Canjet pilots and a Union??

[737 Mech]

737 Mech wrote " Well lets get a few facts posted first before you leave it on that note....

-IMP is building a GIANT hangar on taxiway Juilet and will be ready for aircraft use by october

-and then CanJet will reclaim the entire hangar (3 bays) when it is complete

-we will share the #2 bay with IMP till the new hangar is built ...not lose it all together like you say.

I would like to add some info to the contrary:

- The bay has been empty ever since last week and CanJet is not allowed to use it. I think that means we lost it.
- When has a large hanger ever been built and moved into within 6 months? I would look for this time next year for completion. The ground has not been turned and the construction contract has not been awarded.
- I would play wait and see before you say CanJet will get the entire hanger. There is always alot of room in the #3 bay for a couple Sea Kings...


Just a couple cents from someone else in the know....

"Someone else in the know"...well then I know nothing...I guess working IN the hangar everyday doesn't help, of course I've been away for 8 days lots could have happened since then. and as for moving into the new hangar , the longest part of the set up process is waiting for the concrete to be layed...the rest takes only 2-3 months of steel work , we were told the hangar would be ready for aircraft storage in Oct. and full office use in Dec.

[mocktuck]

No weekends of for three months in a row. I hope that the management can sleep at nights. It appears that some pilots are calling thier bluff....
When MZ says "if you don't like it you can go elsewhere..." some are leaving. Three this month... more to follow. That brings the total into double digits. Westjet has not lost that many and they are almost 10 times larger. That says something. Love it here but here goes the resume!

[po'dcjer]

i'm sure they will be able to sleep at night, their the only ones with the weekends off ....this is crap...

[wrc]

decided to check WestJet's tally and its at 4 resignations (although that might be over a few months as they tend to stay on the roaster a while.
1 Captain and 3 F/Os. I don't know any of them but I think I heard the Captain went back to Cathay. I would guess the F/Os went to AC but I'm not sure. Not too bad for 650+ pilots.

[po'dcjer]

[quote="wrc"]decided to check WestJet's tally and its at 4 resignations...

that's not bad, we average about that a month...z says "we'll always lose some to greener pastures", thats because our grass is yellow, from being pissed on from management so much....to bad....thanks for the info though...

[Anti HR]

Hey guys, I thought you may want to know that CanJet HR is reading these posts. They have been asking around trying to find out who is posting.

[abc xyz]

so are you trying to intimidate people into not speaking their minds about their companys perceived short comings. dialogue is always healthy. if HR doesnt like what they are reading maybe they should work with their employees to find a comprimise that both parties would benefit from.

you can thank me later for saving Canjet money in retraining costs

[wrc]

OK, here's the cast,

Mr Lahey - KR
Randy- JM
Cory- MZ
Trevor- MM

You can pick Ricky, Julian & Bubbles

[TML07]

I know three guys in the Maint. Dept. that fit those personalities..............................Julian Ricky Bubbles

[the_skipper]

Thats just incredible.

[green bastard]

Canjet /IMP are not used to people having opinions on a public forum. It is embarassing that HR is watching this when they allready had this information internally, yet they failed to use it in a positive manner in the work place. Grow up and get on with the job of running an Airline and making it a place people will want to work hard for. The company is missing the boat on the "cool ade drinking" touchy-feely free stuff that motivates people. Its not a new concept, and it works well.

[cyyz]

Grow up and get on with the job of running an Airline and making it a place people will want to work hard for. The company is missing the boat on the "cool ade drinking" touchy-feely free stuff that motivates people. Its not a new concept, and it works well.

Umm, weren't you guys seeking the union BEFORE the free peanuts were taken off the menu??? Seems like you guys were complaining before you had all your perks taken away...

Free nuts and pop or the limitation of said items will not be the demise of an airline...

[green bastard]

cyyz. You should walk a mile in a mans shoes before you cast jugdment. You dont seem to know much about this subject yet you post a lot of crap, go back to flipping burgs at Mc D's.

[195psi]

Free nuts and pop or the limitation of said items will not be the demise of an airline...

You obviously miss the point CYYZ. It's a morale, mutual respect and understanding of a long crew day thing. Your right about the above not sinking an airline, it's the consequences of those actions and subsequent mood, attitude and tension it creates that sinks it.

[the_skipper]

Yes, The whole "missing nuts" issue won't sink the ship, and I do think some of the postees are miss-informed. Green B. made the best point. HR reading these forums is and should be a sign of how things are run, embarassing is perfect. It's not for a lack of employees speaking their issues, but a lack of the company really listening. And for the most part miss management of certain departments. (I think we all know which ones they are) I bet they would rather spend half a million finding out who is writing these posts than just giving the money to their employees. Or getting a couple free things just to keep them happy. OLD SCHOOL is no longer effective, but what do you tell the oldest school in town. 195psi says mood, attitude, tension... all existed after the first year promises were broken.

