SMS Check Ride?
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SMS Check Ride?
My company has informed me that I am to do a SMS check ride and wondering if anyone has heard of that. When I asked the chief pilot he told me that TC is getting out of PPC's and that they are know going to do SMS rides. I asked again and he said that I have to explain everything that is suppose to happen during a ride in detail and then privide explainations on my actions. Has anyone else heard of this?
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Cat Driver
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Hmmmm...
" I asked again and he said that I have to explain everything that is suppose to happen during a ride in detail and then privide explainations on my actions. Has anyone else heard of this? "
Sounds pretty vauge to me, and leaves open the door to subjective testing.
But hell this is the new age of aviation and soon all us old timers who didn't know SFA will be gone and the safety record will get better and better as all these new systems are put in place.
No more depending on luck as the factor that allowed people like us to fly for decades and tens of thousands of hours accident free.
Enjoy it because you will now be safe.
What would really cement this safety culture is to carry around a little bag of chicken bones and entrails mixed in ashes to perform a SAFETY VOO DOO ceremony before departure...lets see if TC reads all these innovative ideas and puts them into use.
Hey TC don't forget who came up with this idea.....
Cat...the SMS master.
Cat
" I asked again and he said that I have to explain everything that is suppose to happen during a ride in detail and then privide explainations on my actions. Has anyone else heard of this? "
Sounds pretty vauge to me, and leaves open the door to subjective testing.
But hell this is the new age of aviation and soon all us old timers who didn't know SFA will be gone and the safety record will get better and better as all these new systems are put in place.
No more depending on luck as the factor that allowed people like us to fly for decades and tens of thousands of hours accident free.
Enjoy it because you will now be safe.
What would really cement this safety culture is to carry around a little bag of chicken bones and entrails mixed in ashes to perform a SAFETY VOO DOO ceremony before departure...lets see if TC reads all these innovative ideas and puts them into use.
Hey TC don't forget who came up with this idea.....
Cat...the SMS master.
Cat
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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Cat Driver
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Yeh, Doc.
I am going to do something I seldom do, I will share some truly secret knowledge I learned during my time in Benin in Africa, Benin is the birth place of Voo Doo rituals if you were not aware.
Doc the secrets are hidden in the chcken bones, entrails and ashes in the magic pouch.
But first you must know how to read them, and that is where I am ahead of all you poor bastards who have never been to Benin.
I have been taught how to read them.
Cat
I am going to do something I seldom do, I will share some truly secret knowledge I learned during my time in Benin in Africa, Benin is the birth place of Voo Doo rituals if you were not aware.
Doc the secrets are hidden in the chcken bones, entrails and ashes in the magic pouch.
But first you must know how to read them, and that is where I am ahead of all you poor bastards who have never been to Benin.
I have been taught how to read them.
Cat
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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Cat Driver
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Doc.....
....if you are interested in getting into my new "Spirit Factors" PDM course that I am setting up the secret is in the "sticks" without the magic sticks to stir the ingredients it is impossible to read anything.
I have some magic sticks that I was given during my conversion to Voo Doo during my stay in Africa.
If you are interested in being trained in reading and teaching this magic I can for a price sell you a stick and teach you how to read the chicken bones, entrails and ashes.
Fu.k the TC Voo Doo why not learn the real thing.
Your friend.
Cat Driver
....if you are interested in getting into my new "Spirit Factors" PDM course that I am setting up the secret is in the "sticks" without the magic sticks to stir the ingredients it is impossible to read anything.
I have some magic sticks that I was given during my conversion to Voo Doo during my stay in Africa.
If you are interested in being trained in reading and teaching this magic I can for a price sell you a stick and teach you how to read the chicken bones, entrails and ashes.
Fu.k the TC Voo Doo why not learn the real thing.
Your friend.
Cat Driver
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
Hotelmode
Are you working for a private corporate operator?
A couple of years ago Transport Canada handed responsibility for issuing OC's for private operators over to the CBAA. These private operators must develop an operations manual using the SMS principles to identify their specific risks and tailor their training and operations accordingly. It is the CBAA that conducts a paper audit on these operators now, not TC. It also means that TC does not conduct PPC's on these operators pilots. The Chief Pilot is solely responsible for ensuring his pilots meet their company's specific standards.
It sounds as if your Chief Pilot doesn't really know how to go about doing that and is making it up as he goes along.
Are you working for a private corporate operator?
