Too much chatter on the radio rant!

greenwich · Post by **greenwich** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:27 pm

We all know that pilots love to talk...OR, should I say...love to hear the sound of their own voice!

We all talk on the radio almost daily, but why do we keep adding pointless, time-wasting phrases on to our radio calls???

Some that come to mind when talking to Center or Radio:

"good morning"
"good day"
"good afternoon"
"good evening"
"so-long"
"talk to you later"
"see you on the way out"
"talk to you in a bit"
"thanks"
"hi there"

WHAT ARE SOME OF YOUR TIME-WASTING FAVOURITES???

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Hoser · Post by **Hoser** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:41 pm

I can understand not using them if its busy, but when its quiet what the hell is wrong with pleasantries?

desksgo · Post by **desksgo** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:58 pm

greenwich wrote: WHAT ARE SOME OF YOUR TIME-WASTING FAVOURITES???

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co-joe · Post by **co-joe** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:10 pm

I'd rather hear any of the above given with a clear concise radio call containing only pertinent onformation, than hear someone bumble through their call up.

AND!...ah, this is...ah...we're ahh...

YSC is the exception. That guy kills me.

I_Drive_Planes · Post by **I_Drive_Planes** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:25 pm

greenwich wrote:why do we keep adding pointless, time-wasting phrases on to our radio calls???

Becasue some of us enjoy being personable and pleasant. I find that more often its ATS adding pleasantries than pilots anyway.

Planes

oates76 · Post by **oates76** » Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:29 pm

I agree, as long as it's kept short and simple, why not be pleasant on the radio, we're not all robots.

and Desks Go... best truffle shuffle ever!! Nice

water wings · Post by **water wings** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 5:34 am

wow. i just timed myself saying "good morning" = 0.6 seconds. i never knew i was such a chatty cathy...

Donald · Post by **Donald** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 5:47 am

My personal favourite?

At the end of any call: "...and any conflicting (sometimes conflictions) please advise C-FABC on 126.7 or 122.8 in nowheresville".

These people need to spend a couple days up in NWO when it's busy.

lilfssister · Post by **lilfssister** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 5:58 am

Nothing wrong with a "good morning", "good night" etc. As already said, above, these pleasantries take about a second.

l_reason · Post by **l_reason** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 6:32 am

AC # 1
“Cooks bay traffic this is SC__ we are at 4500’ practicing slow flight on the east side of the bay”

AC # 2
“SC__….OH! Your at 4500 doing slow flight, OK. Well this is SC__ We are at 1000’ doing diversions for the next ½ hour then going back to Buttonville and we’ll keep a sharp eye for you on our way back ” (in a instructor like voice.)

I don’t mind at all when “good morning” is used but if you have 3500’ of separation do you really need to call or is it just chatting and plugging up 126.7? Some days flying around the GTA there would be nothing on the radio at all if it wasn’t for calls that started with “S C” and “Cooks bay traffic”

J31 · Post by **J31** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 6:53 am

Donald wrote:My personal favourite?
At the end of any call: "...and any conflicting please advise C-FABC".

I agree that quote is not required……as if someone that is conflicting is NOT going to speak up?!

I don’t see anything wrong with brief pleasantries like good night, good morning, Merry Christmas

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N2 · Post by N2 » Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:15 am

NO shit I had a certain aviation college aircraft respond to my position report while transiting a training zone when they were a good 30 miles away....ummmm no conflict!

SkyWolfe · Post by **SkyWolfe** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:31 am

Actually ATC got snippy with me when I didn't say "thanks" once... So ummmm.... I think I'll continue being pleasent, and your just going to have to live with it

lilfssister · Post by **lilfssister** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 7:59 am

SkyWolfe wrote:Actually ATC got snippy with me when I didn't say "thanks" once... So ummmm.... I think I'll continue being pleasent, and your just going to have to live with it

Really??? I think it's funny when pilots thank me for...uhhh..doing my job? No thanks required, it's what we're paid for.

Now if they went WAY out of their way to get you something you requested that was out of the norm, then maybe a thanks would be nice, but hardly required.

Dockjock · Post by **Dockjock** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 8:15 am

"Thanks for the help" kills me when the controller did little more than vector the aircraft onto final in visual conditions. What help? "Thanks for the help" seems warranted when providing vectors around weather, providing ride reports, getting hockey scores, or something that might have actually involved the controller going out of their way a little.

The other one, and seems to be a YYC thing, is the absolutely excessive reading back of instructions, information, and so forth. "Heading 310 to join, cleared ILS 34, maintain 160 to the beacon, and contact tower" does NOT need to be read back in full. Just "ABCD cleared ILS 34" is fine. Now it's to the point where the bad habit has been passed on and on and it's a snowballing problem. Perhaps there should be a 5-yr renewal on the radio license?

