This is maybe a silly time to ask this as I am leaving the country in a few days and coming back in October but I’m wondering if there are any experienced pilots out there who would be willing to take a guy under their wing while he’s starting out. I have no intention of going the instructor route so I’d like to talk to someone who did the bush route. I just finished my CPL, will work on IFR after I get back.
Thanks,
Wacko
Mentor in YYC?
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Re: Mentor in YYC?
It's funny you would ask this question...we the boys @ Avcanada are starting a mentor program and gather information to establish a mentor program for all avenues of aviation. Based on volunteers taking on young professionals or soon to be for advice.Wacko wrote:This is maybe a silly time to ask this as I am leaving the country in a few days and coming back in October but I’m wondering if there are any experienced pilots out there who would be willing to take a guy under their wing while he’s starting out. I have no intention of going the instructor route so I’d like to talk to someone who did the bush route. I just finished my CPL, will work on IFR after I get back.
Thanks,
Wacko
Categories and career interests would include
Airline-pilot & engineers
Commuter-pilot & engineers
Regional-pilot & engineers
Bush/float-pilot & engineers
Fire-pilot & engineers
Cargo-pilot & engineers
Instructing& schools-pilot & engineers
Island hopping-pilot & engineers
Expats/overseas jobs-pilot & engineers
Transport Canada/TSB crash investigation
Time building jobs -pilot
Colleges and Universities for pilots & engineers
Etcetera…etcetera.
Feel free to add niches I may have overlooked.
We ask for volunteers to fill these categories who are willing to help out anyone with questions. I suggest this forum of names and contact info (however this is distributed) be placed between General and Misc. slot for greater exposure during the "Introductory" phase of this unique concept.
This initiative may catapult this site into a unique realm in progressive thinking by an aviation website.
The list of benefits is long to help those people at the bottom of the pole or initial stages of their careers.
Thoughts?
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Re: Mentor in YYC?
You forgot the beloved ATS folks?I am Birddog wrote:It's funny you would ask this question...we the boys @ Avcanada are starting a mentor program and gather information to establish a mentor program for all avenues of aviation. Based on volunteers taking on young professionals or soon to be for advice.
Categories and career interests would include
Airline-pilot & engineers
Commuter-pilot & engineers
Regional-pilot & engineers
Bush/float-pilot & engineers
Fire-pilot & engineers
Cargo-pilot & engineers
Instructing& schools-pilot & engineers
Island hopping-pilot & engineers
Expats/overseas jobs-pilot & engineers
Transport Canada/TSB crash investigation
Time building jobs -pilot
Colleges and Universities for pilots & engineers
Etcetera…etcetera.
Feel free to add niches I may have overlooked.
We ask for volunteers to fill these categories who are willing to help out anyone with questions. I suggest this forum of names and contact info (however this is distributed) be placed between General and Misc. slot for greater exposure during the "Introductory" phase of this unique concept.
This initiative may catapult this site into a unique realm in progressive thinking by an aviation website.
The list of benefits is long to help those people at the bottom of the pole or initial stages of their careers.
Thoughts?
Re: Mentor in YYC?
Gosh darn it!!! How did I over look that!?lilfssister wrote:
You forgot the beloved ATS folks?
Besides...you people don't need the help anyway...you've made all the right choices in life.
Did you wish to be involved as a mentor Lilfssister?
Anyone else care to contribute to this industry in a positive manner and maximize resources like this site to do good and steer the youngin's in the right direction?
Please PM me and we'll see if we can get enough interested people in helping a few people with giving advice as a mentor type of role in their career(s).
This does not mean you have to take out some time in your day to meet them, but emailing would be the primary source of communication. It's however the mentor/mentee relationship would evolve on a case to case basis. It's really up to the two people how to progress and develope their relationship.
Thoughts?
