* Apprentice AME Question(s) Thread *

FreaKy_DeaKy · Post by **FreaKy_DeaKy** » Fri May 05, 2006 7:10 am

so I'm doing "Riggng" in class right now, what's up with the rigging tools you have to fabricate? why wouldn't Piper have made and sold them with the aircraft? just wondering.

anyone know of some study & reference's that's Canadian material web?

I know in Canada it's all based from the A&P Textbooks(other than CARS)
I found the A&P question bank on the FAA websaite but that's about it.

FreaKy_DeaKy · Post by **FreaKy_DeaKy** » Wed May 10, 2006 6:14 am

In preperation for an interview is it SOP for a company to ask questions regarding CARS, Maintenance Pratices, etc. during the interview to test skill/knowledge?

longjon · Post by **longjon** » Wed May 10, 2006 8:09 am

I tend to look at a persons hands, if they have calouses from work and maybe dirt under the nails then they probably know how to turn a wrench and have interest in working.

You can know CARS till the cows come home but it doesn't mean I'd hire you to work for me.

FreaKy_DeaKy · Post by **FreaKy_DeaKy** » Wed May 10, 2006 8:32 am

longjon wrote:I tend to look at a persons hands, if they have calouses from work and maybe dirt under the nails then they probably know how to turn a wrench and have interest in working.

You can know CARS till the cows come home but it doesn't mean I'd hire you to work for me.

well if they've got dirty hands they already have a job.
I was talking about an apprentice interview so generally there hands would be clean. It's not that hard to turn a wrench, and people who want a job generaly want to work. I'd probably not want to work for you.

Riverman · Post by **Riverman** » Thu May 11, 2006 2:18 am

I'd probably not want to work for you

Right on, Brother!

FreaKy_DeaKy · Post by **FreaKy_DeaKy** » Thu May 11, 2006 4:14 am

wrenchturner · Post by **wrenchturner** » Mon May 15, 2006 3:37 pm

FreaKy_DeaKy wrote:
longjon wrote:I tend to look at a persons hands, if they have calouses from work and maybe dirt under the nails then they probably know how to turn a wrench and have interest in working.

You can know CARS till the cows come home but it doesn't mean I'd hire you to work for me.
well if they've got dirty hands they already have a job.
I was talking about an apprentice interview so generally there hands would be clean. It's not that hard to turn a wrench, and people who want a job generaly want to work. I'd probably not want to work for you.

That kind of attitude would raise an alarm bell for me. You can finish school top of your class, but that doesn't mean you're going to make a good AME. The schools don't teach common sense, and thanks to government subsidies, they can't justify failing anybody. It's hard to find a job fresh out of college, and when you do, you're going to have to bust your ass to prove yourself. Remember, this is a very small industry, and your reputation is everything.

longjon · Post by **longjon** » Mon May 15, 2006 6:10 pm

I was on a maintenance initial with 2 of the Lamb brothers from Lambair if anyone remembers the company and in conversation they said they liked to hire farm boys as apprentices (long before school was mandated) as they grew up fixing things and in general made good Engineers.

This is what I was getting at. If you grew up playing computer games and your bud grew up earning extra cash repairing bicycles then moved on to cycles and autos he has a more saleable mechanical ability/interest.

Looking at the hands is one way of getting an idea of what a person does even if you are a student.

It is a small industry so don't burn your bridges before you even get into the field.

FreaKy_DeaKy · Post by **FreaKy_DeaKy** » Tue May 16, 2006 10:16 am

wrenchturner

I totally agree with you. It is a very small industry and reputation is everything. I know you can do well in school and not have a clue when it comes to being in front lines. I know my work ethic and know that I'm going to do very well when I get out of school. I'm a pilot as well as an ame apprentice that knows safety is the most important aspect in aviation.

In the earlier posts I was just trying to get some advice for an interview but it turned into something else.

wrenchturner & longjon
thanks for the advice.

longjon · Post by **longjon** » Tue May 16, 2006 11:25 am

Ya gotta have a positive attitude and it sounds like you do.

Its a good industry no matter what you read in some of these posts so enjoy.

wrenchturner · Post by **wrenchturner** » Tue May 16, 2006 12:07 pm

I agree with Longjon. Sure it can get frustrating at times, but there's nothing else I'd rather do. Good luck to all you new apprentices

J.P.WISER · Post by **J.P.WISER** » Tue May 16, 2006 2:09 pm

longjon wrote:I was on a maintenance initial with 2 of the Lamb brothers from Lambair

That must make you like 100 years old, just kidding but that is going back, way back before me even but everything you said is prety much true. You can read a book 1000 times and have it down to the T but if you can't put it to practice then your beat before you start.

