A blow to the right
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Glen Quagmire
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A blow to the right
It's official, George Bush's Presidency is a complete failure. Looks like the neo con agenda down south is coming to an end. Dems take the house and looks like the senate as well, ending the Republican revolution.
Wow...who knew
Now include Harper's Income Trust broken promise ( a large promise) seems like no matter where they come from the country..east or west..they are all fecking crooks and liars politicians are.
Now...can we agree and stop the domestic cultural devide and all get along as common Canadians and steer the country as we see fit in the democratic society?
Now include Harper's Income Trust broken promise ( a large promise) seems like no matter where they come from the country..east or west..they are all fecking crooks and liars politicians are.
Now...can we agree and stop the domestic cultural devide and all get along as common Canadians and steer the country as we see fit in the democratic society?
What many don't realize is that policey wise, the Democrats are pretty much as right of centre as our Conservatives. The Liberals would be considered that joke of a left wing party and the NDP just plain communists. The Bloc, well, they'd be one of those seperatist armies' polical wing that you see in the south.
Glen, I don't think the neo-con agenda is dead by any means. The democrats may now control the house, but the Dems in charge are just as fascist, war-mongering, and beholden to their corporate masters as their Republican predecessors. Hilary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi are 2 that fit this bill. Neither have any plans for a withdrawal from Iraq, and Pelosi (the new house speaker) has given the Decider a get-out-of-jail-free card with her no-impeachment guarantee. Add that Joe "whatever AIPAC tells me to do" Lieberman wins Connecticut and will sit in the Democratic caucus, and you can see that not much has changed at all. The status quo has been maintained with the same policies, albeit with slightly different nuances.
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Dust Devil
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exactlyteacher wrote:What many don't realize is that policey wise, the Democrats are pretty much as right of centre as our Conservatives. The Liberals would be considered that joke of a left wing party and the NDP just plain communists. The Bloc, well, they'd be one of those seperatist armies' polical wing that you see in the south.
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TerrainTerrain
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Impeachment Pie anyone?
Just give it time. The dems will conduct investigations about this and that. And in a few years a whole range of new scandals will surround a fresh democratic president. Ah the cycle of life. Beautiful, ain't it?
As far as Canadians are concerned, I question how much focus on trade and relations the dems would give us. I guess time will tell.
Just give it time. The dems will conduct investigations about this and that. And in a few years a whole range of new scandals will surround a fresh democratic president. Ah the cycle of life. Beautiful, ain't it?
As far as Canadians are concerned, I question how much focus on trade and relations the dems would give us. I guess time will tell.
Apparently part of the problem with the US closing it's borders to Canadian beef for so long had more to do with Democrat Congressmen from states heavy into ranching using the opportunity to cut us out of the market. Can't remember which news source that came from though. I don't think the Democrats controlling Congress will automatically make trade relations any better.TerrainTerrain wrote:As far as Canadians are concerned, I question how much focus on trade and relations the dems would give us. I guess time will tell.
One down. Now to see if they can get rid of Cheney next...Rumsfeld fucked off....
Rummy got himself a get out of jail free as well, he will sit out his days on the board of some defence contractor and fatten his wallet some more.bartbandy wrote: The democrats may now control the house, but the Dems in charge are just as fascist, war-mongering, and beholden to their corporate masters as their Republican predecessors. Hilary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi are 2 that fit this bill. Neither have any plans for a withdrawal from Iraq, and Pelosi (the new house speaker) has given the Decider a get-out-of-jail-free card with her no-impeachment guarantee. Add that Joe "whatever AIPAC tells me to do" Lieberman wins Connecticut and will sit in the Democratic caucus, and you can see that not much has changed at all. The status quo has been maintained with the same policies, albeit with slightly different nuances.
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TerrainTerrain
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Agreed.I don't think the Democrats controlling Congress will automatically make trade relations any better.
I think the unspeakably worst combination for Canada would be a D House/Senate coupled with an NDP Prime Minister.
