Aviation as viewed by non pilot geeks

bigred · Post by **bigred** » Sun Feb 22, 2004 11:07 pm

Come on guys how about the great scene in the middle ish of Harts War. When in the prison camp Bruce Willis is arguing with the black actor (sorry I cant remember his name). A couple of 109's come screaming into view shortly there after a couple of Mustangs in hot persuit. The Mustangs get the 109's and then the black actor turns to Willis who plays Hart and says, "did you see the red tails on those planes"? Hart's responce is yes and they are *&^% good pilots. The black actor then says they are black pilots from the 339th Pursuit sqn the Tuskeggee Air men. That is also a good movie as well but I wont go into it I will let some one else bio that one.
Red

twinpratts · Post by **twinpratts** » Mon Feb 23, 2004 6:21 am

I gotta say, guys... this has been the most amusing post I've seen in a while. I just love cutting up movies... BRING ON THE CHEESE!

sdrawkcab · Post by **sdrawkcab** » Mon Feb 23, 2004 8:47 am

How about any movie ( must be 50 of them) that shows an aircraft on the take-off roll for 5 min. while the bad guys catch up in an old truck.

Flying Low · Post by **Flying Low** » Mon Feb 23, 2004 10:36 am

How about the Bond film with the Porter that dives off the cliff pilotless and therefore, of course, goes straight down...that is until Bond freefalls and catches up with the plane, climbs in and flys off.

HoCapt · Post by **HoCapt** » Mon Feb 23, 2004 11:53 am

I saw one not too long ago, the air shot showed a single engine Cessna, maybe 6 seats or so, inside shot shows 2 pilots, both controlling the plane, and a stewardess opens the cockpit door? and asked when they'll be arriving. I almost pissed myself laughing.

This is definetly the funniest post I've read in a while.

Sparky · Post by **Sparky** » Mon Feb 23, 2004 5:35 pm

How about the countless movies with an engine failure in a Cub on floats, engine quits and the plane falls out of the sky to the sound of wailing turbines...and for you skydivers out there. How did you like the 20 minute freefall scene in Point Break?

oldtimer · Post by **oldtimer** » Tue Feb 24, 2004 9:59 pm

Can't remember the movie but I did not realize you can enter the baggage compartment of a DC 10 thru the nosewheel bay. Some big black dude actor did. Got right into the puppy snuffer compartment of that ol' -10 by climbing on to the nosewheel as the airplane accelerated down the runway.
Didn't Arnie baby hang on to the landing gear of a DC10 till it was over the swamp at the end of the runway and then dive into the water to escape the bad guys. Cool and quick thinking.
But yet I read somewhere that in the movie"The Great Waldo Pepper", the stars were actually using the correct technique to start some of those old engines. Pull the prop backward against compession quickly and let it go. It springs forward over compression and starts.
wanna see a real good aviation movie - "Those Magnificent Men and Their Flying Machines" Absolutly the best. Authentic copies of pre- ww1 airplanes and great action. A genuinely funny movie.

ahramin · Post by **ahramin** » Wed Feb 25, 2004 12:59 am

Too bad they do not teach proper hand propping anymore. Saw an instructor from an aviation college trying to kill himself doing that a while ago. One of the few times i have offered advice to an instructor (the student had great legs and would not have looked good with all that blood on her white skirt and shirt).

And yes they do it properly in Waldo Pepper's Flying Circus.

Those Magnificent Men And Their Flying Machines. What a great movie. Everyone in aviation should see this movie.

ahramin

TG · Post by TG » Wed Feb 25, 2004 10:11 am

How about "Top gun" ........pure BS
(pretty nice "Migs" built by Northrop BTW).

Or all those movies having turbines with piston noise or pistons with turbine whinning.

Even hearing skydivers able to speak in freefall (I think that's the case in point break) bootyshake

ndb · Post by **ndb** » Wed Feb 25, 2004 10:39 am

I can't believe I'm defending Top Gun, which has as it's protagonist a vertically-challenged dyslexic in dire need of rhinoplasty.

Anyways, back when it was filmed, MiGs were not available in Trade-A-Plane for a measly $20,000, so they had to make do with the F-5/T-38 which is actually a very purty airplane.

Also, when it came out, Top Gun had probably the best cinematography of ACM up to that point. Sure, the movie was cheesy and unrealistic, and full of errors. But this is Hollywood, ok?