A couple of years ago Transport Canada handed responsibility for issuing OC's for private operators over to the CBAA. These private operators must develop an operations manual using the SMS principles to identify their specific risks and tailor their training and operations accordingly. It is the CBAA that conducts a paper audit on these operators now, not TC. It also means that TC does not conduct PPC's on these operators pilots. The Chief Pilot is solely responsible for ensuring his pilots meet their company's specific standards.
It sounds as if your Chief Pilot doesn't really know how to go about doing that and is making it up as he goes along.
SMS is Safety Management System. TC is turning all rides over to ACCPs or Approved Company Check Pilots. Sounds like some wires got crossed somewheres!!
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Scuba_Steve
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SMS and checkrides? I don't get the connection
I'm writing my company SMS manual, and while it does deal with aviation specific safety issues, or at least is suposed to once complete. It doesn't anywhere to my knowledge involve ride specific training.
Like are you suposed to fill out a hazard report for every malfunction that happens on your ride (simulated) then have the safety officer action it and reply withing 7 days and perform his followup investigation with risk assement forms completed for a percieved new risk? Then assign a tracking number to all of the documents and track them for 5 years?
Maybe there is something new I haven't seen yet, or maybe they just want you to write a SMS exam to show recurrent training, which is what I'm in the middle of doing now.
Have fun, this whole SMS system is quite vague, I can't wait to see accident rates go down because poeple like me spent many hours doing up a document that TC doesn't even want to see when its completed...
I could litterally have a document with 40 pages of " work safe' written on it and say "our company is SMS compliant" there is no way (yet) for TC to verify it.
Cheers
I'm writing my company SMS manual, and while it does deal with aviation specific safety issues, or at least is suposed to once complete. It doesn't anywhere to my knowledge involve ride specific training.
Like are you suposed to fill out a hazard report for every malfunction that happens on your ride (simulated) then have the safety officer action it and reply withing 7 days and perform his followup investigation with risk assement forms completed for a percieved new risk? Then assign a tracking number to all of the documents and track them for 5 years?
Maybe there is something new I haven't seen yet, or maybe they just want you to write a SMS exam to show recurrent training, which is what I'm in the middle of doing now.
Have fun, this whole SMS system is quite vague, I can't wait to see accident rates go down because poeple like me spent many hours doing up a document that TC doesn't even want to see when its completed...
I could litterally have a document with 40 pages of " work safe' written on it and say "our company is SMS compliant" there is no way (yet) for TC to verify it.
Cheers
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Cat Driver
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Scuba _Steve:
If you want I could sell you one of my " Magic Sticks" and train you in how to read the ingredients you are examining...
...you could maybe try and read CAR's with the "Magic Stick" and then share the results with us, so we also can understand CAR's?
Cat
If you want I could sell you one of my " Magic Sticks" and train you in how to read the ingredients you are examining...
...you could maybe try and read CAR's with the "Magic Stick" and then share the results with us, so we also can understand CAR's?
Cat
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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Cat Driver
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Doc don't worry "Magic Sticks" can be produced by a Doctor of Voo Doo as they get their magic by being blessed by a Voo Doo Doctor.
So when I offer them to others they will have the " Magic " powers that allows you to read stuff...
Unlike what you now do for a living us practicioners of Voo Doo Magic are not someones employees but a Doctor of Divinity of the occult.
By the way religion like work also brings in money...lots of it if you get a big enough flock to fleece. And of course its tax free among other things.
I also have Voo Doo dolls with magic pins that you can have made to repersent an enemy or a bureaucrat ( the same thing...an enemy. ) all you need do is stick the pins in the doll and your enemy will suffer grevious harm...you could also use it on some of the Avcanada posters that annoy you.
So cheer up, I still wish to help you.
Cat....Dr. of the occult.
So when I offer them to others they will have the " Magic " powers that allows you to read stuff...
Unlike what you now do for a living us practicioners of Voo Doo Magic are not someones employees but a Doctor of Divinity of the occult.
By the way religion like work also brings in money...lots of it if you get a big enough flock to fleece. And of course its tax free among other things.
I also have Voo Doo dolls with magic pins that you can have made to repersent an enemy or a bureaucrat ( the same thing...an enemy. ) all you need do is stick the pins in the doll and your enemy will suffer grevious harm...you could also use it on some of the Avcanada posters that annoy you.
So cheer up, I still wish to help you.
Cat....Dr. of the occult.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
