Canjet

hind sight · Post by **hind sight** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:35 pm

From what I know there is no comparison between the two.
WestJet class act and CanJet ClassLESS act.

rotate · Post by **rotate** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 6:47 pm

I dont' know if you're ignoring all the signs, if you're in denial, or just don't care, but things are really really bad. All your pilots detest you. They hate you.....They have had there interviews and are waiting to be rid of you. they will not give you any warning beyond 2 weeks notice, if they even give you that. You're reputation for screwing people will keep them from doing that. They have seen it done one too many times, to too many of their co-workers. They have had it.
All your actions tell us that this is a short term project at best. you're doing absolutly nothing...and I mean NOTHING to show us any different. you're doing absolutly nothing to hold on the the few pilots that are remaining. Actually you're screwing the loyal ones who have stood by you. And incase you dont know what Im talking about it's reducing the pension of the ones you didnt fire.
I personally think it's too late, I don't think you can turn this around. You have just gone to far. What you need to do is hire the lepor back, give the pension and vacation back, plus years of service and a raise. Then you just might...and I mean just might keep a few pilots to run this thing.
This is a totally different industry. Airlines are hiring. Pilots with experience are valuable. WJ and AC know this. That's why they're taking any CJ pilot thats applying. Over seas is incredible.....A 10000hr jet pilot is akin to God. Aircraft are ordered, and are parked waiting crews.
To live on the east coast of Canada doesnt cut it anymore. CJ has lost all it's shine, there's no more dreamers left just a bunch of embittered employees that will take the CJ paycheck to pay the bills till their job offers come in. They will take the new jobs, move on and quietly smile to them selves the next time they hear CJ has failed. My money is on Feb.

wooden spoon · Post by **wooden spoon** » Tue Nov 14, 2006 8:24 pm

would you give canjet notice.the last guy who told them that he had a coarse date later in the month at another company and he didnt want to waste any training money from canjet for the sake of three weeks,had his salary continuance(amount of salary paid to senior employees in lew of notice to bridge themselves ontil they found another job or ontil the termination date of the continuance)cut off.thus no salary no EI and no pay from his future employer.And a trip across the country with a family.

id say a MIAMI ONE departure is more likely.thats when you leave your pass and books in your hotel room.call a cab and head to the airport in the middle of the night,knowing you had another job for weeks.And of coarse you return ticket in pocket. thats salary continuance:D

Stick-Shaker · Post by **Stick-Shaker** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:21 am

Miami One Departure...Like It!

hind sight · Post by **hind sight** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:50 am

I can't wait to hear about the first "Miami One Departure"

55+ · Post by **55+** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:14 pm

It's that bad there,huh

B73B · Post by **B73B** » Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:49 pm

LMAO!! Can't wait to see how the excitement unfolds!

green bastard · Post by **green bastard** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:27 pm

I would guess the Z is shaking in his boots about now. Canjet will soon
run out of pilots. The majority of those that are there, have jobs that will soon come calling and they will leave. This is like a bad game of poker and Z does not not known his own hand but every one else at the table can see his cards. My bet is that Canjet will not be able to meet its contractual obligations in the new year. Any takers ?

wooden spoon · Post by **wooden spoon** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:49 pm

ill put up a half of a jug of draft and a half pound of chicken wings.

who am i kidding im just thinking about the other half. uum chicken wings,
huuh

jjj · Post by **jjj** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:36 am

I think guys will still line up to work at Canjet.

Remember JetsGo - the company was failing - it was a mathmatical certainty that it would die - the owner was not the most stellar owner in aviation............... but guys we're lined up out the door!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jjj

disco · Post by **disco** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:54 am

jjj wrote:I think guys will still line up to work at Canjet.

Remember JetsGo - the company was failing - it was a mathmatical certainty that it would die - the owner was not the most stellar owner in aviation............... but guys we're lined up out the door!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jjj

The company was failing? There was no public information to that effect aside from some unfounded media smear tactics.

It was a mathematical certainty? Really?

Clint23 · Post by **Clint23** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 11:37 am

disco wrote:
jjj wrote:I think guys will still line up to work at Canjet.

Remember JetsGo - the company was failing - it was a mathmatical certainty that it would die - the owner was not the most stellar owner in aviation............... but guys we're lined up out the door!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jjj
The company was failing? There was no public information to that effect aside from some unfounded media smear tactics.

It was a mathematical certainty? Really?

Yes, it was. How can you fly MD80's below RVSM airspace for $1 tickets? Even if you were paying full fare the other way, there is no way a company can stay in business racking up losses like that. It was a CERTAINTY.

Besides, I have some buds at TC, and they told me after the fact, that if they had not closed shop themselves, then those "unfounded media smear tactics" as you call them probably would have led to their shutdown.

Things like training documents incomplete, no proper dispatch training, no proper flight following etc...

flyin' fish · Post by **flyin' fish** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 12:12 pm

jjj wrote:I think guys will still line up to work at Canjet.

