Lions, Cougars... and School boys...

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 4:12 pm

SYT_YYZ wrote:hmm... HMMM... That would be a lot to get tired of...
Lemmee seee...

1. a phenomenal dancer
2. dashing good looks
3. a man who always always offers to do the dishes.. then actually does them
4. he makes me tea when I feel bad.. and every day, just because..
5. he thinks I have cute feet
6. when I put on some pounds he buys a pie so I know he doesnt mind
7. He watches silly tv shows like 'ugly betty' with me even though his hockey game is on
8. If I yell, cry, or give him attitude, he hugs me since he knows Im probably feeling insecure over something.
9. He tells me he loves me even when im mean.
10. He loves my mom.... He loves his mom... and he loves the idea of me being a mom
11. He takes me to watch airplanes land at pearson
12. When we go out for dinner he sits beside me, even if he cant see the hockey game ... and he shares his fries with me...
13. He reads airplane books to me when im driving long trips in his car..... He lets me drive his car on long trips.
14. He gets me a beer from the fridge, even after HE had a long day
15. He carries me around the house a lot
16. He laughes when I fart... yep what do you know.. syt farts.. who'd of thought! ...gasp away
17. He lets me pick movies..
18. He built a house for my bunny and always snuggles her too
19. Intead of Pam Anderson, Jenna Jaimeson, or Jessica Alba in bikinis He has a picture of me on his desktop, fully clothed.
20. HE FLIES AIRPLANES

So... thats just the start of my list...

The real question mellow, is If I get tired of Clod, are you sure, of the two of us... I am the one you want? hehehe

I'm not a fan of beer, don't want to be a mom, and would be creeped out it clod had me on his desktop...

I'll take you.

niss · Post by **niss** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 4:22 pm

This thread is crap....the real question is what is it going to take to get her to rape me?

Chantal · Post by **Chantal** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 5:15 pm

Duh! there's a real life case of this in the news right now. Haven't you heard of Mr. Ellison in BC? He's being charged by the girls he abused in high school. Unfortunately they are having problems getting him charged because of the laws back then, which is not fair for these women.
And to make it more disgusting they keep showing this guy walking around with his nose up in the air, it makes me sick!

sky's the limit · Post by **sky's the limit** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 5:17 pm

niss wrote:This thread is crap....the real question is what is it going to take to get her to rape me?

Rape jokes are never funny.

STL

niss · Post by **niss** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 6:02 pm

Not unless your raping a clown....

Im sorry.

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 6:29 pm

Quit while you're behind.

SYT_YYZ · Post by **SYT_YYZ** » Sun Oct 22, 2006 10:10 pm

wow ... that was creepy on every level...

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:11 am

The Ellison thing: What the courts are having a problem with is that Ellison behaved unethically, but not criminally, as the laws in Canada at the time did not recognise his behaviour as criminal. The court is sifting through all the testimony trying to find something criminal so they can nail him.

Unfortunately not the same. If my daughter had been involved, though, I would have to have him killed.

grimey · Post by **grimey** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:30 am

sky's the limit wrote:
niss wrote:This thread is crap....the real question is what is it going to take to get her to rape me?

Rape jokes are never funny.

STL

Depends on the context, and the construction of the joke:

http://www.iceboxman.com/carlin/pael.php#track4

sky's the limit · Post by **sky's the limit** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:40 am

No, actually. It doesn't.

STL

grimey · Post by **grimey** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:58 am

sky's the limit wrote:No, actually. It doesn't.

STL

Why, because you say so? Anything can be joked about, and be funny, in the proper context. There are jokes about murder, racism, and all other sorts of normally offensive matters, all of which can be funny if told in the in the proper context, or by the right person. Why the huge taboo about rape? Many ethnic comedians make disparaging jokes about their race, which arn't seen as racist due to the motivation behind them, and the fact that they're making them essentially about themselves. I wouldn't suggest going to a bar in a black neighbourhood, doing a standup act in a white sheet. There were plenty of jokes relating to OJ murdering Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman, many of which were funny. Telling them to Nicole or Ron's family would be cruel, though, and joking about Nicole and Ron, rather than OJ, would also be. As for rape, is it funny or appropriate to go to a rape crisis center and joke about it, or to joke about the victim? No. Is it ok to joke about the rapist, and how pathetic he is? Why not?

