Northern Dene Air.

ahramin · Post by **ahramin** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 10:06 pm

Continuing with this hypothetical situation. Yes, i can see how this sort of thing could cause problems. The problem i can imagine is that someone is not comfortable flying with someone they had a short term relashionship. A dates XY and Z. XY and Z are uncomfortable flying with A because of what happened. A is not uncomfortable. So you fire A?

If XY and Z were going to be a safety problem because they are no longer comfortable flying with A (who has no issues and can continue to act professionally on company time) who's problem is it? If they were going to have a problem with this, why did they date A in the first place?

Do you understand what i am getting at? You blame the person whose morals do not fit your own rather than the person who made a choice that had consequences they could not deal with.

Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 10:08 am

You may also have problems with X, Y, and Z not getting along, in fact, that is likely the biggest problem. In any case, X, Y, and Z have each become involved in one personal relationship with a co-worker that has resulted in problems in the workplace. "A", on the other hand, has engaged in three problem causing relationships. "A" is involved in every problem personal relationship. If I replace X, Y, and Z and keep A, what have I accomplished except to provide A with a fresh supply of sausages who don't know what she is all about?

"A" is the common link, cause of the problems, and is the one to be fired. X, Y, and Z would all be recipients of letters of expectation or reprimand.

ahramin · Post by **ahramin** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 11:10 am

I see we are not going to agree on this one

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If X,Y, and Z do not want to fly with A because his skin is the wrong colour, but do not mind flying with each other because they are all the same colour, i suppose you get rid of A? After all he "is involved in every problem personal relationship." And if you replace X, Y, and Z and keep A, that does not accomplish anything as you still have someone flying for you who is the "common link, cause of the problems".

Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 10:30 pm

Skin colour is not behavioural. Racism by X,Y,Z would be unacceptable behaviour, as was A's choice to screw a series of co-workers.

Disco Stu · Post by **Disco Stu** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 10:56 am

If anyone knows this girl, if she is looking for work, please forward my phone number to her.

supersnail · Post by **supersnail** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 11:01 am

This thread is disgusting.

hz2p · Post by **hz2p** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 11:08 am

If anyone know's this girl's phone number, please PM me! She sounds like my kind of girl - a certain moral flexibility

ahramin · Post by **ahramin** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 11:20 am

Wilbur:

So you do think that A should be replaced because their values are different than yours.

jihaad · Post by **jihaad** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 3:43 pm

H · Post by H » Tue Jul 20, 2004 4:08 pm

...'I' should be canned! Just who does he think he is anyway? He's actually jealous because 'A' is pregnant with my child... . Fire me and I'll sue you for upper case discrimination...

Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 4:25 pm

This thread is not disgusting; but it might be talking about something indecent.

If they were long enough, thick enough and in far enough, they were in decent!

geldoff · Post by **geldoff** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 5:11 pm

two things

1. Flyingthebug, SAHTTUP, you're anoying. Pull your head out of Websters @ss once in a while and have a look around. You defend everything they do! Talk about credibility!!

2. As a manager you can not judge an employee by their off work behavior. I don't care how you try to justify it. If they could not do their job for any reason, can em. Off hours your staff are not your responsibility, nor your concern.

scabber · Post by **scabber** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 7:14 pm

Once again, northern Dene does not fail to impress.

I witnessed a dene chieftan take off in the following conditions today:

3/4sm r08/1800v6000/d +TSRA OVC 015CB RMK CB8 LTGICCCCG

Seriously, how can anyone think that a company whos pilots make decisions like that... is anything but a piece of crap.

flyinthebug · Post by **flyinthebug** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 7:17 pm

Geldoff.. You obviously read only the parts of my posts that suit you. I cannot say if you are "annoying" or not, not based on 3 posts anyways. I can however form the opinion that you are looking for some sort of a reaction.
I do NOT condone the improper actions of ANY company, be it ND or anyone else for that matter. (thats credibility) My head is hardly "up anyones a$$", if you knew anything about me, you`d understand. Your hardly worth the explanation. I simply defended a gentleman that I consider a decent man, and neighbour, who I felt was being unjustly accused of being "unfair and ruthless" in his employment practices. Have you ever defended a friend? Even if he did a few things you didnt always agree with? My neighbours character was in question, and I simply stated my "opinion" of the person in question. If that equates to my head up his a$$, well, that would be your interpretation. I did not defend the company. Sorry, im too busy to "defend" any company but the one I work for.
You have a nice day too Geldoff.
Fly safe all, Cheers

flyinthebug · Post by **flyinthebug** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 5:34 am

*Edited because some things in life just arent worth it*

Fly safe all, Cheers

Sulako · Post by **Sulako** » Wed Jul 21, 2004 11:26 am

NDA gave me my first job, and for that I am grateful. They also routinely blew Air Regs, placed no value on my life, and paid me $1000/month plus a smidgeon of mileage. I was there for 18 months; we had 4 accidents in that time, one of them killing my friend Daryl Larsen. Ask management about the fuel selector in VLH for some background on that one.

Beware the management, they will place your life at risk if you let them. It's all about judgement, and I did learn a lot of stuff while flying for them, mostly after-the-fact. Like "Jesus, I'm never doing that again."

I remember what we called it when the plane was so full of cargo that the aisles were blocked, the tires were groaning, and the takeoff roll was about 5,000 feet. We called it a "Webster load".

I don't know the current Ops Manager ( I think I was Ops Manager when I was there to be honest) , but I do know the W brothers. One was decent, but the one who managed to hit a freakin' truck while flying to YBE is a waste of oxygen.

As for whomever the lady was and whatever she did; it deeply offends me that a company would be so arrogant as to tell people what to do on their time free from flying. It's bad enough that your employer basically owns you during your days on without worrying about doing stuff on your own time that might offend them.

Can you imagine the aviation scene in Canada if every pilot who slept around got the boot for doing so?

p.s. as a side note to this story, when I worked for NDA I went for the full northern experience - I mean, you do what you gotta do, right. It being a small town, it was about 2 weeks before the boss mentioned my 'friendliness' towards some of the local ladies, but it certainly wasn't in a bad way and he didn't ask me to stop or anything. Then again, I'm a guy and maybe we have different rules then women? I dunno.