CF-BXR

t34ag · Post by **t34ag** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:24 pm

Would like to know if anyone on this forum ever flew the "goose cf-bxr".
Was sold from LAS to a company in BC in 1973 or there abouts.Is it still flying???

CD · Post by CD » Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:37 pm

Canadian historical register search:

C-FBXR

Serial No 1059
Common Name Grumman
Model G-21A

C-FBXR
Cancel C of R 1988-06-02
Grumman G-21A
Jim Pattison Industries Ltd

C-FBXR
Delete Aircraft 1992-10-08
Grumman G-21A
Trans-Provincial Airlines Ltd

I see that it is now back in the US but may not be operational...

FAA Registry - N39FG

Serial Number 1059
Manufacturer Name GRUMMAN
Model G-21A
Status Undel Tri

uncle · Post by **uncle** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:48 pm

Is BXR the Goose Gene Story bought and ran under the TPA logo in YPR.

I think the Rupert fleet had at one time VAK,NIF, UVJ and of course Ugly Mother Goose UMG. There was one more but memory fails me to the reg.

fogghorn · Post by **fogghorn** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 6:48 pm

uncle wrote:Is BXR the Goose Gene Story bought and ran under the TPA logo in YPR.

I think the Rupert fleet had at one time VAK,NIF, UVJ and of course Ugly Mother Goose UMG. There was one more but memory fails me to the reg.

I think BXR was one of the last geese that TPA operated. If it is the one I am thinking of, it was sunk at Rose Harbour around '93 - someone went for a flight with a hold at a buoy without putting the tip float plugs in..the practice was; maintenance would pull them out after the last flight, and next day the pilot should have put them in. Either that, or it was the Goose that ground looped at YZP, one or the other fates became of it. Not sure if it got resurrected after that or not.

uncle · Post by **uncle** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 8:27 pm

Yes I think that is the machine, it also sunk in Ketchican harbour I believe, the boys at Viking got to know it quite well.

If LAS is Laurentian from ONT. then yes its the same Goose.

The boys in Rupert should know its history and whereabouts.

twotter · Post by **twotter** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 10:50 pm

UAZ used to hang around there years ago if I remember right and there was one that started with an E but I can't remember the reg anymore..

bronson · Post by **bronson** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:54 am

BXR went to a museum, I think in Ketchican. Could have that wrong, maybe it was EFN. Was EFN that got groundlooprd inYZP. My father got his first ride in an airplane in BXR in about 1946 when it belonged to Laurentian. I gave him his last Goose ride in about 86, in BXR when it belonged to Gene.

t34ag · Post by **t34ag** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 11:26 am

Bronson,if I may , a little history of BXR
Was picked up by LAS in 45-46 from the US navy and brought to Canada.First landing in YOW was on rw 21 wheels up,(pilot was trained on water).Spent 30yrs flying out of YOW as the queen of the fleet. Went through many up grades whist there.Was a very useful a/c at the time as it could pick passengers up at the terminal and fly them to their lakes(mostly American) just north of Ottawa.#31 mile lake and Patonga lake were the most frequent. Spent some time up in northern Quebec ,for a summer or two.
In 75(I think) was sold to Air BC /or BC air, with the new three bladed props.Have a picture that (can't think of his name right now) sent me in their color scheme.The pilot that sent me the pic was a NFLD'er out of Buckins Bay,flew TBM's on the NB spray project.
The reason I was asking if BXR was still alive ....was my Father flew it for the 30 years with LAS.
My older brother wrote an artical about him for the CAHS magazine,featuring the "Goose BXR"

twotter · Post by **twotter** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:52 pm

t34, would the pilot you are thinking of be Clayton Hutchings?

bronson · Post by **bronson** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:50 pm

Sounds like Clayton alright. My father got his ride in46 or 47 from Lake Temiscaming, not far from North Bay. I met another pilot ( in Greece) who had flown in BXR many a Saturday as his father was chief pilot for LAS. She just keeps turning up like a bad penny. She was pretty erratic on the water, result of having been sunk so often I guess. Sank in Ketchikan harbour, again in Seal Cove and then again in Rose Harbour. Hard luck machine.