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:49 pm

" Mello-pilot wrote:

" and would be creeped out if clod had me on his desktop..."

Especially without lubricant.

SYT_YYZ · Post by **SYT_YYZ** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 4:18 pm

Grimey..

it is not funny, because, most time you may be telling a rape joke to someone who has been sexually assulted..

In a forum.. for instance.. which is not a tight nit group of friends you know..

Did you know the stats are 1 in 3 women are sexually assulted in their lives... ?? Not to mention the ones who are assulted more than once, (which trust me is not as uncommon as you think.

My point is that you are less likely to know who might be offended by rape jokes, because it is for many women (and men) something that is embarrassing, tough to talk about or admit, and often unshared... (even if it is that close group of friends, )... Do you think your manly buddy would tell you openly that he was sexually assalted as a young boy??.. probably not.. )

So perhaps you find rape jokes funny.. so long as you arnt telling them in a rape crisis center.. but unfortunately, you dont realize that when telling them within earshot of the general public, there is one in three chance you are doing something just as inconsiderate.. Not to mention statistics for men...

niss · Post by **niss** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 4:40 pm

My aplogies to anyone and everyone who may have been offended my my comments. I realiise that humor is subjective, and what is hillarious for some maybe extrordinarily painful for others.

I sincerily hope that anyone who read my joke was able to look past it and if it struck any nerves or hit close to home, I am terribly sorry.

Niss

SYT_YYZ · Post by **SYT_YYZ** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 4:48 pm

niss wrote:My aplogies to anyone and everyone who may have been offended my my comments. I realiise that humor is subjective, and what is hillarious for some maybe extrordinarily painful for others.

I sincerily hope that anyone who read my joke was able to look past it and if it struck any nerves or hit close to home, I am terribly sorry.

Niss

Niss I personally wasnt hurt by your jokes,

why? because when someone points out to you that something you said might be offensive, you dont disagree, you simply appologize because , yes it is subjective...

I am more offended by grimey,

Why? because he cares more about being right about something and disagreeing with STL then seeing STL's point of view..

does that make sense to anyone else?? I dont think I articulated as well as I had hoped to..

niss · Post by **niss** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 4:53 pm

Why? because he cares more about being right about something and disagreeing with STL then seeing STL's point of view..

does that make sense to anyone else?? I dont think I articulated as well as I had hoped to..

I think it has a bit to do with "While I do not agree with your opinion, I will defend to the death your right to say it."

While somepeople take the stance that its just a joke deal with it, and others will back off and attempt to repair the damage.

I dont think there is a right or wrong answer, just like someone cant tell you what is funny its very hard to tell a person what isnt funny either.

Whos right in this? Everyone and no one, do i think my statement was funny? a little. Do I feel right knowing that I may have hurt someone? no....but ill still laugh at my joke....

am I an asshole......depends.....much like humour that is subjective

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 4:59 pm

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" Mello-pilot wrote:

" and would be creeped out if clod had me on his desktop..."

Especially without lubricant.

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That was humour.

grimey · Post by **grimey** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:43 pm

SYT_YYZ wrote: I am more offended by grimey,

Why? because he cares more about being right about something and disagreeing with STL then seeing STL's point of view..

does that make sense to anyone else?? I dont think I articulated as well as I had hoped to..

I do see STL's point of view, I simply disagree with it. I don't go around making jokes to people I think will be offended, but I do think that there is a time and place where virtually anything can be used as a source of humor. Jews, during and after the holocaust, have made jokes about the genocide in order to help deal with it, and lighten their mood. Soviet prisoners in the GULAG system did the same thing. There are other who went through the same sorts of experiences who would be offended by those same jokes, but it doesn't make them any less funny to those who can deal with it. If the deaths of 10s of millions of people can be joked about by those directly affected, I don't see what can't be, in the right time and place, to the right people.