If we end up taking more shit from the US its time to put them in their place early.
Or invade Montana.
WTF? Freedom and democracy?
Seriously...you America hating bastards weren't too keen last week.
Seriously...you America hating bastards weren't too keen last week.
"FLY THE AIRPLANE"!
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nothing would make you happy would itswede wrote:Rummy got himself a get out of jail free as well, he will sit out his days on the board of some defence contractor and fatten his wallet some more.bartbandy wrote: The democrats may now control the house, but the Dems in charge are just as fascist, war-mongering, and beholden to their corporate masters as their Republican predecessors. Hilary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi are 2 that fit this bill. Neither have any plans for a withdrawal from Iraq, and Pelosi (the new house speaker) has given the Decider a get-out-of-jail-free card with her no-impeachment guarantee. Add that Joe "whatever AIPAC tells me to do" Lieberman wins Connecticut and will sit in the Democratic caucus, and you can see that not much has changed at all. The status quo has been maintained with the same policies, albeit with slightly different nuances.
Even the poster boy of what many Canadians consider a good American leader to Canada says we must stay the course in Afghanistan and to stop making parallels between Iraq and Afghanistan as they are totally different. What do you say to that Jack?
Clinton weighs in on Afghanistan, U.S. elections
Ex-president also says mid-terms show rejection of 'hard-headed ideological' politics
Last Updated: Thursday, November 9, 2006 | 10:27 AM ET
CBC News
Former U.S. president Bill Clinton has urged Canadians to continue the Afghan mission, calling it a chance to help a "genuine Muslim moderate democracy prevail" that should be distinguished from the Iraq war.
Clinton also offered his take on the mid-term elections south of the border during two Canadian fundraisers on Wednesday.
Bill Clinton spoke at fundraisers in Kitchener and Ottawa on Wednesday.
(CBC) At his first event of the day, a $500-per-plate fundraiser for the Catholic Family Counselling Centre in Kitchener, Ont., Clinton urged the country to keep its soldiers in Afghanistan.
"I ask Canadians to disassociate whatever you think about Iraq and the mistakes made there from the security interests we all have in seeing a genuine Muslim moderate democracy prevail in Afghanistan," said Clinton.
"We may not be able to save it, but if we can, we should because we will all be at great risk if al-Qaeda can roam freely."
More than 2,000 Canadian troops are serving in Afghanistan's volatile southern Kandahar region. Forty-two soldiers and one diplomat have died since the mission started more than four years ago.
U.S. should beef up Afghan deployment, Clinton says
Clinton said the United States should send 8,000 more soldiers to the country to support the NATO-led mission. There are already about 18,000 American soldiers in Afghanistan, sent during the U.S.-led invasion following the Sept. 11 attacks.
"If we lose in Afghanistan and the Taliban come back, it will not only be a nightmare for the Afghan people, but it will create greater options of movement for the al-Qaeda leadership, and increase the likelihood that they will be able to mount and conduct more global terrorist operations."
Clinton, a Democrat, also took a swipe at his Republican successor, criticizing the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush and calling its 2003 invasion of Iraq a "serious mistake."
Americans turfed 'hard-headed ideological' politics
At a fundraiser for the Jewish National Fund of Ottawa later in the day, Clinton spoke about the Democratic gains during Tuesday's mid-term elections in the U.S.
The former president said he was glued to the television until the early morning as the results rolled in, giving the Democrats control of the House and the Senate for the first time in more than a decade.
Americans soundly rejected "hard-headed ideological" politics, said Clinton.
He repeated his criticism of the war in Iraq, citing its now debunked claims that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.
He also criticized U.S. President George W. Bush's handling of tensions with North Korea, saying by "branding someone evil, you can hardly invite them over for a drink."
Former prime minister Jean Chrétien and Green Party Leader Elizabeth May attended the fundraiser.
Clinton's appearance at the Kitchener fundraiser stirred controversy when it was first announced in the summer.