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Wed Feb 25, 2004 11:22 am

Some movie companies go to great lenghts to be accurate.

When I did the flying for " Below " Mirimax insisted on every detail being realistic right down to having a fake instrument panel for all the inside shots while flying..... It takes hours of flying for minutes of movie.

And as far as hand propping goes, we need another knock down argument about hand proping like we had in the old forum.....

There were some really ignorant posters on that topic.

Lets have a go at that again.

Cat Driver:

co-joe · Post by **co-joe** » Wed Feb 25, 2004 11:51 am

Sure Cat,

I hand propped a 172 a couple of times. How broke were you? Well rather than take the day off and wait for the new starter to arrive...

Hey a guy I know claims he hand propped a Navajo. Could you actually turn an engine that high compression over fast enough to get it to catch? Just wondering?

Anybody ever see the cheezy movie where they had a rock concert in the 747 with the Marilyn Manson look alike? Crew gets (you guessed it)incapacitated and a pax lands her...etc... I saw it one boaring night in YBE, then the next movie on has the same plot, (minus the rock show) and the EXACT same flying and crew/cockpit scenes. Right down to the flight number "Trans-con" something. cj

jimmyjazz · Post by **jimmyjazz** » Wed Feb 25, 2004 12:17 pm

I had to had prop a 206 with a 550 in it wasn't easy or fun but we were stuck in the bush with a pooched starter

oldtimer · Post by **oldtimer** » Wed Feb 25, 2004 5:17 pm

You can't hand prop a Navajo. not because of compression, they are low compression engines, as are all turbo'd engines, but the "shower of sparks" is required to retard the ignition spark and boost the starting voltage to the plugs. The old rotary engines and the OX5 of the '20s and '30s were the ones that you started by flipping them backwards. Bush types can be pretty ingenious when they have to. unfortunatly, sometimes with disasterous results. Ever see anyone try to hand spike a Gypsy Major in a Tiger Moth. Requires talent. When I learned to fly, 1959 in Saskatchewan, lots of airplanes were hand spiked. and there were lots of 3 and 4 fingered pilots around. I watched a guy loose two fingers on a wooden prop in a Baby Ace homebuilt.

Floats · Post by **Floats** » Thu Feb 26, 2004 9:51 am

Can't believe Harrison ford let "6 days 7 nights" comeout. gotta love strapping on those floats.

Or how about "swat" when they land on the bridge.

And I love that line from memphis Belle as he screams "watch the cowl flaps!!!"

Anyone watched iron eagle lately? another good one, I always turn on my walkman so i can cut the minutes down on a flight

good post, i enjoyed reading

Brantford Beech Boy · Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:15 am

I know I bring this up every time we have a "movie" topic but,
The cheesiest aviation movie I have ever seen was that made for TV pile of crap about the Gimli Glider.

The final scene where the kid is pedaling down the runway on his bike while the plane bears down on him, so the captain yells "Hey kid, get outta tha way kid!" and the kid gets off the runway. Altimeters winding down to zero as the wheels kiss the tarmac, etc, etc.

LMAO every time I see that.

BBB

cougarhunter · Post by **cougarhunter** » Fri Feb 27, 2004 3:57 pm

Harrison Ford's "6 Days, 7 Nights" was hilarious. Ford and that dyke find a immaculate set of floats on a crashed WWII a/c. They lop off the floats which crash to the ground and then send the floats down the river and over a waterfall. The floats remain completely intact thoughout the ordeal (where can I get a pair like this???). Harrison must be a wizard ame as he then perfectly rigs the floats to his Beaver with bamboo and then takes off from a small trench made in the sand. Must have been one strong 985. The beginning of the movie was b.s as well, since when does a lightning strike take out a Beaver??? I can't believe Ford would stoop so low to make that movie as he has his own Beaver which was rebuilt at Kelowna's AOG (must have needed the money from the movie to pay Dave Baron).

Another b.s scene was from Hank's "Castaway." The Airbus crashes into the ocean and remains nearly intact except for the one wing which seperated. As Tom was swimming away from the wreck, the engine was still spooled up and attached to the broken wing which was floating towards Tom (pretty sturdy CFM's).

joe to go · Post by **joe to go** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 4:00 am

I heard that the plane that crashed in 6 days, 7 nights was the one that crashed near penticton last year. "Harris Air" i think it was.