And I know rape victims who've joked about their experiences, in one way or another.

grimey · Post by **grimey** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:51 pm

SYT_YYZ wrote: Did you know the stats are 1 in 3 women are sexually assulted in their lives... ?? Not to mention the ones who are assulted more than once, (which trust me is not as uncommon as you think.)

Having gone though what I have, and knowing the people I know, yea, I'm pretty sure it's as (un)common as I think. I spend 9 weeks as a psych patient when I was 13 surrounded by rape/sexual assault victims. 2 members of my family, and the first woman I ever loved were also raped. Those are the ones I know about, surely more have been and just bottle it up. Do I think that's funny? Hell no. Do I think you can joke about it, in the right time, place, and way? Yea, I do. I wasn't defending niss's joke, only saying that yes, sometimes they are funny, sometimes they do serve a purpose. I don't expect everyone to agree with me, and I don't care if they do. They have the right to their own opinions, as do I.

sky's the limit · Post by **sky's the limit** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:24 pm

Grimey,

Three things:

1) What exatly do you hope to accomplish with a rape joke? Can the laugh you're aiming for not be be achieved using a diff subject matter? Of course it can.

2) Taste. I thought you had more... Things like rape can be funny, yes. But it is ALWAYS in bad taste on many levels, so why bother? Why risk offending someone who has experienced such a thing? Justifying a rape joke because you may have had some contact with it is totally irrelevent, it's not a badge of credibility you wear allowing you to decide where the line is.

3) It has nothing to do with what I think, it's about common decency and respect - if you can't see that, then I can't debate with you.

STL

grimey · Post by **grimey** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 6:43 pm

sky's the limit wrote:What exatly do you hope to accomplish with a rape joke? Can the laugh you're aiming for not be be achieved using a diff subject matter? Of course it can.

Nothing, I don't tell them. Carlin's peice is more about restricting speech for reasons that arn't as good as you think, rather than specifically joking about rape. In any case, the laugh isn't always the whole point. Just as political humor can be funny on it's own, while also educating people about one absurdity or another, black humor can serve as an effective coping mechanism.

Taste. I thought you had more... Things like rape can be funny, yes. But it is ALWAYS in bad taste on many levels, so why bother? Why risk offending someone who has experienced such a thing? Justifying a rape joke because you may have had some contact with it is totally irrelevent, it's not a badge of credibility you wear allowing you to decide where the line is.

I'm not wearing it like a badge, just pointing out that my opinion is due to my experience, not simply being a callous ass. If I don't point that out, people come back at me saying I have no experience in the matter, and that I'm talking out my ass. I do point it out, and, well... As I said, I don't go around making jokes that I think will offend people. I was trying to make a point, that yes, under certain circumstances, just about anything can be funny. I wasn't excusing abusive or intentionally offensive behaviour.

It has nothing to do with what I think, it's about common decency and respect - if you can't see that, then I can't debate with you.

And as I said, I don't go around to people being disrespectful or ignorant of their pain.

Chantal · Post by **Chantal** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:41 pm

When I read the joke I thought you were just a sick perv who can't get a girlfriend and so it might have been a lame attempt to say you like SYT but the way it's going I was probably wrong. And it wasn't cool. Why couldn't you have talked more about what the Doc said?

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:46 pm

Dont drag me into this.

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:05 pm

Cat Driver wrote:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

" Mello-pilot wrote:

" and would be creeped out if clod had me on his desktop..."

Especially without lubricant.

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That was humour.

Cat, the aforementioned not knowing a persons past may apply here.

niss · Post by **niss** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 9:36 pm

When I read the joke I thought you were just a sick perv who can't get a girlfriend and so it might have been a lame attempt to say you like SYT but the way it's going I was probably wrong. And it wasn't cool. Why couldn't you have talked more about what the Doc said?

bluh?