Beaver "wet wings"

gapper · Post by **gapper** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:58 pm

Has anyone got any information on the vazar beaver wet wing modification. I also heard (in the beer parlour of course) that Viking was also building beaver wet wings. Has anyone in Canada done this conversion on Turbo-Beavers?

CFMartin · Post by **CFMartin** » Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:33 pm

Maybe you are refering to the Advanced Wing Technology wet wings... 7.5 hours total, leaving only the front tank, and putting all the rest of the fuel into the wings?

The most dangerous airplane I have ever had to fly.

twotter · Post by **twotter** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:22 am

And real nice to dock with those longer wings with the sweep back so you can't really see your tips..

Haven't heard of any other "wet wing" beavers.. You'd have a real hard time doing it with the original wings.. Not that it can't be done with lot's of money..

MUSICMAAN · Post by **MUSICMAAN** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:35 pm

[quote="CFMartin"]Maybe you are refering to the Advanced Wing Technology wet wings... 7.5 hours total, leaving only the front tank, and putting all the rest of the fuel into the wings?

The most dangerous airplane I have ever had to fly.[/quote

Currious.... Why do you say that??

Daart · Post by **Daart** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 7:16 am

I'm curious as well, I thought it was a rather cool Beaver to fly.

MUSICMAAN · Post by **MUSICMAAN** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 11:43 am

[quote="twotter"]And real nice to dock with those longer wings with the sweep back so you can't really see your tips..

No disrespect... But obviously you have never flown an AWT Beaver. The leading edge doesn't sweep back enough to make all that much differince. And why would you need to see your wing tips to know where they are anyway's. They add 2 feet to each wing making the total span 52 feet. If that's hard to dock, then how do you dock a 65 foot wingspan "TWOTTER"

P.S. Sorry for hijackin' the thread.... I have heard of someone making the leading edge of a Beaver wing into fuel tanks. I honestly don't remember who told me about it, or if it was even stc'd..

twotter · Post by **twotter** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:56 pm

Musicman, you obviously have never docked an airplane. How can you compare docking a beaver with a twin otter?? Yes the twin has a longer wingspan, but you have 2 pt6's out there that can go forward and back. much easier than using water rudders. And yes, in some cases I can put a twin otter in places on a dock that you would never get to with a beaver.

I still stand by my comment on the AWT wing.. Certainly was never worth the money.

FOX-UNIFORM · Post by **FOX-UNIFORM** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:20 pm

WELL, I DO ENJOY THIS SITE MOST OF THE TIME... DON'T POST MUCH BUT LIKE TO READ WHAT PEOPLE THINK AND SAY. I DO HOWEVER FEEL THE NEED TO POST THIS TIME AS I THINK I SPEAK FOR MANY. SO THIS IS FOR TWOTTER... OR SHOULD I SAY "TWATTER", SEEMS TO ME THAT YOU ARE THE KING OF KNOWING ABSOLUTLY EVERYTHING ABOUT SWEET @#$! ALL. MAYBE THINK ABOUT LOWERING YOUR NOSE A BIT!!
I AM HOWEVER SURPRISED THAT YOUR HEAD WILL FIT IN A TWIN OTTER.

F-U

twotter · Post by **twotter** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 8:06 pm

Right back atcha...

Rowdy · Post by **Rowdy** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 8:31 pm

I'm with twotter on this one. If you can't see your wing tips there are quite a few docks and spots that you reallllyy would have trouble going into. Ever had to sail backwards? Ever had to swing the tail across a dock due to wind or for other reasons? How about coming onto a dock with big ass concrete or creosoted pilings? You had better damn well know where the wingtips are or you'll be out of a job when you tear those pretty ends off.

The initial question makes me curious.. How many DHC2's have wingtip tanks? Was this a factory option or an aftermarket mod/stc?

Driving Rain · Post by **Driving Rain** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:03 pm

Rowdy wrote:
The initial question makes me curious.. How many DHC2's have wingtip tanks? Was this a factory option or an aftermarket mod/stc?

http://www.kenmoreair.com/parts/aircraf ... ease%20Kit

wasYKnowFJ · Post by **wasYKnowFJ** » Sun Oct 29, 2006 9:15 pm

You had better damn well know where the wingtips are or you'll be out of a job when you tear those pretty ends off.

I've always found the wingtips in close formation, about 24 feet from my shoulder.

Unusual Attitude · Post by **Unusual Attitude** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:41 pm

Back to the original question... I know the tanks you mean Gapper -- or I think I do. I saw them one day when I was poking around Viking -- they use the leading edge of the original Beaver wing and run to about the landing light. I even think I have a picture which I will try and remember to post when I get back home. I don't know if they were ever approved though and I have certainly never seen them installed on a Beaver.

dhc-t2 · Post by **dhc-t2** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:29 pm

The Leading edge wing tank at Viking in not currently approved. It is a nice tank for sure. As previously described runs out to approx. landing light area.
It is a similar nose tank as found in the "Garrett Beaver N754" s/n: 1207

[url]http://www.dhc-2.com/id73.htm[/url]

The tip tanks found on many beavers were a Special Option & have a capicity of 18 US Gallons per side. Yes, a lot of Beavers ended up with tip tanks.

gapper · Post by **gapper** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 9:33 pm

I guess that all beer-parlour talk isn't B.S. A turbo-beaver with6+ hours would make an awsome game tracking platform. Spotters love the turbo with the bubble windows (lots of leg room) but the short duration makes some surveys impossible. Thanks for the info fellas.

