Liquid ban

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:10 am

I haven't flown since the ban on liquids came into effect. Are you allowed to bring drinks on the plane that are purchased once in the secure area?

CD · Post by CD » Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:05 am

Nope...

CATSA

wan2fly99 · Post by **wan2fly99** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:44 am

So I am taking a flight to Europe soon

Will I be able to bring my radio on board> It is a old scanner AM/FM radio

chipmunk · Post by **chipmunk** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:32 am

No bottled water or chapstick, but you can still wear a gel pushup bra...

From the website:

Portable computers and other electronic devices such as CD players, digital cameras and cellular phones ARE PERMITTED in carry-on baggage.

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NO LIQUIDS, GELS OR AEROSOLS

Liquids, gels, or aerosols ARE NOT PERMITTED in carry-on baggage on all flights departing from Canadian airports. Passengers should pack liquids, gels or aerosols in checked baggage.

Liquids in containers of any size include (but are not limited to): Liquids (such as beverages, puddings, yogurts, body creams and lotions, bubble bath, non-aerosol hair sprays, liquid foundations and concealers, non-essential liquid medicines, liquid soaps or cleansers, make-up removers, facial cleansers, moisturizers, mascaras, mosquito/bug sprays, mouthwashes, nail polishes and removers, ointments, perfumes, colognes, after-shaves, contact lens solutions, shampoos, conditioners, shaving creams, toothpastes, topical creams and ice packs. Camelbacks and similar water-holding backpacks must be empty).

Gels in containers of any size include (but are not limited to): Gels and gel-like substances (such as gel-based sports supplements, hair styling gels, gel candles, gelatine-based food products, gel capsules, gel deodorants, bath gels, hand sanitizers, lip glosses, lip gels, facial gels, aloe vera gels, shaving gels, gel toothpastes, gel topical creams, gel shoe inserts, gel packs).

Aerosols include (but are not limited to): insect repellent, hairsprays and deodorant.

Exceptions include the following:

Baby formula, breast milk and baby food in small containers if traveling with a baby or small child of two years of age or under;

Prescription medicine with a name that matches the passenger's ticket/boarding pass;

Essential non-prescription medication (not to exceed 120ml / 4oz per container and for diabetic passengers, liquids/gels not to exceed 148ml / 5oz per container);

Gel-filled bras and similar prosthetics...

Chop&Drop · Post by **Chop&Drop** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:26 am

So by the above statement I have to leave my Dr. Scholls at security! How retarded it that, or if I wear contacts I have to leave the solution for them there too. This is not helping our industry! Stupid knee-jerk reactions like this are never going to solve the "terrorism threat"! Some one needs to reel in CATSA and give em a smack in the face!

End of rant... for now!

dangerous · Post by **dangerous** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:39 am

So let me get this straight. You can have gel inserts in your bra but not in your shoes? I can just see the CATSA execs sitting around the table deciding all this:

"OK guys, so we're going to ban all gels."

"Wait, what about Dr Scholls or gel bras?"

"Good point Johnson. We'll allow gel bras because everyone likes looking at bigger boobs. Innersoles don't do anything for anyone, so they're banned!"

Fr8 dawg · Post by **Fr8 dawg** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:39 am

Never mind those goddamn gels and contact lenses solutions.
The question is how the &$*@ am I going to face a 9 hour flight without my moonshine I used to sneak in ??!!

CD · Post by CD » Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:39 am

Hey, don't just bash on CATSA. I provided the link to them 'cuz here we sits in Canada, but it's the Brits and Americans that are leading the way on the prohibited items...

UK Prohibited Items
TSA Prohibited Items

Besides, at least we don't have to taste the baby milk and liquid baby food like they do in the UK...

W5 · Post by W5 » Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:06 am

Are they going to ban silicone boobs....

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:28 am

what about pens? they have liquid.

And I do blame CATSA entirely. The are responsible for passanger screening in Canada. They are human beings and posses the capacity for individual thought. If the UK and US jumped off a bridge?

Why is it that is someone else is retarded we have to follow suit?

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:15 pm

" And I do blame CATSA entirely. The are responsible for passanger screening in Canada. They are human beings and posses the capacity for individual thought. "

On what do you base that ?

The evidence does not support such an assumption.

Rowdy · Post by **Rowdy** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:26 pm

When dropping the girlfriend off for a flight last week I noticed they were scanning ALL checked bags as well and NO open or unsealed bottles of any kind were allowed in the CHECKED baggage. Whats the deal with that?

I say screw 705 ops.. lets all just start chartering king airs and such and avoid the hassle. I'd love to see CATSA's or whatever the associations name is freak when they hear about the stuff hauled in every other freakin airplane out there!

I personally believe it's all some kind of scam to sell more food/drinks and such at the destination airports and on the flights. Pretty soon All the major carriers will start charging for water and pop and juice!

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:26 pm

Sorry Cat, I guess I assume too much.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:37 pm

Thank krist mello, I thought you were eating magic mushrooms or something when you typed that.

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:39 pm

I guess you have to be high to think that people who hold control over our lives have any kind of sense.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:57 pm

Mello....

..some advice from a Cat to old to be fuc.ed by kittens...

Only you have control over your life.

If you are blessed with common sense you will figure out a way to circumvent the cretins who try and over regulate your life.

sky's the limit · Post by **sky's the limit** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 2:03 pm

Rowdy wrote: I personally believe it's all some kind of scam to sell more food/drinks and such at the destination airports and on the flights. Pretty soon All the major carriers will start charging for water and pop and juice!