Remember JetsGo - the company was failing - it was a mathmatical certainty that it would die - the owner was not the most stellar owner in aviation............... but guys we're lined up out the door!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jjj

People are going back because a paycheck is better than EI. That's a MATHMATICAL truth. But I guarantee you that the line up going out the door will be longer than the one coming in. First Officers are relatively easy to find and train, finding Captains is a different ball game. And that's what going to sink CanJet, more Captains leaving then what could be hired or upgraded.

rotate · Post by **rotate** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:43 pm

The big difference this time is who's leaving. The "lifers" are lining up this time. Ever since Air Atlantic there's been a group who've always looked on the positive side, put the east coast ahead of the career. They are the ones headed for the door this time. No one has any faith left. No one wants to be around when he shuts it all down again.

jjj · Post by **jjj** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:08 pm

No slag intended for those who choose to return from the EI situation.

I was referring to people coming in off the streets to go work at Canjet part trois.

Disco - I don't recall any smear tactics re: JetGone. I recall people telling it like it was. The only surprise about JetsGo is that it lasted as long as it did. JetsGo was a piece of shit airline that was lucky to have some good people working there. JetsGo hurt the airline industry and therefore affected many people financially over and beyond those who lost their 30K for a type rating.

jjj

rickenbacker · Post by **rickenbacker** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:42 pm

Personally I think for someone going to CJ off the street it will be a good deal. Chances are if you have to sign a training bond R will just shut it down before it becomes an issue. You get a B73b on your lisence, a few hundred hours in your logbook and WJ will look at you when you head for the UI line.

wooden spoon · Post by **wooden spoon** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:50 pm

actually jjj if you had to look you would have realized that jetsgo was not giving away seats for a dollar and that they were actually giving away a one way for a dollar based on a return ticket that was just around 20 bucks or so less than the nearest competition.so in essence they were undercutting the competition by say 20 bucks,but if everybody drops the ticket price everybody at some point looses money.if your so savy at the airline business you would have seen this instead of making statements such as you did.lets be honest not drinking coolaid.
just stiring the pot.

jjj · Post by **jjj** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:48 pm

Not stirring the pot and the cool-aid is set aside for now.

Often in business, the price of a product is set by the dumbest competitor. Such as in the telecomunications business where prices are set at a loss to gain market share.

WS and AC had to match the competition - there was little choice to make on that front. JetsGo only had to raise prices a few bucks to something that made sense and they would have lasted a lot longer. They could have even bought a few parts for them '83s.

jjj

WJ700 · Post by **WJ700** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:05 am

I love the Miami One, sounds awesome. I'm sure it was partly joke but don't leave that pass. Turn it in yourself via the pass office and get a receipt. I had that stupid F'ing prick Grant W threaten not to pay me if I didn't give HIM the pass. He did this in writing and I still have the letter. I gave it to him and it caused a total shit storm for me when I went to get a new YYC pass. They read me the riot act and told me it was not my employers place to ask for that. I had to show them the letter and wait a week while the sorted it out.

Sorry to hijack the thread but I just wanted to help perfect that Miami One, love it.

FlySmrt · Post by **FlySmrt** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:54 pm

WJ700 wrote:....but don't leave that pass. Turn it in yourself via the pass office and get a receipt.

If you read the back of your pass it is property of the airport that issued the pass, not the company that you work for. Good luck to everybody.

wrc · Post by **wrc** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 5:37 pm

Anyone who didn't know Jetsgo was failing probably were lets say, simplistic in their view. There were people driving cabs in Whitehorse who knew they were a lost cause. I'm sure 95% of pilots flying anything bigger then a C180 knew about Mikey and his track record. If it took anyone by surprise they were Airline Darwin winners.

double-j · Post by **double-j** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:23 pm

wooden spoon wrote:actually jjj if you had to look you would have realized that jetsgo was not giving away seats for a dollar and that they were actually giving away a one way for a dollar based on a return ticket that was just around 20 bucks or so less than the nearest competition.so in essence they were undercutting the competition by say 20 bucks,but if everybody drops the ticket price everybody at some point looses money.if your so savy at the airline business you would have seen this instead of making statements such as you did.lets be honest not drinking coolaid.
just stiring the pot.

Thats not true. I found you could book both ways at $1. per way if you were flexible enough. (within two1/2 weeks).

If you thought they were so competitive, why did they go tango-uniform?

wooden spoon · Post by **wooden spoon** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:25 pm

doublej,not sure about that but ive tried several times to do that and it would never let me do it and ive had several other people tell me the same that it always came up just a little under.around 20-30 dollars.people still seemed to like having that in pocket.so they still bought the tickets.begrudgingly because of the gimmick.i Do not doubt you but i dont think it was that common.

rotate · Post by **rotate** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 7:49 am

Can we get back on track of bashing CJ?

FlySmrt · Post by **FlySmrt** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 11:11 am

What’s sad is that when I applied to CanJet, (as probably most of everybody else did too) I knew there was a chance the doors would close, but I applied to work there anyway. At least there are other options than going back to CJ, but it does take time to find another job. What’s even sadder is that until that time does come, I have no choice but to go back because Walmart or Home Depot don’t pay as much as even EI does. I may not be part of a “Miami One” departure, but I plan on leaving eventually.

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