MUSICMAAN · Post by **MUSICMAAN** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:46 pm

Gene said that was the first Goose he bought, and he seem's to think it's privatly owned and in Vancouver

fogghorn · Post by **fogghorn** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:45 pm

I guess ole Gene was in a helluva hurry to get the goose flying on a turn around out of Seal Cove. They were fueling on the ramp, as would be the practice, and Gene hopped in the thing and went roaring into the drink with the fuel hose still attached to the wing tank. Fortunately someone got his attention and he decided maybe a good plan to waddle it back up. No doubt numerous books could be written on all the escapades involving those a/c.

bmc · Post by **bmc** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 8:16 am

There was a Goose that dug a tip float landing on the west coast. It was in serial number 1083. It was with TPA, if I'm not mistaken. Daryl Smith picked it up and the wreck sits in the boneyard at Port Hardy. It was converted back to 985's in the 80's after it cam back from the UK, where it had turbines.

My dad put some hours on that machine when it was RCAF 926 based out of Rockcliffe during the war.

bronson · Post by **bronson** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:01 am

That would be AWH, flew it when it first got converted back to piston and was impressed. I think it actually would have flown on 1 eng. with a full load!

twotter · Post by **twotter** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:18 pm

AWH crashed at RIC in 88. All were lucky enough to come out of it alive. It was a Pacific Coastal airplane at the time as AirBC had just merged the YZT base with Powell Air and renamed the operation Pacific Coastal.

fogghorn · Post by **fogghorn** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:23 pm

twotter wrote:AWH crashed at RIC in 88. All were lucky enough to come out of it alive. It was a Pacific Coastal airplane at the time as AirBC had just merged the YZT base with Powell Air and renamed the operation Pacific Coastal.

Qest que cest RIC?

Driving Rain · Post by **Driving Rain** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 7:54 pm

Anyone know what happened to CF-SES? Rainy Lake Airways, Fort Frances used to own it. It still had the Japanese Defence Force numbers peeking out from under it's paint job.

It got famous once as Air Force "Two" on a flight plan from Fort Frances ON. to Duluth MN. carrying non other than the vise-president of the US. one Walter (Fritz) Mondale.
Tommy Siguardson better know in those parts as "Tommy Goose" (a Kirk Douglas look-a-like) was it's pilot and the man who gave my my float training. One of the greatest guys I've ever meet in this business.

twotter · Post by **twotter** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 8:51 pm

RIC = Rivers Inlet Cannery. Right at the mouth of the Owekeno river at the head of Rivers Inlet.

bronson · Post by **bronson** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:47 am

I was thinking earlier about my first revenue flight in a Goose ( BXR) . We had dropped our pax and were taxiing out, I asked Bj who had come to "chaperone" on my maiden voyage, " so what happens if I forget and set the trim on this the same as a normal Goose" ? BXR had an oddball trimjack and took 5 or 5 1/2 turns back instead of the standard 3. He said " why don't you try it?". As soon as she came up on the step I found myself with both hands on the control column pulling as hard as I could and the nose was still trying to dive in. Finally I got brave enough (or scared enough) to take one hand off the wheel and reach up and haul the throttles back. BXRs response was to launch straight up into the sky. Now I am 100' in the air nothing on the clock but the makers name, so I jam the throttles ahead again and we staggered away. Bj looked at me , perfectly calm, and said " so how did you like it?"

fogghorn · Post by **fogghorn** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:47 pm

twotter wrote:RIC = Rivers Inlet Cannery. Right at the mouth of the Owekeno river at the head of Rivers Inlet.

gotcha

goldeneagle · Post by **goldeneagle** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:43 pm

bronson wrote: Bj looked at me , perfectly calm, and said " so how did you like it?"

Worked didn't it ? Betcha never done that again....

Dog · Post by **Dog** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:55 am

AWH had the extended nose (bow). A possible reason for the odd trim setting. It's still out in the bone yard at YZT.

twotter · Post by **twotter** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:21 am

Dog, old buddy, I think the poster was refering to BXR's trim setting not AWH's.

But you are correct, AWH still had the long nose as well as the one piece windshield from it's days as a turbo goose. The nose made it even more prone to porpoising.

Come to town some day.. We are way overdue for a night at the beav..