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thoughts... i have been thinking about this.... think it would be awesome to clear up some of the delusions, inspire some of the hopes and perhaps widen the views of many potential pie-oh-lets and lettes, and encourage others to get real jobs.
just curious about how this progresses.
Could it be we actually help other folks? what has become of us?!
just curious about how this progresses.
Could it be we actually help other folks? what has become of us?!
Personally I would like someone who had gone through what I will be going through. Meaning, not try to sell me on being an instructor. I have a clear picture as to where I want to be and how to get there, but I don’t know if it’s realistic. I can’t talk to anyone at a school because for the most part they will tell me what I want to hear. Someone with contacts up there would also be an asset
Ok. got some of the idea. When you mention contacts up north. Why?
I think it is good you understand the FTU BS, but , in all fairness to them, they are in the business of selling training and many of the instructors and staff have little experience outside the flight school realm.
Please elaborate a little more on what you would expect a mentor to provide, in as much detail as possible.
I think it is good you understand the FTU BS, but , in all fairness to them, they are in the business of selling training and many of the instructors and staff have little experience outside the flight school realm.
Please elaborate a little more on what you would expect a mentor to provide, in as much detail as possible.
Ok.
I want to know how much you should bend before calling them on it. Realistically I have always flown in next to perfect weather. Outside of known icing, how for does one push it?
Being from a bigger city I always have some navaid at my disposal and it’s hard to miss finding where I want to go. How is it up north? What happens if you get lost? Is there DF steering? (ok… this is kind of a silly question but… )
The school I flew with has generally always kept their planes up to … working… conditions. I personally never experienced a real engine failure and neither did the instructors. What's your experiance with that?
When doing a walk around I know what to look for… but do I?
What is a honest salary to expect being new?
Here’s what I know, or think I know:
You will wash planes and do office work while flying
Depending on where you go they will max you out every month
If you can see the runway past the nose, you’re flying
Planes are not in the best of shape
Etc.
I mean.. I can go on and on… I think that there are many stereotypes about these north oppers and I want to know what is true and what isn’t. My biggest concern is… “will I fit in”? What kind of culture is up there. Stuff like that…
… as for the contacts, I think that no matter where you go if you get a recommend your resume gets put on top of the pile. If YOU as my mentor think I will fit in to company xyz, why wouldn’t I take advantage of that? If not, can I change?
I want to know how much you should bend before calling them on it. Realistically I have always flown in next to perfect weather. Outside of known icing, how for does one push it?
Being from a bigger city I always have some navaid at my disposal and it’s hard to miss finding where I want to go. How is it up north? What happens if you get lost? Is there DF steering? (ok… this is kind of a silly question but… )
The school I flew with has generally always kept their planes up to … working… conditions. I personally never experienced a real engine failure and neither did the instructors. What's your experiance with that?
When doing a walk around I know what to look for… but do I?
What is a honest salary to expect being new?
Here’s what I know, or think I know:
You will wash planes and do office work while flying
Depending on where you go they will max you out every month
If you can see the runway past the nose, you’re flying
Planes are not in the best of shape
Etc.
I mean.. I can go on and on… I think that there are many stereotypes about these north oppers and I want to know what is true and what isn’t. My biggest concern is… “will I fit in”? What kind of culture is up there. Stuff like that…
… as for the contacts, I think that no matter where you go if you get a recommend your resume gets put on top of the pile. If YOU as my mentor think I will fit in to company xyz, why wouldn’t I take advantage of that? If not, can I change?
Here you go Wacko.Wacko wrote:Personally I would like someone who had gone through what I will be going through. Meaning, not try to sell me on being an instructor. I have a clear picture as to where I want to be and how to get there, but I don’t know if it’s realistic. I can’t talk to anyone at a school because for the most part they will tell me what I want to hear. Someone with contacts up there would also be an asset
If you don't want to instruct you have to suck it up and work the ramp. Chances are you will not fall into a left seat position, certainly in YYC without daddy owning a company or being best friends with the boss. The ramp has it's positives and negitives, long hours, crummy pay (better then instructor), cold, finger numbing back braking work. You will then get to sit left seat and will take you a lot longer to get your ATPL requirements so you will be passed by the instructors for a position because they will be able to upgrade quicker.
