A Brazilian passenger plane with at least 140 people on board has gone missing in the Amazon region.
Brazilian airline Gol said it was trying to locate the plane after it went missing from its radar screens.
Globo news agency reported the Boeing 737 had struck an executive jet, which was then able to land in the Serra de Caximbo region of Para state.
Flight 1907 left the city of Manaus on Friday afternoon, but failed to arrive as scheduled in Brasilia.
Speaking to Brazilian radio station, CBN, the president of the country's aviation regulator Infraero, Jose Carlos Pereira, said the air force was searching for the jet in a densely forested region.
The Gol plane collided with a smaller, Brazilian-made Legacy aircraft which suffered wing damage, Globo news agency reported.
Mr Pereira said a local farmer reported seeing a large, low-flying plane.
BBC.com
Gol's B737 down over Amazon
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Brazil is one of the most fu.ked up bureaucratic countries on earth.
And if the 737 is down in the Matto Grosso between Manaus and Brizilia it may be very difficult to find.
And if the 737 is down in the Matto Grosso between Manaus and Brizilia it may be very difficult to find.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
I've spent a bit of time in and around Manaus, and what I can say for sure, is this must rank as one of the WORST places on the planet to find yourself "down and out". Long-way-from-nowhere starts about 10nm outside of town. Best of luck and wishes to those involved. 
Wonder what kind of shape the other aircraft is in. Must have been a terrifying experience.
Really Cat? I kind of found it was pretty straightforward- Pay the daily 'tax' and everything moved along quite nicely!
Wonder what kind of shape the other aircraft is in. Must have been a terrifying experience.
Really Cat? I kind of found it was pretty straightforward- Pay the daily 'tax' and everything moved along quite nicely!
Aviation- the hardest way possible to make an easy living!
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"Trust everyone, but cut the cards". My Grandma.
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Tango, have you done much flying in Brazil?
I made that comment based on having worked as a pilot in Brazil.
I found it to be just marginally less frustrating than Saudi Arabia.
I made that comment based on having worked as a pilot in Brazil.
I found it to be just marginally less frustrating than Saudi Arabia.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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You have to experience Brazillian bureaucracy to really get a handle on how " S L O W " and expensive things can be.
But cheer up, Canada is not far behind and catching up real fast.
But cheer up, Canada is not far behind and catching up real fast.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
first off, my thoughts go out to the crew and passengers of that airplane.
I've just come back from a over the jungle flight and it would be not fun being a survivor. The Canopy would be very think and would make seeing the aircraft very hard depending on the size of crater the 738 left. Then it's the bugs that are going to kill you, not the snakes!
I dissagree with Cat about the Saudi bit. At least you can go have a beer in a bar in Brazil and nag about the days events. And let's face it, looking at Brazilian girls over burka covered Saudi girls would be way way better. Portuguese is kinda do-able, I still can't count past 5 in Arabic. And none of this "Inshala Bookran" (God willing, tomorrow) stuff!!
In the CNN article, I find it interesting that they could not confirm if a plane had hit the 738. But they say that they did "loose the airplane from Radar". So someone saw something, they just don't want to make a statement just yet...
I'm sure this will turn into something big in Brazil.
Regards.
I've just come back from a over the jungle flight and it would be not fun being a survivor. The Canopy would be very think and would make seeing the aircraft very hard depending on the size of crater the 738 left. Then it's the bugs that are going to kill you, not the snakes!
I dissagree with Cat about the Saudi bit. At least you can go have a beer in a bar in Brazil and nag about the days events. And let's face it, looking at Brazilian girls over burka covered Saudi girls would be way way better. Portuguese is kinda do-able, I still can't count past 5 in Arabic. And none of this "Inshala Bookran" (God willing, tomorrow) stuff!!
In the CNN article, I find it interesting that they could not confirm if a plane had hit the 738. But they say that they did "loose the airplane from Radar". So someone saw something, they just don't want to make a statement just yet...
I'm sure this will turn into something big in Brazil.
Regards.
Gee Cat, you are a real piece of work.
155 people down in the jungle, and even before the crash site has cooled off you are bitching and complaining and mean-mouthing the “bureaucracy”. Exactly like you do about TC.
A real class act.
There might even still be survivors down there because the rescue crews can’t get even rappell in to check. The jungle is too thick. But hey, go ahead and bitch if it makes you feel better.
Me?, I'm just praying to God that some one gets out alive.
You say you have worked in Brazil as a pilot Cat…?
I have been here for 20 years flying DC-10s, MD-11’s 737’s, Falcons and clapped out pieces of single engine shit in the boonies.
What do you know about flying here Cat?
Brazil is bigger than the continental USA, but almost everyone lives along the Atlantic coast. You know how big that makes the boonies?
But even so, since 1995 every cubic centimeter of airspace above 10,000ft in the Amazon is covered by radar. Below 10,000 feet they use 5 AWACs for ATC and drug interdiction.
It is all RVSM airspace.
TCAS II is mandatory on all large Brazilian aircraft, Pax and Cargo.
They are installing ILS’s where ever they can in little shit holes in the jungle because of fog.
They spent US$1.4 Billion in the 90’s to beef up the system.
Their “MOT” has this year been removed from military control to civilian.
And through it all they had to spend God knows how much battling in the courts with the tree huggers from North America because they had to cut down some trees to put in the radar sites.
Granted, there are some VHF holes in the system, but there are some in Canada as well.
So someone screwed up real bad. But they did that in Switzerland too a few years back.
But you go ahead and spout off.
Oh, by the way, the FO is the son of a guy I know. I'll pass along your condolences.
One thing though, while you are thumping your chest, dumping on Tango01 and trying to impress us with your superior knowledge
The name of the capital isn’t
Yep, a real class act.