PT6-114A · Post by **PT6-114A** » Sat Feb 28, 2004 7:43 am

as pilots we all know that we could get lost up there in the clouds and have ATC chew you a new one but greas it on the runway and everone would think that is was the best flight that they had but have a great flight and hamer it on the runway and it was the worst flight ever we all know that the the hole flight is based on the landing.

chewsta · Post by **chewsta** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 7:54 am

So I rented that cheezy Marilyn Manson wannbe rock concert on the 747 movie last night - it is fickin awesome!

You all have to go rent that one.

During "Slade Craven's" last rock concert on board a 747 (being broadcast live on the web) someone from a satanic cult takes over the airplane with the goal of crashing it into an "evil church in kansas". Craven is helped over "secret radio" by a computer hacker to take control of the airplane while some tool FBI agents listen.

The FBI calls "FAA headquarters" in San Diego to warn them they are in danger and to evacuate. Apparently, FAA headquarters is in a VFR tower next to a barn. Just as the controller says "there is no danger here" the field next to the tower blows up (which pushes the guy OUT of the window in the cab).

Eventually Craven has to land the plane and the hacker hooks up remotly on FS98 to help him out! Turn right he says! As the yoke goes right, the closeup of the AI banks left. Then a 747 pilot arrives at Kansas Center and when asked to help says "no, those two are doing all the right things. They have a special relationship now. If I interfere, that thing will probably crash." WTF!?!?!?

Please go rent Turblence 3: Heavy Metal. You will piss your pants.

oldtimer · Post by **oldtimer** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 8:14 pm

I am glad to see someone refresh this thread. It is funny. One of the best air oriented movies was Murphy's War where a British sailor from a torpedoed ship discovers both the German sub and an old Grumman Duck floatplane in the Amazon River during WW11. Some of the best water scenes ever and the aero's in that old Duck were priceless. Got a bit hoakey when Peter O'Toole strapped jugs under the wing to bomb the sub but the flying scenes were priceless.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 9:05 pm

Hey oldtimer......

Rent the movie " Below ' by Merimax.

The movie opens with a PBY flying into the screen and then finding a raft on the ocean. Some really great shots of a PBY in flight

We flew over fifteen hours for the few minutes in the film, and at the end of the movie in the credits it was cast in order of apperance so I got to be first because we opened the movie.

And Merimax pays more than Reeeegency.

Cat. ( Wing Commander RAF )

SE5a Driver · Post by **SE5a Driver** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:15 pm

oldtimer wrote:You can't hand prop a Navajo. not because of compression, they are low compression engines, as are all turbo'd engines, but the "shower of sparks" is required to retard the ignition spark and boost the starting voltage to the plugs.

I don't think thats entirely correct. We've got a Fokker DR1 replica thats powered by a warner super scarab, and it uses a shower of sparks when starting. It was also hand proped for years before a starter was installed on it. Not saying you can necessarily hand porp a Navajo (never tried), but if you can't its not because the thing uses a shower of sparks.

pika · Post by **pika** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:36 pm

I think it was a Charlie's Angels flick. Driving a military transport truck across a bridge with a massive helicopter in the back with folded rotors. Whole thing goes off the bridge when hit by a missile and on the way down they all jump in, unfold the rotors, start multiple engines and fly away. Yeah, I could have done it...

oldncold · Post by **oldncold** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 2:16 pm

great flying movies.

1/Fate is the hunter (orginal with glenn ford canadain actor too!)
2/battle of britan
3/ tora tora tora. long but historically interersting. in surround sound whoa
4/ top gun -ya is is cheesy in parts but some of us decided that would be a cool job.
5/the orginal FLIGHT OF THE PHOENIX CIRA1955

6/ jOHN WAYNE IN THE FLYING TIGERS 1940 'S ( NOT THE CARGO CARRIER OF TODAY) P40 'S VERY COOL.

7/BATTLE OF MIDWAY . . HESTON ALL STAR CAST

8/ waldo peppers flying circus

/damm busters.

10/ firebirds ( hey the fling wing folks like movies too!)

well I think Ill get the popcorn maker going and watch a movie
merry xmas and carry lots of gas never panic.

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great flicks