A southern Ontario bishop urged Catholics to boycott the event, saying Clinton's support for abortion, his marital infidelity and his promotion of condom use to prevent the spread of AIDS go against Catholic Church doctrine.
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/11/0 ... ction.html
Clinton weighs in on Afghanistan, U.S. elections
Ex-president also says mid-terms show rejection of 'hard-headed ideological' politics
Last Updated: Thursday, November 9, 2006 | 10:27 AM ET
CBC News
Former U.S. president Bill Clinton has urged Canadians to continue the Afghan mission, calling it a chance to help a "genuine Muslim moderate democracy prevail" that should be distinguished from the Iraq war.
Clinton also offered his take on the mid-term elections south of the border during two Canadian fundraisers on Wednesday.
Bill Clinton spoke at fundraisers in Kitchener and Ottawa on Wednesday.
(CBC) At his first event of the day, a $500-per-plate fundraiser for the Catholic Family Counselling Centre in Kitchener, Ont., Clinton urged the country to keep its soldiers in Afghanistan.
"I ask Canadians to disassociate whatever you think about Iraq and the mistakes made there from the security interests we all have in seeing a genuine Muslim moderate democracy prevail in Afghanistan," said Clinton.
"We may not be able to save it, but if we can, we should because we will all be at great risk if al-Qaeda can roam freely."
More than 2,000 Canadian troops are serving in Afghanistan's volatile southern Kandahar region. Forty-two soldiers and one diplomat have died since the mission started more than four years ago.
U.S. should beef up Afghan deployment, Clinton says
Clinton said the United States should send 8,000 more soldiers to the country to support the NATO-led mission. There are already about 18,000 American soldiers in Afghanistan, sent during the U.S.-led invasion following the Sept. 11 attacks.
"If we lose in Afghanistan and the Taliban come back, it will not only be a nightmare for the Afghan people, but it will create greater options of movement for the al-Qaeda leadership, and increase the likelihood that they will be able to mount and conduct more global terrorist operations."
Clinton, a Democrat, also took a swipe at his Republican successor, criticizing the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush and calling its 2003 invasion of Iraq a "serious mistake."
Americans turfed 'hard-headed ideological' politics
At a fundraiser for the Jewish National Fund of Ottawa later in the day, Clinton spoke about the Democratic gains during Tuesday's mid-term elections in the U.S.
The former president said he was glued to the television until the early morning as the results rolled in, giving the Democrats control of the House and the Senate for the first time in more than a decade.
Americans soundly rejected "hard-headed ideological" politics, said Clinton.
He repeated his criticism of the war in Iraq, citing its now debunked claims that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.
He also criticized U.S. President George W. Bush's handling of tensions with North Korea, saying by "branding someone evil, you can hardly invite them over for a drink."
Former prime minister Jean Chrétien and Green Party Leader Elizabeth May attended the fundraiser.
Clinton's appearance at the Kitchener fundraiser stirred controversy when it was first announced in the summer.
A southern Ontario bishop urged Catholics to boycott the event, saying Clinton's support for abortion, his marital infidelity and his promotion of condom use to prevent the spread of AIDS go against Catholic Church doctrine.
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/11/0 ... ction.html
Oh, well If Bill says so it must be true. That man is incapable of telling a lie!Teacher wrote:Even the poster boy of what many Canadians consider a good American leader to Canada says we must stay the course in Afghanistan and to stop making parallels between Iraq and Afghanistan as they are totally different. What do you say to that Jack?
And using the same "Stay The Course" bullshit rhetoric as Bush? What's next, Steve Harper telling us we shouldn't "Cut and Run"?
What I meant by the post was that this "tidal wave of change to the left" that certain groups are calling this is not what it may seem. I've heard old Jack warning that what's going on down south should worry Harper because of his Afghan policies. People might not support Iraq, but they're not so quick to dismiss a UN backed NATO led mission.
