

Regardless of what they do, even when they break the law they are protected.

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Hedley, you are absolutely correct, Transport does take care of their own. As an unrepresented group in General Aviation, it is in our best interest to do the same where warranted.

There are a number of those who don't agree with Cat's persistent bashing of top management at TC but this will eventually lead to a resolve.

If as a pilot, you have been unjustly treated by TC, you should take your battle upline as far as required though a Tribunal, the court system, letters of complaint to the top of TC including the Minister, your MP and the PM.

It is also your duty to assist others through any support you can provide.

If nothing else, you bring attention to issues and making it public helps to educate others that may be in a similar situation one day.

On, Tribunals, GET LEGAL COUNCIL!! At least have them educate you on the proccess and rules so there are no surprises.

On CID, I may have jumped the gun on accusing him of being "legaleagle604". A moderator has suggested it was a different individual so for that, I apologize CID.

Cheers, and keep fighting the good fight![/quote]
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It certainly seems as if TC needs to do some spring cleaning and chase the worms out of the wood.

We had a very similar situation in South Africa during the apartheid era when civil aviation was controlled by bureaucrats and corrupt civil servants within the confines of the Ministry of Transport. It was very difficult to get things done and it was a case of who you knew and not what you knew or how competent a pilot you were. A small group of the politically connected elite ran the show and basically everyone else, especially those outside general aviation suffered. The glider, ultralight, parachuting and homebuild guys had a hard time of it.

In 1995, the Ministry of Transport relinquished control over civil aviation and a new para-statal orgnisation with a revamped, younger, more aviation orientated mangement structure was formed and renamed the South African Civil Aviation Authority. To start, each particular aspect of aviation related activity got its own boss drawn in from the private sector to represent that specific activity and to then manage the function within the Civil Aviation Authority. What happened was that CAA became an organisation run by pilots for the pilots. User friendly new regulations, laws and directives were implemented to "encourage, boost and promote safe aviation" in the country. The CAA watchdog of the past was replaced by an organisation that went out of its way to facilitate aviation. The regional inspectors were instructed to encourage activities such as flight schools, air shows, home building and ultralighting by being less restrictive and more accommodating without disregarding safety.

The recent picture posted on this forum with regard to the SA harvard pilots skiing across a river is proof of this. Skydiving from ultralights and Pitts Specials is another example. Using flex wing ultralights for glider tow to save money is also allowed. High performance ultralights with max AUW of 1300 lbs, up to 120 hp engines and speeds that piss on C172`s are legally used for flight training (PPL, CPL and Instr rating). This has revolutionalized the flight schools in the country who now offer a cheaper PPL on an ultralight aircraft that runs on auto gas and consumes 3 gal an hour. This means that a microlight pilot licence will cost the equivalent of $2500 and a PPL only $4500.

These are just a few examples of what a semi private aviation authority has meant to the guys flying in SA. I am not saying that everything is perfect and there are contentious issues which is part of human nature. Now 10 years down the road, the SACAA is still committed to streamling aspects such aircrew administration and a new user friendly flight training syllabus to encourage interaction with the CAA. Generally, the organisation is living up to its promise of supporting and promoting aviation instead of stiffeling it and making it impossibly restrictive.

With Canada`s proud aviation history, wonderful diversity and strong flying industry, it sure looks as if it is your time for positive change.
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I found the SACAA to be very reasonable to deal with when it came to getting approval to do type rating training in South Africa.

So was the Australian CASA and here in Europe under JAR.

It would be an eye opener for Canadian flight schools to go have a look at how it is done in places like Lanseria or Cape Town.

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Hedley wrote: When I was young, I was really naive. I believed that if I became the very best pilot I could be, and learned all the rules, and obeyed them, that I would be respected and would do well.

I was such an idiot.
Yeah, I've got that t-shirt too.
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sammy wrote:Cat.... awhile back you refered to a report by a Sheila Bunita???? Am not sure if that's the right spelling . What was it pertaining to? Sammy
Underground.TC.CA - That Inspector
Underground.TC.CA - The Bonita Smith Report
Avcanada.ca - Questions for the Minister of Transport
Vertical Magazine - Just Conversation


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Hedley wrote:
One of the Transport Inspectors - initials WF - that dislikes me so, and calls airshow operators threatening them that if they hire us, they won't get their SFOC - decided to share what he knows, and do some part-time tailwheel training on champs.

No electrical system. You can see where this is heading.

Of course, he hand-propped it with no one in the seat (violating CARs) and off it went, him hanging on the strut, going around in circles until it hit something and was destroyed.

Keep in mind this is the Transport Inspector that thinks I'm dangerous.

Of course, no charges were laid in that case, either, despite the complete destruction of the aircraft. Transport takes care of their own.


That must have been funny! Now I would have paid money to watch that!! :lol: :lol:
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I wonder if rail workers and people in the marine industry have this much beef with transport too. Is it just aviation?
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Thanks for posting those links CD.

If Mr. Huggett is still interested in obtaining a real sledge hammer to pound home just how morally corrupt the top management is in Transport Canada Civil Aviation he need go no further than the origional Bonita Smith Report.

Bonita was asked to write a report on the inner workings of TCCA M&M in Vancouver, this was driven mostly by the way they did several of their own people in the Pacific Region.

I would suggest that you will not need a legal opinion to come to the conclusion that there is a level of dishonesty and what could be considered criminal behaviour by several top level management in the Pacific Region of TCCA.

The Bonita Smith report will only wet your appetite for the report on exactly what these people did to several of their own who obviously did not fit into the mold of the good old boys club that is Transport Canada Civil Aviation under the leadership of the present DGCA.

I would suggest that if we as a society condone morally corrupt employees in a government regulatory body the whole concept of a fair and just oversite and regulation of aviation is not possible and the system falls apart.

I'm still waiting for that call from someone with the power to actually do something to expose this decay at the top.

Remember I can get some of TC's own officials to testify to the truth of my allegations.

...all these people need is assurance that they will be protected and not destroyed as has been the experience of anyone who dares to try and expose the moral decay at the top of TCCA.

I hope to return to Canada sometime in the next week or two and have more time to communcate on this.

NOTE:

Mr. Huggett, if you can show that there is systemic corruption in the department that was overseeing the operation that resulted in the tragic accident that resulted in you having to search for the truth, it opens a whole new line of questions...such as what could have motivated TCCA to act in the manner in which they did?

Maybe some monetary or power trip gain? For who?


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Hedley. Bravo for speaking up. Some of us cannot because of reprisals to others besides ourselves. I will eventually tell my story.

TC Guy. Bravo to you too. Everyone keeps saying there are decent, communative and helpful people at TC. Continue to be one of those.
You really are appreciated, believe me, like others of the same ilk.

gr8gazu. You are right. However, the industry needs a watchdog association that will speak in a collective manner to the problems and get attention (from the media if that is the only means to spark action.) Cat alone does not cut it on National TV, he needs a dozen committed people standing at his shoulder.

None of us will get anywhere until we do this and I am willing to submit my membership fee and evidence tomorrow.

Spread the word!!!! Let's follow the South African example. It is OUR industry!!!!!
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