[ehbuddy]

When the day is done and Canjet has finally ceased operations we can all look forward to the next Canadian Airline discussion thread with both Ken Rowe and Mike LeBlanc teaming up together and charging a 40k training bond.

And I bet they will have a thousand resumes' to choose from!

[cyyz]

both Ken Rowe and Mike LeBlanc teaming up together and charging a 40k training bond.

And I bet they will have a thousand resumes' to choose from!

Exactly....

I bet they would rather spend half a million finding out who is writing these posts than just giving the money to their employees.

Maybe the employees should tell someone in HR their problems, instead of posting them here... Most places have "committees" and "teams" for these sort of things.....

It's a morale, mutual respect and understanding of a long crew day thing. it's the consequences of those actions and subsequent mood, attitude and tension it creates that sinks it.

The mood, so the captains will transfer out and go work for 24k at A/C, the f/o's will continue to complain that they're not being upgraded and DE's are being hired....

You guys should atleast set your priorities straight, peanuts, pay, respect and upgrades.... It's evident what you guys want....

Even if they gave you a full course meal your F/O's will continue to complain about being passed up, and your captains will continue to complain about pay....

Think an F/A said it best in another thread, "pilots, that's all they do is complain."

Didn't the PanAm guys have the "world," weren't they "living the dream?" Those days are done, but you're right, it's the mood and the hopes of the past that will be the death of the corporation..

[mocktuck]

Three years of negative employee surveys to such a point that they tried to bury the last bunch and not release them until pressed on the issue. Not so much as a whisper from management and when the transition from 200 to 500 came around it was required that the crews work to less than 10 days off.... instead of hiring the extra pilots to get thru the hard times they changed the conditions of employment (removed the word "guaranteed" 10 days off!) without consulting the employee group at all. It is these unilateral decisions that make the average joe wonder just how far they will go if they are not given some ground rules about how much they can abuse the workers. A union .... "Say it isn't so!" If the powers that be did not see this coming then they must have their heads firmly planted in the sand or they see an opportunity to milk an employee group for a while.

A cleaning of house is required from the top dog right down to the training dept (lest some recent additions... finally some sanity!). It is not a lost cause but there must be a complete paradigm shift or a decent contract to make sure that they cannot take advantage. Unfortunately, it appears the contract route is the frontrunner. I would like to see a future here, as we have some great people and it would be sad to see them scattered around the globe. I just hope KR sees the light. ( I can't believe I said that!!??)

[ehbuddy]

If you look at what happened to Air Atlantic under the helm of Rowe and how easily he let Canjet 1 become a part of C3 I am totally surprised as to why people want to work for him.

The sad part is.............many of the former Air Atlantic employee's are damn decent folk and have tried pretty hard to make Canjet a great operation but no matter how good your wagon is, it becomes impossible to pull it when you have a 2 legged horse leading it!

horse........or something that looks like one...........

[cyyz]

many of the former Air Atlantic employee's are damn decent folk and have tried pretty hard to make Canjet a great operation but no matter how good your wagon is, it becomes impossible to pull it when you have a 2 legged horse leading it!..

I like the way you said that.. =)

[green bastard]

The fish rots from the head down. KR, JG or MZ. You choose.

[SYT_YYZ]

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[ivanhoe]

Potential Market Opportunity in Atlantic Canada

In the past we have surmised that market conditions could begin to apply significant pressure to CanJet , and recent developments would seem to support this hypothesis. Canjet , owned by IMP's Kenneth Rowe , currently flys a fleet of 10 737-500 aircraft and captures 3-5% of the domestic market.

We believe that Canjet has been or shortly will be facing significant headwinds including , unionisation , increased Atlantic Canada competition , and soaring fuel prices.

We believe the cancellation of its western routes indicate that headwinds may be catching up with CanJet , supported by our discussions with industry participants. We believe IMP Group , unlike many other players that have flown Canadian skies , is a rational player in the market with economics , not ego , ultimately deciding its fate. As a result we believe that CanJet could begin looking for an exit from the market.

While WestJet could aquire CanJet , we believe CanJet's fleet , which is non-homogenous with WestJet's NG's , diminishes the probability of such a transaction.

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The above is a condensation of a report by National Bank Financial.

Take it for what you think it's worth.

[flyin' fish]

you know, I think I'm going to give up this flying rackett and become an airline analyst. You don't have to be right or accurate, just give an approximate estimate and make lots of money. Plus people just seem to listen to anything that makes the papers.
Yeah, airline analyst......I like the sound of that

[ehbuddy]

The sad part about the aviation industry is that its always very easy to predict the future based on the common mistakes that failed airlines have made in the past.

Its like mixing baking soda with vinegar.........