Tail Wheel Trainig around YVR

wallypilot · Post by **wallypilot** » Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:39 pm

I'm looking for a tail wheel check out + a few hours for proficiency. C185 would be preferable. Anybody know an operator around YVR that offers such training? Beech18 would be even better.

I know PRO IFR has a citabria, and that's my standby choice if i can't find a C185 or B18.

thanks in advance
WP

Lever · Post by **Lever** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:38 pm

Bob Gilmour in Pitt Meadows is the way to go. Old guy that can fly the shit out of that plane.

Also does aerobatic instruction all on a Decathalon.

Lever · Post by **Lever** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:39 pm

Bob Gilmour in Pitt Meadows is the way to go. Old guy that can fly the shit out of that plane.

Also does aerobatic instruction all on a Decathalon.

. . · Post by **. .** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:00 pm

Nice double post lever: You suck at the internet.

canpilot · Post by **canpilot** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:24 pm

Wallypilot,

I had posted a similar request a while back and did not find anything local. If you don't mind, can you keep me posted on your search as well as how you found the training? (assuming you find a spot in the Lower Mainland)

Thanks in advance,

canpilot.

Dash-Ate · Post by **Dash-Ate** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:49 pm

http://www.chuckellsworth.com/

Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:59 pm

very funny .... I really doubt there is a single person here who isn't aware that Transport Canada has expended a disproportionate amount of effort over an amazing number of years to make sure that . (aka Cat Driver) isn't able to instruct in Canada any more.

canpilot · Post by **canpilot** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:28 am

Lever,

Would you know the school "Bob Gilmour"is associated with? Or his company info.?

Thanks again!

Cp.

twotter · Post by **twotter** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:44 am

Lever wrote:Bob Gilmour in Pitt Meadows is the way to go. Old guy that can fly the shit out of that plane.

Also does aerobatic instruction all on a Decathalon.

Bob's still at it?? Holy crap, good for him, he's got to be over 80 now.. I did some dual with him in a canuck about 30 years ago..

twotter · Post by **twotter** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:48 am

wallypilot wrote:I'm looking for a tail wheel check out + a few hours for proficiency. C185 would be preferable. Anybody know an operator around YVR that offers such training? Beech18 would be even better.

I know PRO IFR has a citabria, and that's my standby choice if i can't find a C185 or B18.

thanks in advance
WP

Wally, don't think there's anyone with one of those airplanes out here, especially the 18. Talk to Cat driver, he's got a great little 150 aerobat taildragger.. Much more of a challenge than the citabria..

wallypilot · Post by **wallypilot** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:59 am

yeah, i do want something a bit more challenging, but I'll take what I can get.

I know there is a privately owned Beech18 in ZBB, but I highly doubt the guy would allow any training on it. However, with further research it looks like one of the cessnas would be better. I am thinking the citabria might be too forgiving. I don't want any false sense of security after the training.

There's gotta be a 180 somewhere around. i'd go the the island if necessary, or even up the sunshing coast or squamish.

thanks
wp

Mitch Cronin · Post by **Mitch Cronin** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:11 am

endless wrote:Nice double post lever: You suck at the internet.

"endless
Rank Moderator"

WTF?

Lever · Post by **Lever** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:10 am

Im with you Mitch,

Endless, im deeply hurt.

Posting will never be the same.

PT6-114A · Post by **PT6-114A** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:23 am

dont kid your self the citabria is not "easy" and would be a good place to start.

wallypilot · Post by **wallypilot** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:54 pm

that's good to know. thanks buddy. check your pm's.

niko · Post by **niko** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:00 pm

Call Bob Salway at ProIFR. Nice bloke! They have a nice red Citabria available for training.

. . · Post by **. .** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:22 pm

Mitch Cronin wrote:
endless wrote:Nice double post lever: You suck at the internet.
"endless
Rank Moderator"

WTF?

He's my old roomate/soon to be reunited roomate, and it's an inside joke. I guess being a moderator means I can't carry on like 90% of the users on here?

