Got to love Air Canada

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 7:09 am

Scrambled legs
I know we can use a 6000' for a take off, but if there's a longer strip there why not use it As long as it doesn't incure a delay.

As for waiting for a gate, 90% of the time we wait for our wonderful ground crew to show up. Yes we do get "double booked" at gates and may have to wait for a few minutes, but that is usually because were early.

The cargo hold is really only an issue on the 705 and that is being addressed - the plan is to remove the rear galley, and move the rear bulkhead forward increasing the cargo area greatly - no more problem.

As for not being able to complete the before take off checks fast when cleared an immediate, I dont know whats going on there. maybe a fault showed up, maybe it's someone newer on the machine who needs/wants to take that extra bit of time to make sure all item are done. It can usually be done before the AC is lined up unless there is a fault.

justplanecrazy · Post by **justplanecrazy** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 7:42 am

rusty nail · Post by **rusty nail** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 7:45 am

ZZJAYCA,
After reading you're intelligent post I'm going to guess you're 2 years old.Everyone some point in time misses radio calls you know it all.Grow up LOSER!

bcflyer · Post by **bcflyer** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 7:53 am

Scrambled Legs, would you mind mentioning which tower you are talking about? If Jazz pilots are pushing so many buttons have you written a complaint to Jazz?

zzjayca · Post by **zzjayca** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:49 am

rusty nail wrote:ZZJAYCA,
After reading you're intelligent post I'm going to guess you're 2 years old.Everyone some point in time misses radio calls you know it all.Grow up LOSER!

I'm hoping Birddog is right and it is just the learning curve that is affecting the newer crews. However, it does increase our workload and we aren't talking the occasional missed call. I agree they do happen, but, in the past three months, Jazz has missed more than any other company I can think of.

I'm sorry if my post struck a nerve but it really is becoming a problem.

On another note, what's up with your company refusing to change the flight numbers on certain flights to avoid confusion. As just one example, everyday JZA8833 is 5 minutes ahead of JZA8823. Your company is the only company to flat out refuse a request by ATS to avoid filing similar flight numbers.

Every other airline, including WJA and ACA, when requested to change flight numbers has tried their best to do so.

scrambled_legs · Post by **scrambled_legs** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 3:18 pm

KAG wrote:Scrambled legs
I know we can use a 6000' for a take off, but if there's a longer strip there why not use it As long as it doesn't incure a delay.

KAG I fully understand that it is often safer and smarter to take the longer runway and we always allow it. The thing that upsets us is that it is never requested even when asking for taxi. Your competition lets us know with clearance, but several of the pilots have even given me attitude when I asked for them to let us know earlier in future. I've gotten the impression that some don't even listen to the ATIS or know what's active ie the guy planning on departing the NOTAM'd closed runway. It's gotten to the point where there may be letters sent to company as someone suggested but rather then paint all the pilots with the same brush, I'd prefer to try dealing with the pilots causing the problems. It's sad when a C172 calls up with the atis and a request for an inactive rwy and you're saying, gee I wish the CRJ pilots would make their calls like that.

On another note, it's good to see the baggage issues are being dealt with. As far as the gates go, something needs to be changed. Up to 60min. waiting for an RJ that's late pushing back is not acceptable whether it's the ground crews fault or not although I have seen some improvement with this. It's too bad the posted times for delayed flights only refer to air time and not deboarding time, otherwise the public would see the issue.

Fox 3 · Post by **Fox 3** » Sun Aug 20, 2006 10:00 pm

wingtip wrote:
Sage wrote:
Well, good for Westjet. When they get to be the size of AC or Jazz, let's see if they can continue to keep passengers as fat, dumb, and happy as you seem to be with them. Let's see how they are going to deal with what would be the same problems that AC or Jazz have to face daily.
So you are saying that a "service" based company that is large is ok to be negligent in providing the service they sell??? Wow, that alone is enough of an attidude to make me look for alternatives to AC.

You should be thankful that the crew took the time to delay the flight for maintenance issues and not be all cowboy about it and just go.
Oh boy, another "cowboy" reference from an eastern AC pilot. Is that part of the training these days?? I am thinking you have a problem with the poster as opposed to what he posted. Are you suggesting they pay less attention to discrepancies at Westjet than we did at AC?? If so, you are truly ignorant and are the problem that exists in the crews working today.

If you've never experience a maintenance delay on WJ (being the world traveler that you seem to be) I'd be a little worried. I might suggest that you look into their maintenance practices because every airplane has to break sometime.
I think he is referring to a pattern in AC's performance. I am sure Bandaid and everyone can accept real maintenance delays.

I see now that all the medics are the same all over...
What the Fk does this relate to? Remove you swollen head from your ass anytime.......

Good For You, Well Said.

Lowjack · Post by **Lowjack** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:16 am

Well I for one was glad when they made us get off a 705 from YYC-LAX to swap out a tire that was showing signs of wear. Damn that 25 minute delay, I could have had a real in flight emergency instead!

