Recommend that Air Canada Support Junior Soaring!

LibbyNordman · Post by **LibbyNordman** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 4:00 pm

Hello,

My name is Libby Nordman, I'm a Winnipeg based Air Canada Flight Attendant.

My son, currently an IFR ATC Trainee, is part of the Canadian Junior Soaring Team - http://www.juniorpilots.ca

This team is always looking for funding to help young people become more involved in soaring and aviation across the country.

Because of the recent Westjet / Air Canada settlement, Air Canada employees have a chance to help these enthusiastic young people fly higher than ever!

Air Canada and WestJet litigation settlement donation: employees can nominate children's charities of their choice. As reported in The Daily a few weeks ago, in the recent litigation settlement between Air Canada and WestJet, $10 million will be donated to children's charities, chosen in part by ACE. $1.5 million has been earmarked to be distributed to charities recommended by employees.
The deadline for your recommendation is fast approaching! Please remember to include the following information along with your recommendation:

- Your name, employee number, coordinates (including email address, phone number, etc.)
- The full name and coordinates of the children's charities, as well as a contact name at the charity
- The organization's registered charitable number
- Focus and activities of the charity
- A description of your involvement with this charity (as a volunteer or recipient of services/support, etc.)

I will be nominating this group for funding on July 3rd. If you are an Air Canada employee and would like to add your name to our recommendation, please contact us at: nordstar@mts.net

More information can be found here:

http://soaringcanada.riq.ca/viewtopic.php?t=1341

Thanks very much!

Libby

McDoo the Irish Navigator · Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:00 pm

Lady are you for real? Nevermind answering, I know you are. How typically self centred of an Air Canada employee to want to take money earmarked for needy children and squander it on the children of the rich.
A soaring club? Why not the local yacht club, or golf course?
Unbelievable.
Do a quick google search of "children's charities"+canada and you'll quickly find where the money is really needed.

2low · Post by **2low** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:05 pm

I am officially ashamed to be a part of Air Canada.

LibbyNordman · Post by **LibbyNordman** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:16 pm

McDoo the Irish Navigator wrote:How typically self centred of an Air Canada employee to want to take money earmarked for needy children and squander it on the children of the rich.

Actually, the idea is to make soaring accessible to young people of all financial backgrounds.

I'm not rich. Neither is my son.

The young people that make up the team are privileged but are not 'rich kids 'by any means... they are regular young people fighting to make their way in a sport that means something to them.

I have seen the positive impact of this group first hand and I just hope that with some limited financial support, these programs can continue to allow more young people to know what soaring is really about.

As for Air Canada employees, throughout my 34 years with the company, I've been consistently impressed with the generosity of my colleagues. You have a serious chip on your shoulder.

The team is assisted by a registered charity, Youth Flight Canada. You may learn more about them here:

http://www.youthflight.ca/

flyindude · Post by **flyindude** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:32 pm

toolow_flaps wrote:I am officially ashamed to be a part of Air Canada.

But your avatar is f**king amazing!

flyindude · Post by **flyindude** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:34 pm

BTW, never trust anyone named Libby.

2low · Post by **2low** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 5:59 pm

I LOVE it as well.

gr8gazu · Post by **gr8gazu** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:16 pm

McDoo the Irish Navigator wrote: Do a quick google search of "children's charities"+canada and you'll quickly find where the money is really needed.

Yeah, like the TH Childrens Foundation who have had to fight to keep their charitable organization standing, pay for the use of business jets and pay huge dollars for spent alcoholic hockey players to show up at the odd golf tournament. You could buy a kid a new house for the cost of sending him/her to camp for 10 days...

Keep throwing your change in though, jet fuel is getting expensive!

Sorry for the hijack and keep the money in Canada. Lots of good charities and foundations to help deserving kids.

WJ700 · Post by **WJ700** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:17 pm

McDoo the Irish Navigator wrote:Lady are you for real? Nevermind answering, I know you are. How typically self centred of an Air Canada employee to want to take money earmarked for needy children and squander it on the children of the rich.
A soaring club? Why not the local yacht club, or golf course?
Unbelievable.
Do a quick google search of "children's charities"+canada and you'll quickly find where the money is really needed.

McDoo, not to be the forum warden but I'm sure many Air Canada employees, don't qualify as 'typical' and 'self centered' because of this one poster's request.

Pachanga · Post by **Pachanga** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:43 pm

LibbyNordman wrote: Actually, the idea is to make soaring accessible to young people of all financial backgrounds.

CD · Post by CD » Wed Jun 28, 2006 3:46 am

LibbyNordman wrote:Actually, the idea is to make soaring accessible to young people of all financial backgrounds.

This program does a pretty good job of that as well... although soaring is often challenging in a 2-33.

Rebel · Post by **Rebel** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:35 am

McDoo the Irish Navigator wrote:Lady are you for real? Nevermind answering, I know you are. How typically self centred of an Air Canada employee to want to take money earmarked for needy children and squander it on the children of the rich.
A soaring club? Why not the local yacht club, or golf course?
Unbelievable.
Do a quick google search of "children's charities"+canada and you'll quickly find where the money is really needed.

How typical of a WJ employee...Isn't this the same individual that is also a moderator on the Pprune that failed ethics 101? Hmm you've forgotten that you live in a glass house.