Instructing isn't for everyone and fortunitly you recognise this and don't make the students suffer like other instructors (time builders) do.
Go North young man and they will take care of you.
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Take my land
Take me where I cannot stand
I don't care
I'm still free
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Take my land
Take me where I cannot stand
I don't care
I'm still free
You cannot take the sky from me
We will be kindly asking people to donate some time to mentoring young professionals that have an interest in certain areas and niches of aviation.trey kule wrote: What are the expectations you have for a mentor?
Joe has assigned me to be the primary organizer of this project of pooling all resources. There will be an official cattle call for mentors. Only those chosen are those that have contributed to this site in a positive manner. So...that counts me out
....anyway....
Unless it's someone we know...I doubt unknown 2 post wonders would make the cut as a mentor.
The rules and guidelines for the mentors have not yet been established. However, this program is 'for the people, by the people'. So although Avcanada is creating this first ever mentor program, it will only be as successful as the membership wants it to be.
So, now I ask all of you...What are YOUR expectations of a mentor.
IABD
Birddog,
Sitting here reading your post I just realized how difficult that question really is! I think that different people have different needs so the best way IMHO would be to create profiles of those willing to mentor OR those wanting a mentor.
At first I thought that I want an individual with 5000 hours flying for an airline. The place I “think” I want to be at in the future. Then it hit me. If you have 5000+ hours it’s been years since you were in the place where I am right now. The market, especially right now, has changed greatly! My goal right now is to get that first job. Yes I want to develop as a pilot, become wise etc, but if I don’t start working and actually FLYING there is a huge chance that I might have to give up these hopes and dreams of my. I’ve spent a tone of money and I have to start making some back!
I would like to thank Howitzer as he PM’d me and actually gave me a call and talked about his experience in the bush. That was HUGE for me because there are so many things I have not even considered. How could I? I have no clue what’s going on! Thanks again Howitzer!
Anyway, going back to the question at hand. I think it’s a personality thing vs. experience. It’s just like instructors, some have the need to actually TEACH you, others want to take you up to build their time. Unbiased or someone who acknowledges their bias. I stop listening the moment someone says “this is BETTER because…” In the end you will grow with this person(s), share stories and such. Aviation is so crazy, there are many “ins”. How you find these people is a problem I leave to you.
I would REALLY like to have access to the go/no go companies. I know in an open forum where people come for many reasons this would be hard. Especially since lots of employers post jobs here. However, I think that a database should be created of companies pros and cons. Let those applying decide with (up to date?) information which company they fit into.
I have a couple ideas for here in Calgary regarding starting this thing but I don’t know how many experienced guys would be willing to participate, and I wouldn’t want to start anything until I get back from my trip
W
Sitting here reading your post I just realized how difficult that question really is! I think that different people have different needs so the best way IMHO would be to create profiles of those willing to mentor OR those wanting a mentor.
At first I thought that I want an individual with 5000 hours flying for an airline. The place I “think” I want to be at in the future. Then it hit me. If you have 5000+ hours it’s been years since you were in the place where I am right now. The market, especially right now, has changed greatly! My goal right now is to get that first job. Yes I want to develop as a pilot, become wise etc, but if I don’t start working and actually FLYING there is a huge chance that I might have to give up these hopes and dreams of my. I’ve spent a tone of money and I have to start making some back!
I would like to thank Howitzer as he PM’d me and actually gave me a call and talked about his experience in the bush. That was HUGE for me because there are so many things I have not even considered. How could I? I have no clue what’s going on! Thanks again Howitzer!
