freakin' radio rant.

[TG]

This has probably been brought up

Actually....no!

[Bubbaganoosh]

I heard a guy overtop in a lear calling himself - chicka (thats is how it sounded, not sure what the @#^$ he was trying to say) charlie niner foxtrot, this is no b.s., he got really po'd when we started making fun of em.. , and says " da youalll know who yer talking too??" yankees, what a bunch of dumbass's!

[BlueSkies12]

Haha, yeah. Whenever i hear Yanks on the radio they have no idea what they're doing. Mostly in uncontrolled. It can be pretty painful. I remember having to listen to center try and pass them off to radio for a minute cuz they didn't know what he meant. Then having to endure their conversations back and forth on 26.7.

[buck82]

Nothin like listen to a yank request clearance through the zone... even though he is still thirty miles out and 1500ft above twrs airspace... jeeez that was a good day. To boot the poor guy in the tower was already having to deal with an overloaded circuit. In the end, Tower had us relay a message out to this wayward yank via other planes for him to switch to the right Freq and shut the @!#%! up! (we could all hear him but he was too far out to hear the tower).

[JohnnyHotRocks]

Ok Shady, Get a real job...one where you need to use your full callsign....better insult?

[. ._]

Ok Shady, Get a real job...one where you need to use your full callsign....better insult?

OWN3D!

[cyxe]

I was in CYLW the other day and some clown required 4 calls from Ground Control to get taxi clearance. First call was just the ident. Ground said go ahead and he replied that he wanted to taxi. Ground asked him where he was and he said he was parked. Ground said where are you parked. He said on the ramp and ground said what ramp. Once that was straightened out, ground asked for his destination and he said a cross counrty so ground had to ask him where the cross country was too and he said back home. They finally determined home was YBB.

hehehe

probably the tower supervisor testing his controllers patience

[bigfssguy]

Haha, yeah. Whenever i hear Yanks on the radio they have no idea what they're doing. Mostly in uncontrolled. It can be pretty painful. I remember having to listen to center try and pass them off to radio for a minute cuz they didn't know what he meant. Then having to endure their conversations back and forth on 26.7.

Fun to listen to, a nightmare to try and deal with. Theyknow how to fly and are fairly good in control situations but put them in uncontrolled and things start to rumble. It's okay if there the only ones in the sky but if there is traffic they have trouble
N%**(()_+: Churchill radio request taxi instructions

FSS: This is an advisory service, not a control service, taxi your discretion

N#&_)^$: Roger taxiing now..........(gets into position) roger radio N%&(*(^$# request departure clearance.

FSS: This is an advisory service not a control service, depart at your discretion.

N(&^$$&(): Roger (gets airborne) radio could i get vectors onto course.....

ANd on aand on it goes. I had a fella come in one day when i was working in YTH who flew from YWG to YTH at 6500ft on 123.2 (thats ATF below 3000ft right?) and was surprised that he heard so few calls but there was a ton of planes flying into and out of the airport in YTH! I had to explain to him about 126.7.

Formation flights of 4 aircraft strung out over 15 miles and only the first one asks for an advisory, when the first one is down he calls the formation clear and asks for his flight plan to be closed.....Ughh what about the other 3 aircraft still strung over 10 miles??

The list goes on and on, not all there fault i guess just not knowlegable enough of our airspace. But i still cring everytime i get an estimate or a flight plan that starts with November!

[airplane rider]

I guess when you regularly begin flying into multiple international destinations, each with their own rule variations and local practices, it makes you a lot more respectful of how difficult the transition is when someone screws up in your locale. Lay off the yanks. You could sound just as unprofessional in their airspace without practice.

[JohnnyHotRocks]

...exactly...very easy to criticize other pilots for their mistakes...happens alot around here...
Those who work in glass cockpits shouldn't throw stones...unfortunately that weeds out about 95% of the "pilots" on this forum...

[BlueSkies12]

US airspace is a cinch, it's all controlled.

All they have to do is look at a map and interpret it. Then they won't make it dangerous for everyone around them. You have to prepare for your flights.

[Pygmie]

"And centre 'you can check' we're level 8000" - 'you can check'???? do we think the guy has a clipboard and he's going to put a check mark beside our call sign or something?

Actually, we put the check mark beside the altitude, not the call sign

[buck82]

I thought about this for a bit, But..... Hell No!!!

