Conquest Co-Pilot 250 hrs min requirement !!!

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 11:11 am

If you're happier on the ramp....stay on the ramp. Cant imagine how flying a Conquest would HURT you in the future?

TopperHarley · Post by **TopperHarley** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 11:38 am

Doc wrote: Cant imagine how flying a Conquest would HURT you in the future?

It wouldn't hurt at all; however, the prospects of no upgrades, combined with flight time which is unrecognized by TC, makes for a risky move, in my opinion. I know it's risky to stay on the ramp too, but I think I'm better off in the long run where I am, considering that I've already spent just under 1 year on the ramp. I know for a fact that I would be happy flying here, but I don't know this about NWC. As much as working the ramp sucks, and as much as I would love to get back in the air (especially in a twin turbine), I think it's important to consider where I want to end up, and how I want to get there. If I leave for NWC, I'd have to side-step to another company to get an upgrade and airline experience, whereas our pilots are leaving for AC, Jazz, WJ, etc (no side-stepping required). ALso, I think it's important to find a company where one would be happy at if the industry were to take another downturn. I'd imagine that by that time, I will be flying, and I'm happy to spend years here.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 12:31 pm

I'm not aiming that comment at you, C-HRIS. But, there is a turbine job, just sitting there, waiting for a 250 hour guy! Like, who really cares if TC dosent recognize the time? I wont count towards a higher licence (if this is true) but it is still total time....turbine time! And when you knock on a door as an applicant for a flying job, they'll ask for your total time...not what counts in TC's eyes. And if you have 500 twin-turbine-multi, you're way ahead of the guy who's been working the dock for a year!

... · Post by **...** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 12:54 pm

It's not often...but this time I have to agree with Doc.

He's right...in a large way.

flyer · Post by **flyer** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 1:24 pm

Way back in the day, (not that long ago) when I first learned to fly the navajo, I had a few right seat hours which transport did count as total time to my atpl, however, the IMC time will definately not count. As far as a first job goes, I wish there were a lot more of these type, right seat with some varied and difficult flying where you might have to fuel your own plane. If more companies hired low time pilots and included ramp duties and such, with the promise of moving up the ladder in reasonable time, then we would have a much more experienced pilot population. By that I mean pilots who know how to fuel, care for, ground handle and respect the aircraft they fly. I see way to many pilots who are totally lost when they step out of the plane. However, after a good year of right seat flying and ramp experience, I do think most should have learned enough and deserve to move beyond ramp duties.

RFN · Post by **RFN** » Sun Jul 16, 2006 1:36 pm

Why not give the job a try? There are other considerations:
The North West Company is not going out of business any time soon (I would think)
NWC flies all over the North, from right next to Russian Airspace, to the North end of Newfoundland and Labrador. If you chose to move on to another operator, you would know the country that they operate in, and probably would have met pilots from tons of operators. Just think of the contacts a 250hr guy could make in Northern Ontario and Manitoba alone.
If indeed you were never able to go Captain, or Co-Captain on the airplane, you would have worked out of the Fast Air hangar for the duration, and would have good contacts there.. That alone would be worth taking the job.
Plus who knows, if the pilot wants some holidays, you may end up with a left seat checkout on a twin turbine, a really nice one at that.

YVR Dude · Post by **YVR Dude** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 1:22 am

Contact Transport and ask the questions...no need to second guess here...

Is it recognized or not??

CAL · Post by **CAL** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 9:40 am

hold on a sec...if its not recognized by tc then how can you log it?

Spokes · Post by **Spokes** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:24 pm

Being not recognized by TC generally means that it will not count towards a licence. The fact that you did fly these trips does not go away, and I suppose a bunch of dual twin time is still twin time that someone might put on there resume. How much impact it would have is debateable I would expect.

I'm a reletively low time pilot with only a few multi hours. Recenctly I got an oportunity to sit right seat in a Be20 for a trip across the country. Technically it is still dual training under AIM 3.7.3 (I am gr1 IFR rated). Also in this entry it is mentioned that you can only count 3 hours of this type of training to credits for a higher licence.

CAL · Post by **CAL** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 12:40 pm

chris...I dont think anyone likes having to keep moving around..well I dont that is for sure...but you have no choice sometimes if you want more money...

Now in regard to the logging of time......I have sat in the right seat of numerous a/c as a pax just along for the ride with friends or Private Pilots who like having someone with more experience on board.....so what you are saying is I can put all of this in my log book just TC will not count it towards my atpl or any other license for that matter?

Thanks

Spokes · Post by **Spokes** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:47 pm

No. Its not hard to find this in the AIM.

3.7.3 In-flight Instruction (Dual): Licensed Pilots

(a) The holder of a valid commercial or airline transport pilot licence may give in-flight instruction for familiarization, refresher and instrument flight training, provided the pilot receiving the instruction holds a valid pilot licence endorsed for the type or class of aircraft in the same category as the aircraft used, and the person providing the instrument flight training meets the requirements specified in CAR 425.21(7). This authority does not permit category conversion training, e.g. aeroplane to helicopter, gyroplane to aeroplane, etc.

(b) The flight time acquired under (a) may be credited to the pilot-in-command as pilot-in-command time, and as dual flight time to the pilot receiving the training.

(c) Not more than 3 hr of familiarization flight time acquired for any type or class of aircraft may be credited towards the flight time requirements for a higher type of licence.

This should answer your question.

Spokes · Post by **Spokes** » Mon Jul 17, 2006 6:49 pm

disregard - double

Hot Fuel · Post by **Hot Fuel** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:27 am

Go figure...250 hr requirement, twin turbine, IFR experience etc etc...if you grabbed a piece of paper and made a list of the positives and negatives involved in this entry level position the plus ledger would clearly be greater than the minus ledger.

It seems the attitude out there is... I'm just starting out but I've drawn a line and not accepting anything less than 40K and a quick upgrades. I know the prostitute/working for free, stand up for yourself thing has been done to death on this board but I think some of you have moved a litte to far to the right.

It's the perfect first job folks...they just don't get much better.