Here you go...for all the low time guys looking for a break, I found this in the on-line Winnipeg Free Press help wanted. This for a position with the Northwest Company...i.e Northern Stores based out of YWG... a real good gig for somebody starting out.
CO-PILOT
Regular Full Time
Logistics, Air Transport
$20,963-$26,325
SUMMARY: Under the guidance and direction of the Chief Pilot this position will assist in the ground and air operations of the company aircraft, a Cessna Conquest II, for corporate travel.
ACCOUNTABILITIES:
· Assists in flying the aircraft in a safe and professional manner in a two-crew coordinated environment.
· Loads and unloads luggage / equipment as per weight and balance limitations of the aircraft.
· Assists in pre-flight preparation duties including external and internal check of the aircraft and sundry items stocked.
· Maintains the overall grooming of the aircraft upon return of flights.
· Assists in passenger relations and communication during trips.
· Other duties as assigned.
QUALIFICATIONS:
· Must possess a valid commercial Pilot’s license with multi-engine and Class One instrument rating.
· Demonstrated ability to professionally and safely fly the aircraft through the completion of a company PCC check ride to meet minimum standards following aircraft training.
· Must have accumulated a minimum of 250 hours (total flying time).
· Experience operating in and out of northern and/or remote airports an asset.
· Post secondary education in the aviation industry an asset.
· Must possess a valid Passport.
· Ability to maintain confidentiality of sensitive information given the nature of potential passengers and/or trips.
· Bilingual in French and English an asset.
Conquest Co-Pilot 250 hrs min requirement !!!
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Here we go...this is more of what I expected, you should get off your computer and perhaps apply.
Not the big coin a college grad is expecting for his first job but its twin time... flying suits and ties all over North America instead of circuits in the right seat or hauling minnows (although that can be a blast) or the never ending pop and chip loads. The high artic, long and short gravel ops in all the places ending in "Lake", Lots of IFR time and high density flying into Canadian & US airports...you will see it all. Guaranteed the time built in this job will put you steps ahead of a lot of other guys starting out.
Not the big coin a college grad is expecting for his first job but its twin time... flying suits and ties all over North America instead of circuits in the right seat or hauling minnows (although that can be a blast) or the never ending pop and chip loads. The high artic, long and short gravel ops in all the places ending in "Lake", Lots of IFR time and high density flying into Canadian & US airports...you will see it all. Guaranteed the time built in this job will put you steps ahead of a lot of other guys starting out.
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No sweat. I guess I could have been a bit clearer myself.
Many companies will hire someone with 250 hours, however some ramp time will be required. A job ad like that is not uncommon.
Something like that.
Me, I'm not your typical college grad- attitude and age-wise. Sure I graduated with the airline job seekers from Sault College, but by the end of my course, I realized I just wanna have some kind of seasonal flying job- preferably not IFR. If I don't make it into the MNR left seat of a CL415, I'll still be content booting around a few months of the year in a Beaver but I'm in no rush to do that right now. I'm 36 and have lots of time to get a flying job.
Good on ya for posting the job, Hot Fuel!
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Many companies will hire someone with 250 hours, however some ramp time will be required. A job ad like that is not uncommon.
Something like that.
Me, I'm not your typical college grad- attitude and age-wise. Sure I graduated with the airline job seekers from Sault College, but by the end of my course, I realized I just wanna have some kind of seasonal flying job- preferably not IFR. If I don't make it into the MNR left seat of a CL415, I'll still be content booting around a few months of the year in a Beaver but I'm in no rush to do that right now. I'm 36 and have lots of time to get a flying job.
Good on ya for posting the job, Hot Fuel!
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No doubt, my first year instructing my T4 was for $8600.I am Birddog wrote:26K for a 250hour pilot sitting right seat!!!
I wish I had that option when I first started flying.
I think this is a great 1st job. Nice machine and great experience to staple to ones resume.
I remember when companies where asking for 5000 hours for a Navajo job.
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I got a call from the company and the pilot, here is some info I walked away with:
- the mins state 250 hrs, but the current captain wants someone with experience. He told me that it is impossible for a low-time pilot to ever get insured to fly as captain on the plane.
- an upgrade to PIC is slim-to-none. The current pilot has been flying the plane single-pilot for 20+ years, and has no intent of leaving (at least this indicates it must be a good job).
- most flying is to northern communities, as that's where the vast majority of their clients are. Don't expect Florida, NYC, etc.
- the time will not likely be recognized by TC. The plane is registered privately (or I believe it's 604), and it's a single-pilot a/c. There is no requirement for it to be operated two-crew, and as I said before, the pilot has been flying it single-pilot for the past 20+ years.
Overall, the job sounds good, but it may or may not be a wise career move for you depending on where you are in the industry. The pilot seemed like a very nice guy over the phone and was very honest with me (he told me if my career goals is to fly for an airline, I'd probably be better off staying where I am).
For the record, I have 700 hrs with 520 PIC.
- the mins state 250 hrs, but the current captain wants someone with experience. He told me that it is impossible for a low-time pilot to ever get insured to fly as captain on the plane.
- an upgrade to PIC is slim-to-none. The current pilot has been flying the plane single-pilot for 20+ years, and has no intent of leaving (at least this indicates it must be a good job).