Oh wait, I got to my destination alive. I guess things are ok then.

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:46 am

Traf wrote:Quit your whinning! If you had half a brain in your head you would know that with air travel, delays happen.

Don't like it, go by train!

Let me guess your one of these guys that when you hear of a plane crash you say shit happens. I don't think anyone is debating that delays occur and always will. The problem is how the airline handles the problem. I've had delays with westjet however the captain always kept us up to date as to what was going on if we we're on the plane. The delays I encountered in the terminal we're also managed well by westjet's staff. There is a reason that westjet is kickin AC in the balls and it's entirely customer service.

AC needs to learn not to bite the hand that feeds you.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:05 am

I flew Jazz and Air Canada on my trip to Ont. last month.

The ticket agents in Nanaimo and Windsor for Jazz were apalling in their attitude, I am used to flying by airlines, but just imagine how people who seldom fly feel being trated like they are doing something wrong by standing in front of a ticket agent to get a boarding pass.

It can sour a whole trip for some I'm sure.

Is this attitude caused by low pay or poor working conditions at Jazz?

2low · Post by **2low** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:37 am

Low pay and very shitty working conditions will make anybody go nutz.

Zing!

justplanecrazy · Post by **justplanecrazy** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:08 pm

Actually I believe the Jazz ticket agents are still part of Air Canada and are actually very well paid with secure jobs and benefits, if only the pilots could say the same. Oh, the security comes from a great union that'll back up the biggest B*$#ch in the group, despite customer service being her job, hence the wonderful treatment behind the counter.

lilfssister · Post by **lilfssister** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:20 pm

justplanecrazy wrote:Actually I believe the Jazz ticket agents are still part of Air Canada and are actually very well paid with secure jobs and benefits, if only the pilots could say the same. Oh, the security comes from a great union that'll back up the biggest B*$#ch in the group, despite customer service being her job, hence the wonderful treatment behind the counter.

Pretty sure they are separate. If you have only Jazz flights going to that airport they are Jazz employees, if Big Red goes in they (maybe) are AC employees?

2low · Post by **2low** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:44 pm

Awe shit.....you took the words right out of my mouth.

Fox 3 · Post by **Fox 3** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:06 pm

ODD GUY

Do you ever just bitch OR moan and not both at once?

Just Curious.

ODDERGUY · Post by **ODDERGUY** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:07 pm

Fox 3, this is a forum, in case you were unaware. I gave my opinion based on fact. If you have issues with that mabe dont read them or disregard them. Editted JC

lilfssister · Post by **lilfssister** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:11 pm

ODDERGUY wrote:Fox 3, this is a forum, in case you were unaware. I gave my opinion based on fact. If you have issues with that mabe dont read them or disregard them. You fruit cake dirtbiker

Wow..I never knew EVERY employee of Air Canada/Jazz was in FACT an easterner AND gay! You learn something new every day.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:13 pm

" as Our Governments airline(Air Canada) Is full of a bunch of cry baby union EDITTTED. So shove that up your EDITTTED. Any AC EDITTTED out their. Air Canada EDITTTED Sucks and I have not a single good experience with in any sort of respect when it comes to That group of eastern EDITTTED. "

Odderguy if this is an indication of your intelligence the sooner the mods ban you the better it will be for this forum.

Kilo-Kilo · Post by **Kilo-Kilo** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:20 pm

But Cat, then we wouldn't have great one-liner's like this one of his:

ODDERGUY wrote: You fruit cake dirtbiker

just curious · Post by **just curious** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:21 pm

Odderguy,
A word to the wise. Give a bit of thought to both what you write and how you write it.
JC

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:23 pm

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:47 pm

http://www.werty.net/2005/06/air-canada-sucks.html

Fox 3 · Post by **Fox 3** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:23 pm

...nevermind, not worth it.

Sorry for not contributing to the thread, my bad.

shwaman · Post by **shwaman** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 6:13 pm

I don't know if it is just me....but reading all these posts, makes you realize a couple things about the industry...it is in a bit of a sorry state!
First off, what happened! everybody is on such edge, and at each others throats, and we wonder why life has been so tough, we can't even get along with each other on a respectable level! And this at a time when airlines are actually hiring...

Have to say some of the posts are a little surprizing as well, considering the responsibility of the posters, be it ATC, pilot, maintenance, medic....etc. To read some of them, not all of them! but some....it seems like high school name calling, and whining, not quite the maturity level what you would expect.

And I am not saying I am overly mature by any means, or saying one airline is better then the other, but I think we all realize that delays are inevitable, peoples personalities differ, some agents will be bitter, some friendly, in any airline.....pilots are not perfect, ATC is not perfect....we all do our best, it is inevitable some people will tick us off sometimes and lead us to generalize.....I think thats what we need to avoid, lets not paint a whole company, or whole professional discipline with the same brush because of the actions of a few....Can't we all just get along!

gli77 · Post by **gli77** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 7:09 pm

No we can't.