Jazz Overshoots in YMM

[niss]

Once I arced it perfectly, applied enough pressure and walked backwards then forwards at the correct speed and made 8 feet with out spilling a drop.

[sigmet77]

FYI, airport is extending runway, a little on each end. And this is a fucked up thread, but is improving since the beginning. I missed as well, man was my wife mad

[Pratt]

The Significants of this post is I could see the planes lights and I could see it pull up and overshoot. I am not sure what was the problem. I could have told them on the radio that they did break through instead of going back to Calgary.

CoolGuy,

The point that you mention, that you saw the a/c from the ground doesn't mean that the pilots in the a/c saw the ground from the a/c. In the world of Jazz, when you hit the DH, MDA or MAP and you do not have the required visual reference you go-around, if you get the runway insight after that you are still going around once you have initiated the go-aroung procedure.

Not that we are flying a big, heavy airplane that can't be manouvered at the last minute if you desire. Our SOP's say that is the way things are done in our world. We do not do the cowboy manouvers at the last second. If you are not stabilized with the enviroment in sight you do not land.

Incidentially, when we are doing an ILS or a stabilized constant descent angle approach, from the time that a go-around is called for the a/c will probably descend another 50' before you are going up again.

So that might be what you were seeing, the a/c coming out of the bottom as they were executing the go-around. Once the missed approach procedure is started, it is continued.

Hope that helps to clear things up for you.

[Cat Driver]

" Not that we are flying a big, heavy airplane that can't be manouvered at the last minute if you desire. Our SOP's say that is the way things are done in our world. We do not do the cowboy manouvers at the last second. If you are not stabilized with the enviroment in sight you do not land. "

So you think that any pilot that does not fly to your sterilized SOP's are cowboys?

Cat

[CoolGuy]

Quickair made it in. Jazz could have used 07 but Ifr treaffic was probably coming in 25. At the end of the runway you could see them climb to well over 1000 feet.

[confuzed]

Quickair made it in. Jazz could have used 07 but Ifr treaffic was probably coming in 25. At the end of the runway you could see them climb to well over 1000 feet.

Quickair made it in....and your point is what again? Just because one crew has visual reference and another crew misses, doesn't mean squat. I've been on an approach where we missed and Jazz got in, does that mean we did anything wrong? No, we just didn't have the required visual reference so off we went. I've had to conduct a missed approach on the ILS 29 YQM, when they were calling it 2000 feet and 5 miles. Good old wall of fog, as soon as I had initiated the missed approach I popped out and saw the field clear as day. Since you're already in the missed though, off you go why try landing? Just come back and try it again, knowing what to expect. If you make it in, you make it in. If not you go somewhere else, oh well c'est la vie.

[2low]

We at Jazz are a buch of crazy cowboys.

[Pratt]

" Not that we are flying a big, heavy airplane that can't be manouvered at the last minute if you desire. Our SOP's say that is the way things are done in our world. We do not do the cowboy manouvers at the last second. If you are not stabilized with the enviroment in sight you do not land. "

So you think that any pilot that does not fly to your sterilized SOP's are cowboys?

Cat

Did I say that???

As you can plainly see, I did not.

Stop trying to infer something and stir up shit.

Expected better than a statement like that from you.

Pratt

[Raybanman]

The Significants of this post is I could see the planes lights and I could see it pull up and overshoot. I am not sure what was the problem. I could have told them on the radio that they did break through instead of going back to Calgary.

Quickair made it in. Jazz could have used 07 but Ifr treaffic was probably coming in 25. At the end of the runway you could see them climb to well over 1000 feet.

Well that would have been awesome. Try calling them on the radio next time. This is one of the dumbest posts ever (even taking my posts into consideration). CoolGuy get back in your truck and get back to work. People need fuel.

Cheers,
PP

[bcflyer]

Just out of curiosity what type of aircraft was Quick Air?

[leftyxl]

I am Churchy LaFlamme The greatest pole master of them all.
50 and 1/8th piece of cake jus' don' forget the "have landed sign"

[CoolGuy]

Get back in my truck and fuel airplanes, those are fightin words. Tell me the time and place. I will be there with my fueling gloves on.

[Chantal]

This reminds me of this story I read,
" My wife works in the fuels squadron at an Air Force base and many of her coworkers complain about the superior attitude of the pilots.
One day the fuel crew decided to put things in perspective for the proud pilots. They all came to work wearing shirts inscribed,
"Without fuel, pilots are pedestrians."

so it is true about pilots, just kidding.

[CoolGuy]

Well I am a pilot working on the ground, I have no problem knocking some sence into most piltos. Many times I wanted to knock there heads in right on the ramp but I didn't. But for piltos that give me atttitude and think there good. I make more money than most of them so its all good.

[giligan]

Pilots can fuel planes.

Fuelers cannot fly planes, but they sure do talk the talk.

[sky's the limit]

Well I am a pilot working on the ground, I have no problem knocking some sence into most piltos. Many times I wanted to knock there heads in right on the ramp but I didn't. But for piltos that give me atttitude and think there good. I make more money than most of them so its all good.

Coolguy,

How can you possibly "knock sense into most pilots," when you obviously have none yourself? I agree there are many pilots who could use a slight attidute adjustment, but judging by what you've posted here, you're not the one to be`offering any advice...

STL

[Raybanman]

Get back in my truck and fuel airplanes, those are fightin words. Tell me the time and place. I will be there with my fueling gloves on.

CoolGuy, I appologize for the fueler comment, it was in poor taste (I've been a fueler/rampie/dockhand too). The message, I think was valid: You as an un-involved and inexperienced pilot (I say that because I can't imagine an experienced one making these comments), having observed from the ground that you think that the aircraft could have made it in is absurd. I hope you realize as you spend a bit more time in the industry that there are many variables to an approach. Just to bring one to your attention: how much fuel does an RJ burn to complete 2 approaches and 2 missed approaches (maybe a hold in there somewhere for sequencing?) at destination, fly to thier alternate shoot an approach and a missed approach there and fly for 30 minutes? and did they plan for that much fuel? They probably couldn't safely try a second approach at YMM and still make it back to thier alternate with IFR reserves. Again, all of this is speculation too. It just frustrates me to see someone saying things like "well so-and-so made it in". Good for them.

Cheers,
PP

[CoolGuy]

I didn't say they should have made it in. I was just saying it is rare to see a plane visually in IFR do a full overshoot. Usually you just hear them overshoot but I saw it right from when it broke out. But all pilots have to tell me there opinion and I don't really care. I am a pilot and I don't think I am good cause I am from Fort Mcmurray and nobody cares about pilots. Its all about money and to pick up ladies you tell them your a rig pig not a pilot. raybanman your a good guy.