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North Shore · Post by **North Shore** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:26 pm

Of those that have flown bush I am sure everyone has dozens of stories when they loaded the shit out of their planes

Nope, just one, if you're smart; none if you are smarter still.
I've done it once - flew for 30 minutes with my hand on the throttle to stop it (my hand) from shaking. Never again. Two 75% loads are way better than one 150%!

Edited to add: Not suggesting that this accident was due to overloading, simply responding to the quoted selection.

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 2:39 pm

V1CUT wrote:it was a case of bad luck

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Didn't know airplanes flew on luck

V1CUT · Post by **V1CUT** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:38 pm

well when your flying off of eskers, your not exactly pulling a balanced field takeoff. he got airborne, and lost all of his head wind component (windshear) have you every taken off and tried to turn downwind to early and sink quite a bit, now just imagine 15 ft above water and it happens without a turn. IMHO that equals bad luck (out of control of the pilot)

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AntiNakedMan · Post by **AntiNakedMan** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:57 pm

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prang one · Post by **prang one** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 3:58 pm

Why take off when "windshear" or its components are present

Why land on such a sort piece of dirt in the first place

Give they chap a medal for trying though

and then send him to the hospital with padded walls

V1CUT · Post by **V1CUT** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:23 pm

obviously you guys know absolutly everything so why waste my typing, why don't you tell me what happend and how it should be properly done, you don't think that esker flying is any different than flying on gravel, get a clue!!! until the time of the accident the wind was steady down the pipe. just because theres not a 5000ft paved lighted runway with an ILS make us northerners cazy! and do things that have been done safely before, theres always going to be this type of flying!

what makes doing this kind of work any different then flying six people around in single engine piston in the mountains and on the off chance you might have an engine failure, guess thats the pilots fault as well, or should he of turned down the job??

Have a good one boys

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AntiNakedMan · Post by **AntiNakedMan** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:17 pm

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V1CUT · Post by **V1CUT** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 5:56 pm

prang one wrote:

Give they chap a medal for trying though and then send him to the hospital with padded walls

thats who the ILS comment was for

AntiNakedMan wrote:

I've never flown an ILS before, so you'll have to excuse me if I don't get that comment.

and half of the guys commenting haven't been in an esker before!

AntiNakedMan wrote:

I find flying off an esker is no worse than flying off a gravel strip, just a little rougher.

I would like you to tell me how, other than roughness, it's any different than flying on gravel.

length, constant runway condition changes (not Maintained), rough (yeah i know you said that one) grass, rocks upslopes, downslopes, soft, standing water, etc................

Sure, it's been done safely before, but they took a 99 into Kaskattama a bunch of times, they only had to break the gear once to stop doing it.

i think theres going to be alot more restrictions at the company regarding offstrip work

operators are like children, they will keep playing on the stairs until they fall once, usually they learn from it

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Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:03 pm

V1CUT wrote:operators are like children, they will keep playing on the stairs until they fall once, usually they learn from it

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So first you blamed luck now you blame operators. hmmm must be unlucky operators

V1CUT · Post by **V1CUT** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:05 pm

pilot had bad luck

operator there to make money

edit: i'm the one supporting both the pilot and company not blaming either of them!

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buck82 · Post by **buck82** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:40 pm

Maybe should've lifted one float first.. then the other. Whoops.. I mean wheels.

confused · Post by **confused** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 7:22 pm

I've been flying the bush for 22 years,all float,ski &off strip work.As a pilot you try to acess the places you land and depart from.Now if this strip was that short that you needed a strong wind to get airborne with the load that was described on this tread...I think he was useing the wrong plane for the job.Maybe a twin otter should of been called in.I understand this operator has been in and out of this esker a few times,and according to the people at camp all take offs were very interesting.Camp fellows all expected this to happen sooner than later.Was also told some off the pilots refused to go back into this strip.Does the company need the cash flow that bad?I'm in no way slammin the pilot as it could happen to anyone one of us.Just got to stop useing these damn caravans like they are a twin otter.

sprucemonkey · Post by **sprucemonkey** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 9:31 pm

I ain't blaming anyone. Why so defensive??