I'm not going to lay off the Yanks; or anybody else for that matter who's out there and obviously has no clue where they are, nor how to report where they are and what they are doing.

It has nothing to do with 'me thinking I'm a perfect pilot.' Get the right map, figure out where you are, what your doing, who you should be talking to, and know the procedures BEFORE you get off the ground. Hoping for the best or pleading ignorance because your from another country, Bullshiting your way through it is a dangerous for everyone.

It really isn't that hard; and when in doubt get it figured out BEFORE you're off the ground.

finished.

[Foxtrot]

Shady,

ATC doesn't have a clip board, they have strips. And whe you call in, they do put a check mark next to your altitude!

Been there, done that!

And unless ATC shortens your call sign, you're supposed to use the 4 letters.

[Hotel Tango]

Most of these complaints seem pretty trivial to me. Not huge deals, not making it dangerous for anyone. Some more superior pilots just might get a little annoyed.

What really bothers me is flying around predominately english speaking areas of the country in uncontrolled airspace and hearing a traffic advisory in french. Lets face it, the majority of pilots in some of these areas do not know french and it makes for a possibly dangerous situation. Yes you can use french in this country but it doesn't make it smart.

[Luscombe]

My personal pet-peeve are the guys who have a personal conversation on a busy ATF frequency. That's what 123.45 MHz (and many others) are for, not 122.8 on a sunny Saturday afternoon. I really don't care if you're going to "Bill's Farm" for his big barbecue tonight, I want to call final so that the guy in the RV8 holding short won't taxi out in front of me.

[Hedley]

I want to call final so that the guy in the RV8 holding short won't taxi out in front of me.

So just do it, fer chrissake. Your much closer transmitter will blast through the distant hee-haa rerun.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_law

If the other transmitter is 10 times as far away as you (which it likely is, at least) given equal transmitters and antenna SWR, your signal will be 100x as strong as the BBQ pirep.

Given how strong their opinions pilots have about their AM VHF radios, it's quite incredible how little they know about them

Pop Quiz: current draw (amps, duh) of a typical 12VDC VHF comm during rx, and during tx.

[MUSKEG]

Well buck82 aren't you just full of yourself. Why don't you go down south and swagger your way around for a bit. Get your ass shot out of the sky faster than you can say yank's? where? The multiple frequencies (VFR) we use here are a pain in the ass. That is the number one biggest complaint from pilots from the lower 48. And then you get helicopters cluttering it up with operational talk it's no wonder they think 126.7 is for visiting on.

[JohnnyHotRocks]

Given how strong their opinions pilots have about their AM VHF radios, it's quite incredible how little they know about them

...well it's a good thing that you have so much time available to educate the masses, huh head-lee?
...see anyone doing aerobatics over your house lately?

[Shady McSly]

Ok Shady, Get a real job...one where you need to use your full callsign....better insult?

...no.

Anywho, I think I'm also getting sick of hearing "conflicts advise" after a general traffic call.
- Don't worry, if its going to be a conflict I'll let you know.

...and I called my highschool english teacher and she said that "confliction" is in fact NOT a word.

[Spokes]

How about postantideconflictionism?

And quit whining.

[BlueSkies12]

Getting pissed off when people say "conflicts advise", alot alot of these complaints are trivial (including some of mine), but that's ridiculous. But i guess when you do it long enough things get on your nerves. Like how bout saying "looking for lower".

[giligan]

Well, myself included have my pet peeves on the radio, its best I don't get started.

The nice thing about all this crap everyone is complaining about is that they were HEARD, no matter how annoying it was or how long it took.

Some unfortunate incidents this week should shed light on the hear and be heard concept, I admit I do not know the particulars of these incidents but I have been in many close call situations and for the most part, they were all a result of someone not saying something.
For all of you who are learning,myself included, keep it up, and for those of us who are frustrated with the long or non necessary calls, remember when you were guilty of that very thing and try a little patience. It probably wasn't that long ago. At least you won't hit them if you know where they are, and maybe you can learn a thing or two along the way yourself.
gil

[Shady McSly]

How about postantideconflictionism?

And quit whining.

...no

-and by the way what the hell does "wahunga" mean?
...it better be something good or else it just looks dumb.

[Spokes]

OK, Whine. I don't care.

Wahunga: Anyone who flew Trackers on 880 Sgn in the airforce will tell you that is the sound made by the Watusi - They're seven feet tall.