MUSICMAAN · Post by **MUSICMAAN** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 2:36 pm

Thought I saw this somewhere... The only other Garrett powered Beaver and a lot better looking than Pinochio up in Alaska... Anyway's, obviously this one has "wet Wings"

http://www.dhc-2.com/VH-AAX_1411_John%2 ... el_565.jpg

CLguy · Post by **CLguy** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:10 pm

Music Man and F-U, what happens when there is no dock and only a tree covered shoreline to pull up along side? If you two geniuses think you can actually operate a float plane safely and effectively without needing to see your wingtips then you obviously have never actually flown in the bush.

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:11 pm

Neat-looking Beav. Anyone know what that contraption below the side door is?

I'm still waiting for someone to explain why the wet-wing Beav was so dangerous?

gapper · Post by **gapper** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:40 pm

Just a hunch, but it may be some sort of sling seat. I hope someone with any history on AAX might contribute. Does Wipline do anything with the wings on the Boss-Beaver?

twotter · Post by **twotter** » Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:09 am

CLguy wrote:Music Man and F-U, what happens when there is no dock and only a tree covered shoreline to pull up along side? If you two geniuses think you can actually operate a float plane safely and effectively without needing to see your wingtips then you obviously have never actually flown in the bush.

Well said CLguy, you can also think of some of the lovely docks out here on the coast with pilings, fishboats, sailboats, tugs, other airplanes, etc all trying to grab that wingtip.. Good depth perception is what saves your a$$ there and if you can't see it, you can't judge.

MUSICMAAN · Post by **MUSICMAAN** » Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:34 pm

xsbank, VH-AAX is used as a jump ship and has been since they converted it to turbine. The odd looking contraption on the side is a step for the skydivers to ready themselves for a formation jump. You see them more on Porters but they are much smaller

Twotter and CLguy- you guy's are completly missing the point.

You're right, I've never docked a float plane, or flown in the bush, or flown a plane at all... come to think of it, I might not even be a pilot. But I have do have a couple hundred hours on Flight Simulator!... but really. it doesn't matter...

Twotter was implying that the AWT Beaver,with it's longer wings is hard to dock because you "can't see the wing tips". Well, it's not any harder to dock than a straight wing Beaver. Not being able to see the tips is absolutley irelevent. You can still look out the window and see the wing's, and where the tip's aught to be, two feet farther out than a standard wing, so you adjust yourself accordingly.
The same principals are applied when someone parallel parks a car. Now a good driver can do this without running up on the curb or worse, curbing the precious wheels on the Jetta you drive to work every day. How we do this is simple, we know where the wheels are with out accutally "seeing them" So back to the Beaver. Knowing the wing tips are a little bit longer doesn't make it any harder to dock. A good pilot know's exactly where the wing tips are, regardless of what the wingspan is, and will adjust his or her approach so as to not ding em'.

So for the record, the AWT equipped Beaver is not hard to dock.

twotter · Post by **twotter** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 1:36 am

MUSICMAN..

I'm not trying to get into a pissing match with you, but when you can look down that straight leading edge and use your depth perception to judge just how far you are from that piling, it helps. The extra 2' will also make it harder to get into tight spots, you can't argue that one.. It's tight on some docks and you have to squeeze into spots where you just don't have the extra room. Try putting a beaver into the boat spots on the dock at Snug Cove because there is a Twin Otter already on the airplane spot.. It's freaking tight.

CLguy · Post by **CLguy** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:30 pm

MUSICMAN, after reading your last post, I'm not going to insult my intelligence by bothering to comment other than to say, you're way out of your league son trying to even be part of this thread. Best just go back to your Flight Simulator and gain a whole bunch more bush time!!

Human Factor · Post by **Human Factor** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:59 pm

dhc-t2 wrote:The Leading edge wing tank at Viking in not currently approved. It is a nice tank for sure. As previously described runs out to approx. landing light area.
It is a similar nose tank as found in the "Garrett Beaver N754" s/n: 1207

http://www.dhc-2.com/id73.htm

The tip tanks found on many beavers were a Special Option & have a capicity of 18 US Gallons per side. Yes, a lot of Beavers ended up with tip tanks.

I believe that the Viking L/E tank mod 'test wing' snapped during its bend test IIRC. dhc-t2, I'm guessing you work there, is this the case and has there been any engineering work on it since the failed test?

CaptainHaddock · Post by **CaptainHaddock** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:28 pm

Pasco leased the Advanced Wet Wing beaver on straight floats the season I was there-I didn't fly it though. The fellows that did didn't really think much of it though. They found it very top heavy in Taxi on the water and not much of any great improvement on the old beaver wing for performance. I suppose the fact that there is only the one I believe speaks for itself. It did have the nose extension though which is a good mod.
I also agree it's quite handy to see your wingtip when docking or leaving the dock,especially a full dock with a strong current on the river (YVR) or trying to fit between some dock piles on any one of the numerous docks on the coast.
Out of curiousity,where is the advanced wing beave these days (I've forgotten it's call sign)

Cheers CaptainHaddock

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