Anyhow, I did my fair share of offstrip work back in the day. It takes damn good stick&rudder and judgement to do it properly. Their opsmgr knows that, he was up there with me.
He sure in the hell wouldn't send a pilot that wasn't capable of doing the job up there. So what happened? Oops is what happened. The question is......Is the aircraft capable? One day it may be, but if conditions change, maybe not. I've seen caravans stuck in the muck and sand in several places on the bay coast. Hell I've even seen a 200 in one of the larger offstrips.

Seems like a roll of the dice with anything other than a STOL aircraft.

flyingt · Post by **flyingt** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:36 pm

a lot of idiots that have flown a lot of PAVEMENT replying...idiots...don't reply if ya don't know what your talking about...

flyingt · Post by **flyingt** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:39 pm

TO based idiots of sorts....jesus

Northcoast · Post by **Northcoast** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:16 pm

This is just another case of the wrong plane for the job!
I used to fly Twin Otters up North and one day the company had a visit from the Cessna Rep in his shiny new Caravan. I went out and had a look at the single engine wonder and the rep told me that his Caravan could do every thing the Twotter could at half the cost. I replied, "well yesterday I landed on a 2000' Ice covered Gravel strip with a 25 kt cross wind. I used differential power to keep from going out in the rubarb. How's this rig in those conditions?" "Ohh, no problem" he said.
What a joke. As long as people keep doing off strip work with a caravan you'll see lots more of this stuff.

185/310 · Post by **185/310** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:37 pm

But I've landed a king air on a 2100ft strip. Along with many other companies. I agree in what u guys are saying about the caravan, and how its not the best machine for that particular job, but companies are doing it all the time to make a buck. This dosent make things better, but thats avaition for you.

bugspray · Post by **bugspray** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 9:48 pm

Northcoast wrote:This is just another case of the wrong plane for the job!
I used to fly Twin Otters up North and one day the company had a visit from the Cessna Rep in his shiny new Caravan. I went out and had a look at the single engine wonder and the rep told me that his Caravan could do every thing the Twotter could at half the cost. I replied, "well yesterday I landed on a 2000' Ice covered Gravel strip with a 25 kt cross wind. I used differential power to keep from going out in the rubarb. How's this rig in those conditions?" "Ohh, no problem" he said.
What a joke. As long as people keep doing off strip work with a caravan you'll see lots more of this stuff.

Should have asked him where there Cessna Caravan "Demo" airplane is....... .that would have shut him up in a hurry...

ettw · Post by **ettw** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:51 am

Couple of summers ago we got a call to set up a mining company down around Churchill.

Apparently they had originally lined up a Caravan operator to do this for them. The pilot flew out to the esker in a helicopter and decided that it was good enough for him. Well I guess it wasnt cause they went in once, almost slid off the side of the esker and managed to get off.

So along comes me in my Twin Otter. Quite frankly I was a little complacent about the esker. I mean how bad could it be if a Caravan landed there, right? Probably just too soft for the Van. Well holy crap Batman, I couldnt believe my eyes when I got there. I spent 20 minutes flying that esker trying to find a line that was doable. I found one and ended up doing 6 trips into it but I had told the manager that there would be significant restrictions regarding winds, loads, etc.

When its all said and done, I probably shouldnt have been there with my Twin and that makes the Caravan option INSANE!

Some peoples children!

Cheers,

ETTW

linecrew · Post by **linecrew** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:53 am

bugspray wrote:Should have asked him where there Cessna Caravan "Demo" airplane is....... .that would have shut him up in a hurry...

Is that it on the far right of this pic taken in the junkyard at Kamloops? Has the words "Count on it" painted on the side. Anyone know what happened?

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0672799/L/

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Sun Sep 10, 2006 9:41 am

I admire you guys who fly eskers and land in creeks and use the water to make the strip longer; judging the wind, the size of the rocks, the load and all of the other variables that test your skills daily. I used to love the bush flying I did when younger, but I was in a hurry for more money and bigger aircraft. Looking back, the bush, fire and short/STOL strip work I did was by far the most rewarding, and provides me with the most bar-fodder even today.

I'd probably have to go back to the ramp first to do that kind of work today!

Keep up the good work, fly safe and don't be so sensitive.

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