- most flying is to northern communities, as that's where the vast majority of their clients are. Don't expect Florida, NYC, etc.
- the time will not likely be recognized by TC. The plane is registered privately (or I believe it's 604), and it's a single-pilot a/c. There is no requirement for it to be operated two-crew, and as I said before, the pilot has been flying it single-pilot for the past 20+ years.
Overall, the job sounds good, but it may or may not be a wise career move for you depending on where you are in the industry. The pilot seemed like a very nice guy over the phone and was very honest with me (he told me if my career goals is to fly for an airline, I'd probably be better off staying where I am).
For the record, I have 700 hrs with 520 PIC.
"Never travel faster than your guardian angel can fly." - Mother Theresa
I may be wrong, but isn't that the Conquest owned by the Northwest Company and managed by Fast Air? If so, they tried this a while back but it never worked out, the captain is very anal and doesn't let you fly. He either tells you to leave or you quit. I wonder why they're looking for an f/o after he's flown single-pilot for so long.......Maybe to guard the autopilot while he takes naps I imagine....
ettw wrote:I should add that I once had dinner with one of their pilots when he was in town and the year before he had spent 280 or so days on the road....covers the top half though from Alaska to Newfoundland and EVERYTHING in between!!
I'd love to know his name. If you remember it, could you pm me?
280 days...!!!! coast to coast to coast?
wow...that's dedication.
http://www.northwest.ca/BackOffice/Desk ... abid=10059
if you are interested in where the fly. I don't think they do the southern places with the Conquest but the northern communities are done with it.
Cheers,
if you are interested in where the fly. I don't think they do the southern places with the Conquest but the northern communities are done with it.
Cheers,
Just want to add a few points to what C-HRIS said.
Talked to the captain about 2 years ago while we were both holding at the same place. He was looking for a co-pilot even back then. I put the feelers out and talked to a couple guys who went up with him for a flight evaluation and then decided not to apply mainly based on their experience. He's in a difficult position because he wants someone with enough experience so they don't make his life a living hell, especially since he's been flying that plane for so long by himself, but people with the experience he wants aren't going to take that job for the reasons C-HRIS mentioned and the fact they can go get a captain job on a smaller twin. That's probably why he's been looking so long - he can't find someone who #1. wants the job #2. can fly the plane decently and #3. is compatible with him and his management style. This job probably isn't the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow that a lot of people think it is.
The good points would be decent starting pay, you get to live in the city and not up north, excellent aircraft (no red stickers like ours!), but also very challenging for a new co-pilot who has only a few hundred hours. Lots of different airports and some long trips. If you could swing a deal with Fast Air to get upgraded to captain on one of their smaller twins when you qualify it could be very worthwhile.
On the negative side, think very hard what it could be like flying with someone who has flown that plane for 20+ years single pilot. Kind of like going to stay with your 80 year old grandmother who’s lived on her own for 20 years...
Talked to the captain about 2 years ago while we were both holding at the same place. He was looking for a co-pilot even back then. I put the feelers out and talked to a couple guys who went up with him for a flight evaluation and then decided not to apply mainly based on their experience. He's in a difficult position because he wants someone with enough experience so they don't make his life a living hell, especially since he's been flying that plane for so long by himself, but people with the experience he wants aren't going to take that job for the reasons C-HRIS mentioned and the fact they can go get a captain job on a smaller twin. That's probably why he's been looking so long - he can't find someone who #1. wants the job #2. can fly the plane decently and #3. is compatible with him and his management style. This job probably isn't the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow that a lot of people think it is.
The good points would be decent starting pay, you get to live in the city and not up north, excellent aircraft (no red stickers like ours!), but also very challenging for a new co-pilot who has only a few hundred hours. Lots of different airports and some long trips. If you could swing a deal with Fast Air to get upgraded to captain on one of their smaller twins when you qualify it could be very worthwhile.
On the negative side, think very hard what it could be like flying with someone who has flown that plane for 20+ years single pilot. Kind of like going to stay with your 80 year old grandmother who’s lived on her own for 20 years...
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You'll have to hope you can use the experience you gained to get yourself a job elsewhere. Even if TC doesn't recognize the time, other employers will, but they may not like the fact that you have a lot of hours which will never count towards your ATP, which you will need to go captain. The way I look at it, is that right now I'm at a company where I can spend years at (i.e. my next job will be a retirement one). If I leave for the conquest job, then I'd have to worry about moving on from there. Some people like to move around a lot and work for different companies...I'm not terribly interested in doing that. Even if I'm not flying now, I will be soon, and as far as I'm concerned, I'd be flying for a much better company (nothing against the NWC).CAL wrote:if tc does not recognize the time is it worth it?
I could be wrong however and TC may even recognize those hours. People keep saying the plane is on Fast Air's OC, but according to the pilot, the only affiliation with Fast Air is that they share a hangar, and, Fast Air takes care of the maintenance. Obviously there is no two-crew requirement for the plane (i.e. the guy's been flying single-pilot for 20+ years), so unless they are changing their Ops Manual (and if it's privately registered, then they probably dont even have an Ops Manual), then I don't see how the time can be recognized.
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