AC Cruiser Position

q400 · Post by **q400** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 5:04 am

Can anyone tell me as a cruiser at Air Canada on the 340, 767 etc...

First do you get a full type rating?? and second what time do you put in your logbook??

Thanks

TFE731 · Post by **TFE731** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 9:54 am

No it's not a type rating. BUT, I have heard that should you get furloughed from AC in the future, you are given a fresh type rating on the aircraft you were currently flying before you go out the door. As for the logging of hours, I can't answer that quite yet as I haven't made it that far just yet! I would assume it's the time you are sitting in the seat.

Jaques Strappe · Post by **Jaques Strappe** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:06 am

You are basically considered a Second Officer. The Captain along with the F/O are logging the entire flight. When the company tracks your times, it does not distinguish bunk time.

Dockjock · Post by **Dockjock** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 11:20 am

A buddy who recently got hired and will be going 767 dozer said that AC is changing over from giving full type ratings to dozers to just doing 2 days of training. I think he said dozers will only be trained for a rapid depressurization and an emergency descent and nothing else?
IF that's the case Jacques, in your estimation which would be better 'protection' in case of a layoff- an EMJ type rating or just that dozer training? Not sure but seems like without a full type rating or any logged hours, getting contract work would be quite difficult.
Just wondering.

asdfasd · Post by **asdfasd** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 1:43 pm

It shouldn’t matter what you put in your log book. If you're at AC, you should be there for life, meaning you want as little in your log book as possible (you don’t need to chase time to get a better job).

TFE731 · Post by **TFE731** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:15 pm

KFCpilot wrote:It shouldn’t matter what you put in your log book. If you're at AC, you should be there for life, meaning you want as little in your log book as possible (you don’t need to chase time to get a better job).

Yes KFC, of course that's what we all want. But unfortunately we can not plan when a huge downturn and layoff occurs in our futures can we?!

spm · Post by **spm** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 3:37 pm

dockjock,

What did your friend mean by 2 days training. The 340 RPs get 7 sim sessions total where as a F/O would get something like 11. Alot more training than just RD and ED. Plus your IFR is renewed so approaches will definately be covered. And I have also heard that before they layoff RPs that they give you a full type rating. And I heard the RPs that were laid off during the last round had no trouble finding work. If you have the choice, choose what you will enjoy the most. And, you may not have a choice.

SPM

Lost in Saigon · Post by **Lost in Saigon** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 8:08 pm

Cruise Relief Pilots do get a type rating on the applicable aircraft. Problem is, it is only valid for the cruise portion of the flight. It is possible to apply to TC to have the CRP rating converted to a full type rating but there are some conditions attached. Basically you will need to do a full FO ride.

Air Canada flights that depart with a Cruise Relief Pilot do so because he is a required member of the crew. Without him the flight can not operate.

Therefore I believe that he should log ALL OF IT just as the Captain and First Officer do... Just log it in a different column.

Dockjock · Post by **Dockjock** » Sun Jun 18, 2006 10:00 pm

spm,
My understanding was that this would be a change from the way that AC has done it in the past. To be implemented as of the next course of cruisers, so probably next month? As a way of saving on training costs...
I know sketchy details, but just wondering.

Inverted2 · Post by **Inverted2** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 5:51 am

If you get on with AC, who gives a crap whether you can log it or not!!! Just sit there and enjoy.

tonysoprano · Post by **tonysoprano** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:46 am

prop2jet · Post by **prop2jet** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:59 am

Already on at AC and worried about the next round of lay offs? I think I would have to agree, enjoy where you are and what you happen to be on and deal with what happens when it happens. If you think an ERJ rating has any value elsewhere in Canada it does not, however the experience you have does - the same can be said for your time spent as an RP.

Martin Tamme · Post by **Martin Tamme** » Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:35 am

Dockjock wrote:spm,
My understanding was that this would be a change from the way that AC has done it in the past. To be implemented as of the next course of cruisers, so probably next month? As a way of saving on training costs...
I know sketchy details, but just wondering.

AQP started on the B767 two weeks ago. However, it is only approved for Captains and F/Os. RPs will still have to do PPCs, which will primarily consist of doing the high-dive.

TFE731 · Post by **TFE731** » Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:14 am

prop2jet wrote:Already on at AC and worried about the next round of lay offs? I think I would have to agree, enjoy where you are and what you happen to be on and deal with what happens when it happens. If you think an ERJ rating has any value elsewhere in Canada it does not, however the experience you have does - the same can be said for your time spent as an RP.

Please don't construe my outlook as I am enjoying every minute of it thus far. I think it's natural for many, no matter what kind of job they hold, to always be on gaurd when it comes to their future and job security in this industry. Nevertheless, when you do find something that you enjoy, stick with it, make the most of it, and hope that nothing shall alter the course that it provides you.