155 people down in the jungle, and even before the crash site has cooled off you are bitching and complaining and mean-mouthing the “bureaucracy”. Exactly like you do about TC.
A real class act.
There might even still be survivors down there because the rescue crews can’t get even rappell in to check. The jungle is too thick. But hey, go ahead and bitch if it makes you feel better.
Me?, I'm just praying to God that some one gets out alive.
You say you have worked in Brazil as a pilot Cat…?
I have been here for 20 years flying DC-10s, MD-11’s 737’s, Falcons and clapped out pieces of single engine shit in the boonies.
What do you know about flying here Cat?
Brazil is bigger than the continental USA, but almost everyone lives along the Atlantic coast. You know how big that makes the boonies?
But even so, since 1995 every cubic centimeter of airspace above 10,000ft in the Amazon is covered by radar. Below 10,000 feet they use 5 AWACs for ATC and drug interdiction.
It is all RVSM airspace.
TCAS II is mandatory on all large Brazilian aircraft, Pax and Cargo.
They are installing ILS’s where ever they can in little shit holes in the jungle because of fog.
They spent US$1.4 Billion in the 90’s to beef up the system.
Their “MOT” has this year been removed from military control to civilian.
And through it all they had to spend God knows how much battling in the courts with the tree huggers from North America because they had to cut down some trees to put in the radar sites.
Granted, there are some VHF holes in the system, but there are some in Canada as well.
So someone screwed up real bad. But they did that in Switzerland too a few years back.
But you go ahead and spout off.
Oh, by the way, the FO is the son of a guy I know. I'll pass along your condolences.
One thing though, while you are thumping your chest, dumping on Tango01 and trying to impress us with your superior knowledge
, do try and get at least one thing right:Tango, have you done much flying in Brazil?
I made that comment based on having worked as a pilot in Brazil.
The name of the capital isn’t
It is BrasiliaBrizilia
Yep, a real class act.
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TTJJ my comments were aimed at the bureaucracy in Government in Brazil, and not intended to reflect on the safety of flying there.
Of course like everyone else I feel compassion for the people involved in that accident.
I don't know what was wrong with mentioning how vast the rain forest is when it comes to finding an airplane down in it.
Yeh, I misspelled Brasilia.
Anyhow, yeh, I have worked as a pilot in Brazil and flown the coast from north to south and also into Brasilia.
Was based in SBSP and SBSJ and SBRT flying for TAM who was one of our sponsors.
Sorry you took my comments so out of context.
Of course like everyone else I feel compassion for the people involved in that accident.
I don't know what was wrong with mentioning how vast the rain forest is when it comes to finding an airplane down in it.
Yeh, I misspelled Brasilia.
Anyhow, yeh, I have worked as a pilot in Brazil and flown the coast from north to south and also into Brasilia.
Was based in SBSP and SBSJ and SBRT flying for TAM who was one of our sponsors.
Sorry you took my comments so out of context.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
Finished your tirade ttjj??
I think your comments were entirely uncalled for and your interperetation of Cat's comment is off the wall.
Nobody commented they were not concerned about the crew and passengers or on the infrastucture of the airspace in Brasil.
Having flown extensively in Basil, I too can attest to extreme the beaurocracy with flying in your country. No offence intended to the people but that is just the reality of operating there.
You need to take a valium or two and deal with the loss of your friends son before commenting on the dialogue of others. You are obviously commenting with your heart, not your head.
Some might even view you posting your resume as tastless in this thread!
I think your comments were entirely uncalled for and your interperetation of Cat's comment is off the wall.
Nobody commented they were not concerned about the crew and passengers or on the infrastucture of the airspace in Brasil.
Having flown extensively in Basil, I too can attest to extreme the beaurocracy with flying in your country. No offence intended to the people but that is just the reality of operating there.
You need to take a valium or two and deal with the loss of your friends son before commenting on the dialogue of others. You are obviously commenting with your heart, not your head.
Some might even view you posting your resume as tastless in this thread!
http://aerovisionphotos.com/photos/acidenteGOL2.jpg
One picture of the crash site.
Pretty impressive how they managed to locate it.
One picture of the crash site.
Pretty impressive how they managed to locate it.
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http://aerovisionphotos.com/photos/acidenteGOL2.jpg
http://aerovisionphotos.com/photos/acidenteGOL3.jpg
Looks like inflight breakup, no post crash fire, and scatterd debris.
Vert Stab cut off, , perhaps cabin cut open like a zipper... either way looks like they never had a chance.
First hull loss of a 737NG
http://aerovisionphotos.com/photos/acidenteGOL3.jpg
Looks like inflight breakup, no post crash fire, and scatterd debris.
Vert Stab cut off, , perhaps cabin cut open like a zipper... either way looks like they never had a chance.
First hull loss of a 737NG
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heres what i found:
According to a CAB specialist the American Legacy pilot said, during the post-accident debrief, that he'd decided to climb from FL370 to FL390 to gain speed and range, without informing ATC, and that he'd switched off the transponder (for reasons unknown). That would have impeded the 737's TCAS from reacting to the Legacy's presence and delayed ATC's warning that a collision was imminent since, with the transponder off there would be a lag for radar to correctly track the Legacy.
I hope to god this turns out not to be true.
According to a CAB specialist the American Legacy pilot said, during the post-accident debrief, that he'd decided to climb from FL370 to FL390 to gain speed and range, without informing ATC, and that he'd switched off the transponder (for reasons unknown). That would have impeded the 737's TCAS from reacting to the Legacy's presence and delayed ATC's warning that a collision was imminent since, with the transponder off there would be a lag for radar to correctly track the Legacy.
I hope to god this turns out not to be true.
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