Libby

I don’t think your suggestion fills exactly “the intent” of children's charities.

prop2jet · Post by **prop2jet** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:56 am

Libby:
No offense, call it what you will, but I think if you were to pitch your request to the Canadian public at large you would get pretty much the same reaction you have had so far on this post.

When one speaks of charities for children, one normally thinks of providing assitance for hospice care, medications and treatments not covered by medicare etc. Soaring clubs? I suppose a certain benefit can be provided to someone who has an interest in soaring and can't afford it, however the fact is the money is better spent elsewhere.

A simple litmus test would be to pitch your idea to Gates/(Buffett) and see what their reaction would be if their foundation were to spend money on soaring clubs.

McDoo the Irish Navigator · Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:43 am

I see that overnight, others have made several good points, so I will not expand on them.
Mr.Rebel, you are correct, we all live in glass houses. As a Westjetter, I have a vested interest in where my 10 and a half million is going. The agreement was to have the money spent on children's charities. Libby's son is not a child, nor is he in need of charity.

I believe I have maintained my impariality well on PPRUNE and invite constructive criticism, here at Avcanada, I am free to speak my mind.

AM

Rebel · Post by **Rebel** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 7:08 am

McDoo the Irish Navigator wrote:I see that overnight, others have made several good points, so I will not expand on them.
Mr.Rebel, you are correct, we all live in glass houses. As a Westjetter, I have a vested interest in where my 10 and a half million is going. The agreement was to have the money spent on children's charities. Libby's son is not a child, nor is he in need of charity.

I believe I have maintained my impariality well on PPRUNE and invite constructive criticism, here at Avcanada, I am free to speak my mind.

AM

Wow so you claim that you have maintained you’re impartially at Pprune with regards to WJ postings. As I said previously you’ve never taken ethics 101 as demonstrated by your reply to Libby on this forum. Me thinks you drink to much WJ Kool-Aid..

exbengal · Post by **exbengal** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 8:35 am

rebel, you of all people talking ETHICS, I don't know where to begin, how about 300 million,any oac hired prior to 95 shouldn't throw stones my little friend, you have done enough damage to this industry.

Rebel · Post by **Rebel** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:48 am

exbengal

You got a screw loose or something?

LibbyNordman · Post by **LibbyNordman** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:24 pm

prop2jet wrote:No offense, call it what you will, but I think if you were to pitch your request to the Canadian public at large you would get pretty much the same reaction you have had so far on this post.

I can appreciate your argument, and I'm certainly not thinking that we spend $1.5 Million on soaring!

There are many worthy charities that help youth, and I think that the $10 Million WestJet will donate will be a great thing for a great many children across our country.

My son is 23, and truth be told, he has never used the resources of the Soaring Team or Youth Flight Canada. He has been involved in fundraising and organizing events and opportunities for younger pilots such as the national advanced soaring camp.

I'm sure Air Canada and WestJet will pick charities and initiatives they believe will be a benefit to Canada's youth...

Good arguments have been presented here... I'm still going to put in a recommendation to support what I feel is a worthy cause, but we won't be holding our breath

Cheers

L

Long Keel · Post by **Long Keel** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:26 pm

Libby,

I think childrens charities should be going to those the most in need. Sick, poor, orphans, etc. Soaring isn't up there. Also as was mention the Air Cadets already do a great job in getting youth into Gliders as well as improving their citizenship and leadership skills.

BUT...I think if you approached ACPA and ALPA they might be interested in offering support as they may have members with kids who are interested in soaring. Also AC may want to support your charity with new money not tied to the WJ case if there was a marketing advantage to be gained.

lk

exbengal · Post by **exbengal** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 8:31 am

Rebel wrote:exbengal

You got a screw loose or something?

Rebel, someone posts how ironic you are and thats the best you can come up with, like I said you are in no position to talk about ethics.

just curious · Post by **just curious** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 8:53 am

I rarely interfere in cat fights, but, truth be told, I'm surprised to have to referee in the AC forum.

Rebel and McDoo... I've seen you both offer lucid constructive posts. Perhaps before trading shots of this low a calibre, you could both take a deep breath and count to ten.

Libby, your thread may have more success if you repost it on the AEF forum. I know a substantial number of the AC posters there are soaring pilots as well.

Cheers,
JC

Dockjock · Post by **Dockjock** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:04 am

Why does a charity have to deal with cancer, or orphans to be considered worthy? Supporting soaring is just as valid as sending a kid to camp (Tim Horton's) or the Make a Wish foundation. Does Make a Wish tell a kid who wants to go soaring, sorry, that's not a worthy wish?
A child doesn't have to be dying in order to need help or be deserving of support. Supporting youth sports, music, education, summer camp, or soaring would all be about the same thing in my estimation. The life skills and experiences gained through programs such as this help children grow up to be well rounded benevolent adults- a gift that continues to benefit society long after the camp jamboree has ended or the glider has been put away for the season.
Cheers

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:30 pm

...............

Few kids in scarborough will join, yeah, great for forest hill folks, but the "inner city youths" lol.... What a joke...

Next week boys, we're taking our SUVs to the park and complain about gas emissions....