Canjet

hind sight · Post by **hind sight** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:55 am

Even after meeting with Alpa and agreeing to call backs in senority?
I really can't believe Alpa will take this .
Without nameing and you know who you are! You should be ashamed of your selves for considering to do that to your fellow pilots. Good luck getting work when this one fails!

rickenbacker · Post by **rickenbacker** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:26 am

I believe the people called back out of seniority are only going in to do office work. Finish projects they were working on before the "big change". I think they have to go through all the manuals with whiteout and change the Canjet2 to Canjet 2.5. I don't believe they will be flying. The question is wheather or not they'll be jumping ahead on the list or not.

55+ · Post by **55+** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:49 am

flyin' fish wrote:well first of all, let's remember there was no sudden shutdown, per sey. It was planned and nobody got stranded. So there's no worries there, since uncle Kenny has become an expert on closing airlines down.
Second, you book with a tour operator, not the airline. If you notice on the package that CanJet is taking you down and decide to switch, you're probably going to end up switching the package to another tour operator. If the planes start parking, the parent company will come to the rescue, like they've done before.

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To avoid all of the above, I will simply call my trusty Travel company book what I want through Air Canada, tell them(agent) to arrange it, and here is the VISA. Quite simple actually!

flyin' fish · Post by **flyin' fish** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:52 am

there was at least one conflict on that list when the shutdown occured. One guy laid off was ahead of the training manager (we know the names, so let's leave it at that) but that manager kept his job from all this. Just one isolated case from what I've heard. It'll be more evident when they go further down the list.

marquisman · Post by **marquisman** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:21 pm

ANYONE KNOW WHAT NUMBER THEY HAVE GOTTEN DOWN TO FOR THE CALL BACKS.

FlySmrt · Post by **FlySmrt** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:46 pm

ANYONE KNOW WHAT NUMBER THEY HAVE GOTTEN DOWN TO FOR THE CALL BACKS.

Somewhere in the mid to high 20's

rickenbacker · Post by **rickenbacker** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 7:31 pm

I heard the number of pilots required right now is 50. That's including the DFO. I've been trying to keep track of who's leaving and who's staying. To get to the magic number of 50, they're going to have to go down the list to about 70. That's only leaving about 25 left to replace the ones who bail in the next few months.

FlySmrt · Post by **FlySmrt** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 5:16 am

When I wrote mid to high 20's, I meant that on the "senority list" that's where they are at calling people back.

green bastard · Post by **green bastard** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:34 am

They are calling back by the seniority list with one exception. ALPA's
democratically elected mec chair, now the custodian to council 235
(that's Canjet). He will not be called back. There can be no doubt of union busting. Where are those laws to protect anti union activity. Its time to act. Mr. Brent Jang (Globe& Mail) I hope you investigate and write about this story.

flynbutcher · Post by **flynbutcher** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 1:44 pm

gonna get ugly!

EastCoaster · Post by **EastCoaster** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:02 pm

Who is the one that they've skipped... I'm not famaliar with the list or who has gone back to work... As for me, new horizons...

po'dcjer · Post by **po'dcjer** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 7:27 am

Eastcoaster, I'm disappointed, your usually right on the money, but you don't need to lie to us, that you didn't know who they skipped, see GB's post on the 3rd ....this is just another typical canjet bonehead move...pathetic...(not you eastcoaster, I meant the company)...this is not over, not by a long shot....

uwillpay · Post by **uwillpay** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:14 am

What is described re: the APLA custodian is correct.

Here's another nasty one. One pilot who was recalled was upfront, honest, and declined the recall invite in light of a pending WJ course date. So now they are reneging completely on his salary continuance, and refusing to pay out the remainder at the agreed-upon percentage. In spite of the fact this severance agreement is spelled out in black and white, and his new employment certainly meets the exact requirement to qualify of being "similar employment".

So. To recap. This pilot now has no income until the new job...moving across the country with family, depending on what was taken in good faith to be the company's offer of assistance with either continuance or payout. And has gotten royally, royally screwed. For being honest. Sorry boys, that's business I guess.

This is quite possibly one of the most despicable companies in an industry rife with them. It certainly has brought up more than few people short at the sheer mean-spirited, breathtakingly heavy-handed actions of management.

My advice to ANYONE being recalled - if you have a new job lined up, DO NOT breathe a word of it to a soul. Take the Canjet training, take the few weeks of work, and then leave in the night for the new job. They have demonstrated what they will do if you attempt to take the high road.

PLEASE aviation sector press! Get involved, get this story out - it's unbelievable! The public - not to mention IMP contractors - would probably find it riveting to know the tactics that have been employed here.