Dog · Post by **Dog** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 8:18 am

I always say thanks to atc whenever someone makes an effort to give me more direct or save me a litttle time. I flew out of YVR for a while and the controlers there could save you easily an hour of flying by the end of the day by fitting you in rather than insisting that you fly the full published arrivals and departures. There are some truely superb people working in that tower.

If I'm in a particularly cranky mood the student pilot format position reports rub me the wrong way. Just tell people type/ident, position, altitude and trend (climbing/decending to) and direction of travel or intentions. That's all we need to know, if it's a conflict it should become clear.

Goodmorning, thankyou, and have a nice day. out

flystraightin · Post by **flystraightin** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 9:31 am

It kills me when ATC, after a readback, puts in a "roger".

like:

ATC: "Skyhawk ZMA, taxi runway 09 via B, runway 02, E. Contact the tower holding short."

Me: "09 via B, 02, E. Tower holding short, ZMA."

ATC: "Roger"

linecrew · Post by **linecrew** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 9:49 am

Dockjock wrote:"Thanks for the help" kills me when the controller did little more than vector the aircraft onto final in visual conditions.

I always thank atc if I request and get approval for south fields circuits at CYOW where they have to fit you in with their IFR movements...especially considering they don't have to and for them having me stay over in the North field circuit is (usually) an easier option. There's also, from what I've been told, a couple of controllers that aren't fans of general aviation in the tower so I want to show my appreciation for putting up with me.

HO Driver · Post by **HO Driver** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 10:03 am

Some of you whiners have to get the hell out of the circuit once and a while. Will this useless topic ever die?!?

niss · Post by **niss** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:00 am

I pay the people at Tim Hortons to get me coffee, but I still thank them politly after. If I dont they spit in my coffee.

RFN · Post by **RFN** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:22 am

I don't think there's anything wrong with being friendly. That said, most people seem to be able to gauge how busy the controllers are, and if things are pretty hectic, then they cut out the chit-chat.

Up North, a couple of things.
The "conflicts please advise" thing is obvious.
I don't think there is a good reason for calling final on 126.7 122.8 or 123.2 would suffice for that one.
150 miles North of Winnipeg means much less than 35 South West of Berens.
Estimating Island in 46.5 minutes is silly.
We've all been over the "getting the weather briefing on 126.7" thing before I think. There's lots of other options.

I have a question though. We all go direct from point to point and make our radio calls accordingly. What do you guys suggest when it's time to dodge CBs? I have never heard anyone mention that on a 126.7 call, yet it would seem reasonable that everyone could be heading (in IMC) for that sweet little gap on the radar. Does anyone have any advice on this one?

ch135146 · Post by **ch135146** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:24 am

greenwich wrote:WHAT ARE SOME OF YOUR TIME-WASTING FAVOURITES???

Amateurs who create threads like this.

Justwannafly · Post by **Justwannafly** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:44 am

Nothing wrong with a "good morning", "good night" etc. As already said, above, these pleasantries take about a second.

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:46 am

I was taught to say, "Any conflicting please advise." But unless I was with an instructor who insisted I say it, I didn't, and don't say it. It pisses some people on AvCanada off, and IMHO, it's a little bit useless.

I'll say "thanks" every once in a while.

And I say "roger" as much as I can, because you can only get away with it on the radio. If I said "roger" at the Beer Store, they might not serve me again:

"Beer Store employee, this is ISTP. Request six bottles Lakeport Pilsner."

"OK sir....uh, six Lakeport Pilsner, that's $7.45."

"Roger, seven four five." Gives the cute beer girl a ten.

"And uh...$2.55 change." Cute girl gives me wierd look.

"Roger, two five five change, g'day."

See. It only works in the plane, so I'm gonna fuckin' use it as much as possible, I don't care who it pisses off. IT SOUNDS COOL!

-istp

bigfssguy · Post by **bigfssguy** » Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:54 am

istp wrote:I was taught to say, "Any conflicting please advise." But unless I was with an instructor who insisted I say it, I didn't, and don't say it. It pisses some people on AvCanada off, and IMHO, it's a little bit useless.

I'll say "thanks" every once in a while.

And I say "roger" as much as I can, because you can only get away with it on the radio. If I said "roger" at the Beer Store, they might not serve me again:

"Beer Store employee, this is ISTP. Request six bottles Lakeport Pilsner."

"OK sir....uh, six Lakeport Pilsner, that's $7.45."

"Roger, seven four five." Gives the cute beer girl a ten.

"And uh...$2.55 change." Cute girl gives me wierd look.

"Roger, two five five change, g'day."

See. It only works in the plane, so I'm gonna fuckin' use it as much as possible, I don't care who it pisses off. IT SOUNDS COOL!

-istp

Now that is some funny stuff. I might try that next time i go to the vendor. But then again in Churchill that would be the least weird thing they would see that day, that plus there are NO cute girls here....Well aside from my lovely wonderful perfect Fiance..........................

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