Anyway, going back to the question at hand. I think it’s a personality thing vs. experience. It’s just like instructors, some have the need to actually TEACH you, others want to take you up to build their time. Unbiased or someone who acknowledges their bias. I stop listening the moment someone says “this is BETTER because…” In the end you will grow with this person(s), share stories and such. Aviation is so crazy, there are many “ins”. How you find these people is a problem I leave to you.
I would REALLY like to have access to the go/no go companies. I know in an open forum where people come for many reasons this would be hard. Especially since lots of employers post jobs here. However, I think that a database should be created of companies pros and cons. Let those applying decide with (up to date?) information which company they fit into. I have a couple ideas for here in Calgary regarding starting this thing but I don’t know how many experienced guys would be willing to participate, and I wouldn’t want to start anything until I get back from my trip
W
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Sounds like a good idea. I know I get a LOT of PM's about Navcanada and ATS, and always try to help outI am Birddog wrote:We will be kindly asking people to donate some time to mentoring young professionals that have an interest in certain areas and niches of aviation.
Joe has assigned me to be the primary organizer of this project of pooling all resources. There will be an official cattle call for mentors. Only those chosen are those that have contributed to this site in a positive manner. So...that counts me out
....anyway....
Unless it's someone we know...I doubt unknown 2 post wonders would make the cut as a mentor.
The rules and guidelines for the mentors have not yet been established. However, this program is 'for the people, by the people'. So although Avcanada is creating this first ever mentor program, it will only be as successful as the membership wants it to be.
So, now I ask all of you...What are YOUR expectations of a mentor.
IABD
Re: Mentor in YYC?
I would very much like to help in anyway I can.I am Birddog wrote:It's funny you would ask this question...we the boys @ Avcanada are starting a mentor program and gather information to establish a mentor program for all avenues of aviation. Based on volunteers taking on young professionals or soon to be for advice.Wacko wrote:This is maybe a silly time to ask this as I am leaving the country in a few days and coming back in October but I’m wondering if there are any experienced pilots out there who would be willing to take a guy under their wing while he’s starting out. I have no intention of going the instructor route so I’d like to talk to someone who did the bush route. I just finished my CPL, will work on IFR after I get back.
Thanks,
Wacko
Categories and career interests would include
Airline-pilot & engineers
Commuter-pilot & engineers
Regional-pilot & engineers
Bush/float-pilot & engineers
Fire-pilot & engineers
Cargo-pilot & engineers
Instructing& schools-pilot & engineers
Island hopping-pilot & engineers
Expats/overseas jobs-pilot & engineers
Transport Canada/TSB crash investigation
Time building jobs -pilot
Colleges and Universities for pilots & engineers
Etcetera…etcetera.
Feel free to add niches I may have overlooked.
We ask for volunteers to fill these categories who are willing to help out anyone with questions. I suggest this forum of names and contact info (however this is distributed) be placed between General and Misc. slot for greater exposure during the "Introductory" phase of this unique concept.
This initiative may catapult this site into a unique realm in progressive thinking by an aviation website.
The list of benefits is long to help those people at the bottom of the pole or initial stages of their careers.
Thoughts?
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Wacko: great post. I'm getting people coming forward willing to donate their time to this worthy cause. I'm hoping this will be a tool put to good use. It's something I, and many other did not have.
lilfssister: Thanks
Haz: With your experience, you have been in this industry for years you are more than qualified to be a mentor. Perhaps one of the better voices for those looking to start up flying and gathering from all the people and companies you meet on the ramp, you'll know who is hireing and who is not before it hits the news stands. Thank you.
Fotoflyer: I can't help it...it's all I see.
lilfssister: Thanks
Haz: With your experience, you have been in this industry for years you are more than qualified to be a mentor. Perhaps one of the better voices for those looking to start up flying and gathering from all the people and companies you meet on the ramp, you'll know who is hireing and who is not before it hits the news stands. Thank you.
Fotoflyer: I can't help it...it's all I see.