ALPA better be rolling out the biggest cannons they have onto the deck. This affects not just CanJet, not just aviation employees, but has implications for much of labour relations in Canada.

rickenbacker · Post by **rickenbacker** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:42 am

One thing about ALPA is that they are a very professional operation. They are not going to come out with guns blazing. They'll have had a meeting or two, talk with their lawyers and come up with a war plan.
I'm sure over the next couple of months as pilots are trained and the calls come in with job offers they will take them and just simply not show up for work.
The feeling out there towards CJ is borderline hatred. I really can't understand how CJ thinks they can provide a service with employees that totally loath the company they work for. Come work for us or else!!!!
Maybe that's their new slogan to replace "fly smart".

green bastard · Post by **green bastard** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 4:02 pm

If you stop and listen real hard you can hear the faint beat of the
war drums. They will be coming slowly but surely.

rickenbacker · Post by **rickenbacker** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:04 pm

This just makes no sense to me what so ever. It seems hard enough to try and run an airline in Canada when you have your employees working along with you, let alone when you have them fighting you. Maybe that's what happened. Management has got together...they've stayed up and had long nights, put their heads together, burned the midnight oil. Writing business plan after business plan. They've looked at the failures of Air Atlantic, Canjet1, and Canjet2. They've come to realize that in all three cases...the employees have worked along with management, bought into the dream of an east coast airline. They put their hearts and soul into it. We're proud to wear the Canjet uniform. Then they thought...maybe that's what's wrong.
So they thought what they'll do now is treat the employees so bad that they'll hate us, they'll despise us. What ever shred of respect and loyalty that the poor downtrodden employee has left we'll destroy. Then we'll make them come back to work. We'll force them. If they don't, well they won't have any UI benefits. It can't fail...I tell you it's foolproof.
Boy...I'm on board.

flyin' fish · Post by **flyin' fish** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 5:29 pm

like I said, it's going to be fun watching KR parking airplanes this winter. I was wondering though, if you accept the rehire terms without some sort of OK from ALPA, is that a form of "scabing"?

SPOT · Post by **SPOT** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 6:15 pm

hind sight wrote:Just passing on something I heard.
I can't believe it actually since CanJet agreed with Alpa but I heard Kenny's boys are calling back OUT of senority.
Amazing what a @&#$ opperation they have there. Simply amazing.
If it is infact true.

I hope they are calling back out of senority so you losers dont get called back!

po'dcjer · Post by **po'dcjer** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:24 am

SPOT wrote:I hope they are calling back out of senority so you losers dont get called back!

Listen moron, you have no idea what you are talking about. Every line pilot at canjet I had the pleasure of flying with was absolutely outstanding, and for you to come on and call them losers, I take personally...you have no idea what was offered to these people...how pathetic we were treated before and to offer what they are offering now, because if you did you would be says "bravo and well said". This hiring out of seniority (after they agreed they would) is just another typical bonehead canjet move....I wish everyone would find jobs elsewhere, and that no one would have to go back...but I know this will not be the case....and for those of us who do go back...I hope we won't be there long.

rotate · Post by **rotate** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:39 am

A word of warning...if you have another job lined up with a start date and get a call back from CJ...tell CJ you'll take the job or they will cut off your severence right away.

55+ · Post by **55+** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:57 pm

I hope they are calling back out of senority so you losers dont get called back![/quote].
Bad form, bud! The CJ guys/gals are just trying to earn a living to support themselves like the rest of us. If what I read in these posts is true, well they (CJ pilots) are really getting squeezed and taken advantage of…..

eastdude · Post by **eastdude** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 2:28 am

Spot, You might sat they are losers, but to the people at Canjet that tried to make the job as a professional pilot in Canada a better job, I give kudos too.
Canjet pilots were overworked, under payed, had barely any benifits (ie, no dental) yet strived to provide a great service.
Now to see people hired back out of seniorty ( although they promised to hire back in seniorty), back to 1st year vacation, 1st year RRSP's, no overtime, 48 hours to decide to uplift their lives to return to a company offering no more than 6 months work, just sucks in my opinion.

Yet another low in aviation in Canada. To uncle Kenny, Z and their cronies I say shame on you.
To the former CJPA and ALPA team I say good on you, thank you for trying to bring this profession to a higher level. Your efforts are noticed amoung your peers.

SPOT wrote:
hind sight wrote:Just passing on something I heard.
I can't believe it actually since CanJet agreed with Alpa but I heard Kenny's boys are calling back OUT of senority.
Amazing what a @&#$ opperation they have there. Simply amazing.
If it is infact true.
I hope they are calling back out of senority so you losers dont get called back!

FlySmrt · Post by **FlySmrt** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 5:26 pm

For those of you starting back at CJ on tuesday, all the best.

Stick-Shaker · Post by **Stick-Shaker** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:33 am

SPOT wrote: "I hope they are calling back out of senority so you losers dont get called back!"

Somebody punch that idiot in the nose!

wrc · Post by **wrc** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:20 pm

I know and feel bad for the soon to be WestJetter that Uncle Kenny has bent him over for one last good one. It'll make the first year here even a bit tougher but in time it will be just a nasty memory. To those coming out, welcome. I trust you'll see a big difference between Uncle K and gang vs Sean, Clive and gang here.