I was ask things like what did I do as a kid, ie taking things apart and puting them back together lawnmoer and bikes and so one. Also the guy picked up 3 or 4 things off his desk and ask the thickness of the items like a paper clip and a nail file, common sense items he wanted to know about judgement of size witch is a very big part of the job. I didn't have the top mark in my class but I feel that I have the experience to back up the knowledge that I do have. Worked for the same guy now for over ten years and he has not ever regreted hirering me.

tiny · Post by **tiny** » Tue May 16, 2006 5:28 pm

As for why the AC manufacturer doesn't make rig pins, actually many of them do but there way to expensive to purchase unless you work for the gov

so most folks make there own

FreaKy_DeaKy · Post by **FreaKy_DeaKy** » Wed May 17, 2006 7:40 am

Very true I'd bet they are very expensive...lol..

FreaKy_DeaKy · Post by **FreaKy_DeaKy** » Wed May 17, 2006 7:42 am

J.P.WISER wrote:
longjon wrote:I was on a maintenance initial with 2 of the Lamb brothers from Lambair
I was ask things like what did I do as a kid, ie taking things apart and puting them back together lawnmoer and bikes and so one. Also the guy picked up 3 or 4 things off his desk and ask the thickness of the items like a paper clip and a nail file, common sense items he wanted to know about judgement of size witch is a very big part of the job. I didn't have the top mark in my class but I feel that I have the experience to back up the knowledge that I do have. Worked for the same guy now for over ten years and he has not ever regreted hirering me.

I'm just really excited to get out there and work my ass off to become another great part of this industry and everything it stands for.

chowda · Post by **chowda** » Wed May 17, 2006 11:23 am

work my ass off to become another great part of this industry and everything it stands for.

somebody pinch him.....

FreaKy_DeaKy · Post by **FreaKy_DeaKy** » Thu May 18, 2006 6:10 am

lol....yeah yeah

ramp_rat · Post by **ramp_rat** » Thu May 18, 2006 9:29 am

FreaKy_DeaKy wrote:
longjon wrote:I tend to look at a persons hands, if they have calouses from work and maybe dirt under the nails then they probably know how to turn a wrench and have interest in working.

You can know CARS till the cows come home but it doesn't mean I'd hire you to work for me.
well if they've got dirty hands they already have a job.
I was talking about an apprentice interview so generally there hands would be clean. It's not that hard to turn a wrench, and people who want a job generaly want to work. I'd probably not want to work for you.

hey freaky_deaky, from what i've read about the posts from longjon, if he's a boss, i won't work for him now, but if he's just another wrenchturner, then i'd put up with him 'til i get my license!! I worked with a guy, he had a position, who knows so much about this particular plane, but when it comes to attitude, you would feel like you wanna stick a pick up his butt. I had put up with him, but I work for a better company now, the guys are fun to work with, positive attitude most of the time, even the bosses are cool. Dont get me wrong, I dunno who is longjon in real person, he could be a good guy too, and he sounds like he's got the old timer mentality. He's right about you should hire guys with common sense, that is probably the number one optional rule to hire someone, but there is always a 3 or 6 months of probation for that. About guys with mechanic hands, or "farm boys" as he said, if i'm a boss you can't really tell who is a good apprentice to hire or not. Someone can be a book worm in school but really a bone head when it comes to common sense. But dont worry about it, like what they said, aviation is not that big, they'll know you if you are a good one or not!!!!

FreaKy_DeaKy · Post by **FreaKy_DeaKy** » Fri May 19, 2006 6:11 am

I agree. At the same time I respect what anyone tells me in this industry. Weather there green or old timers.Every little peice of infromation I find helps alot in building experince in all subjects from aircraft type to tool control topics. I love aviation and think it's a great in so many ways. thanks for your input ramprat.

Fox 3 · Post by **Fox 3** » Thu May 25, 2006 7:45 pm

One thing to note when looking for a job. The best thing (in my experiance) you can do is get one of those Aviation directory books and start looking through for places you want to work. Then apply, and do the classic follow up call in about 3 days. I have had my best luck with cold calls...the places that are not advertising...the company I'm at now has hired the last 6 people from cold calls, me included. And they actually did a phone interview with me, I lived in Ontario and they are in Alberta. Tell them you are planning on moving regardless, it's just a matter of where. Of course now that i'm licensed work is coming to me...and I don't even want it!!! People are calling me out of the blue asking me to go work for them. I love the place I work so I'm not going anywhere.

Hope that helps.

FreaKy_DeaKy · Post by **FreaKy_DeaKy** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 4:12 pm

Anyone know of apprentice jobs in Halifax this summer???

I really want work. I applied to four places on friday following up with calls tomorrow. wish me luck.