BINGO!

In YVR two weels ago, they were selling bottled water without the bottle, pour what you can into a plastic cup, and away you go....

STL

CD · Post by CD » Thu Aug 31, 2006 2:09 pm

Rowdy wrote:I say screw 705 ops.. lets all just start chartering king airs and such and avoid the hassle.

Alternative travel arrangements available here...

FamilyGuy · Post by **FamilyGuy** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 2:09 pm

What's really wrong with this is it accomplishes absolutely nothing.

It's alot like locking your car doors - keeps the honest people out.

Really think about it. The security folks are doing there best, but is asking me if I have any "liquids" really accomplishing anything? All checked bags goes through that nice little x-ray machine but your person doesn't. I don't think the metal detector we walk through will find any non-metalic objects secured to a person's body.

I think they should just get on with it and ban ALL passengers from the insides of all airlines and be done with it.

trey kule · Post by **trey kule** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 2:45 pm

FR8Dog wrote

Never mind those goddamn gels and contact lenses solutions.
The question is how the &$*@ am I going to face a 9 hour flight without my moonshine I used to sneak in ??!!

Hint:

CD · Post by CD » Thu Aug 31, 2006 3:59 pm

...Word emerged earlier this month that a London-based conspiracy intended to blow up US jetliners using hard-to-detect liquid explosives. The news ignited chaos at airports everywhere. Within hours, authorities threw down a gauntlet of tight security restrictions -- most notably an indefinite ban on liquids in carry-on luggage. Overcome by skittishness, flyers touched off a plague of false alarms: planes being diverted, fighter jets scrambled, ``suspicious" travelers removed in handcuffs.

Our reaction was outlandish and self-defeating, moving quickly from a state of reasonable anxiety to one of hysteria, and in the process giving terrorists exactly what they want. Our mindset, addled by the fireballs of Sept. 11 and a five-year obsession with terrorism, is distressingly irrational.

For example, an Al Qaeda plot based on stealthy liquid explosives was uncovered in 1995. If confiscating commonplace personal items makes us safer, why wasn't it done 11 years ago? Because it doesn't make us safer. In 1995 we were calm enough to accept that the real job of security belongs to intelligence and law enforcement professionals, not airport screeners. We are free to ban everything from pencils to chewing gum; there will remain limitless ways to smuggle dangerous, undetectable items onto aircraft. That's not capitulation. What's going on at airports this month is capitulation...

Air safety is a state of mind

Rowdy · Post by **Rowdy** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:35 pm

Seriously though. How do the 703 and 704 operators get away without the heavy security measures? A navajo, king air or any other light to mid twin or turboprop can make a great platform should these so called terrorists choose to use them.

Yet how could they inforce the regs in places like Fondulac or pickle lake? maybe moose factory should start to worry. *groans* It's just plain nonsense.

I'm also curious as to when the last time a CANADIAN carrier had an aircraft Hijacked or even an attempt made?

I can see unlabelled open botels being an issue.. but sealed and labelled cans of pop, water and whatever else? These folk need to give their heads a shake. Whats next? explosive gummy bears and potato chips?

CD · Post by CD » Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:11 pm

Rowdy wrote:I'm also curious as to when the last time a CANADIAN carrier had an aircraft Hijacked or even an attempt made?

Not sure about the last time but the first was AC 932, sked YQT-YYZ, on Dec. 26, 1971:

Canada's first successful plane hijacking

As a follow-up to the story:

On September 8th, 2001, Patrick Dolan Critton, aged 54, was arrested at his home in Mount Vernon for allegedly hijacking an Air Canada flight in 1971. Armed with a gun and a grenade he had demanded to be taken to Cuba, although he allowed the passengers to deplane in Toronto. Critton is believed to have stayed in Cuba for 3 years, then moved to Tanzania until he returned to New York in 1994, where he has been a teacher ever since.

On June 12, 2002, he was sentenced to three year's imprisonment for the December 26 1971 hijacking of an Air Canada DC-9 in Thunder Bay, Ontario. Armed with a pistol and a grenade, Critton had forced the pilot to fly to Cuba having released the passengers in Toronto. Critton disappeared on his release from gaol and was only found when a Canadian investigator entered his name in an internet search engine and came up with one reference to Patrick Critton in Westchester County, a wealthy suburb of New York City. Critton was living there, using his real name, working as a schoolteacher and raising two sons. The judge took two years off his sentence for time served, and recommended accelerated parole; Critton could be released after less than a year in jail.

Flybabe · Post by **Flybabe** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:20 am

Rowdy wrote:... Whats next? explosive gummy bears and potato chips?

Banish the thought.. I couldn't survive without gummy bears

I think the liquid ban is absolutely ridiculous as well. Just flew out of Calgary, had LOTS of gels/liquids/etc in checked bags and not hassled at all.

I can't wait for the day that a terrorist charters a navajo or kingair.. what's going to happen to the industry then?

North Shore · Post by **North Shore** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:42 pm

I can't wait for the day that a terrorist charters a navajo or kingair.. what's going to happen to the industry then?

Why bother? You wouldn't kill enough people or damage enough stuff to make the sort of news headlines that would draw attention to your cause. I suspect that if you smashed a 'Ho into the CN tower, you'd do little more than chip the concrete..