Howitzer · Post by **Howitzer** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:55 pm

Hard to run when you haven't walked. Go jump in the Citabria for a bit, great little airplane. Will teach you what straight really looks like and needs to look like. I've only have 20 hours in the C180 on wheels, but from what i've heard, the C185 and it are some of the harder tailwheels out there, as they really like to ground loop. Have fun.

Mitch Cronin · Post by **Mitch Cronin** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:03 am

endless wrote:He's my old roomate/soon to be reunited roomate, and it's an inside joke. I guess being a moderator means I can't carry on like 90% of the users on here?

As a mod, I don't think you should ever carry on the nasty stuff like so many do... but I'd be the last guy to object to humour... if I knew that's what it was!....
Appearances are worth something because you're a moderator .... a representative of the MFWIC (Joe), so to speak....
...and as such, while posting with that "rank moderator" label, I reckon you ought to set an example.

butmaybethat'sjustme.....

...anyway, not that it means anything at all, but I'm glad to hear it was a joke.

. . · Post by **. .** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:42 am

Mitch: You need to lighten up dude.

Mitch Cronin · Post by **Mitch Cronin** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:54 am

You're probably right.... in fact, I'm sure you're right. ... but does that mean I'm wrong?

. . · Post by **. .** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:09 am

Yes, that means you're wrong.

Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:24 am

the C185 and (C180) are some of the harder tailwheels out there, as they really like to ground loop

Sorry, the Male Bovine Excrement detector just went off at 170db.

The C180/C185 are some of the most docile, gentle tailwheel aircraft around to land - I've flown them both, and they are total pussycats. With the long fuselage, and lots of Cessna ground-hugging weight, they are very easy to land compared to some other tailwheel aircraft.

As far as Cessna taildraggers goes, I've flown the Cessna 120/140, 170, 180 and 185 and the heavier and longer they get, they easier they are to land. The 120/140 is MUCH more squirrelly than the longer, heavier 180/185.

Never flown a C190/195, but it's just a matter of time.

Only thing I can think of, that makes a docile tailwheel aircraft a handful, is if it's been damaged, and the landing gear has toe-out. You do NOT want toe-out, just a tiny bit of toe-in to avoid excessive tire wear.

If I had to fly any Cessna (I try really hard not to, even our 421) it would be a C185 with a turbo-normalizer, a Garmin 530 and an stec autopilot.

Flying a Cessna is like having sex with a corpse. You might get your windshield wiper fluid changed, and if it's all you knew, you might think it was pretty good, but trust me, it gets a whole lot better than that.

Front. · Post by **Front.** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:21 am

I guess being a moderator means I can't carry on like 90% of the users on here?

I guess i am not the only one around here that does that then

That's cool, i'd want to do that one day. It's good for a guy in he's 80's to still be doing this, considering teaching aerobatics put's a rather high level of the stress on the body.

Cheers

Desert Duster · Post by **Desert Duster** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:25 pm

Hedley wrote:
the C185 and (C180) are some of the harder tailwheels out there, as they really like to ground loop
Sorry, the Male Bovine Excrement detector just went off at 170db.

The C180/C185 are some of the most docile, gentle tailwheel aircraft around to land - I've flown them both, and they are total pussycats. With the long fuselage, and lots of Cessna ground-hugging weight, they are very easy to land compared to some other tailwheel aircraft.

As far as Cessna taildraggers goes, I've flown the Cessna 120/140, 170, 180 and 185 and the heavier and longer they get, they easier they are to land. The 120/140 is MUCH more squirrelly than the longer, heavier 180/185.

Never flown a C190/195, but it's just a matter of time.

Only thing I can think of, that makes a docile tailwheel aircraft a handful, is if it's been damaged, and the landing gear has toe-out. You do NOT want toe-out, just a tiny bit of toe-in to avoid excessive tire wear.

I would agree, keep your feet on the pedals and the 180/185 are not that hard to deal with. Just make sure the gear is straight. One of my first jobs was on a C-188B, with gear that was not as straight as it should have been. Every landing required full and immediate right rudder on touchdown, most landings were an event untill the gear was changed out.
But I do feel a citabria would be a good place to start.

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