747 Manual

Commonwealth · Post by **Commonwealth** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:28 am

A while back someone posted a couple of Aircraft
Operating Manuals on this site, in pdf format. One
of them was a Boeing 737. Does anyone have a 747
manual? I know it is a lot of work to compile it this way,
but I sure would like to get my hands on one for study
purposes. Any variant would be fine. Thanks all.

Commonwealth

Mitch Cronin · Post by **Mitch Cronin** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:54 am

I do sincerely hope that "a while back..." statement is incorrect, and I further hope that all who visit this forum understand why such things should NOT be posted publicly.

As for "Commonwealth" asking.... Give your head a shake! How'd you like to be the next guy to help the Mo-bin-Killin' brothers drive an airplane into a crowd?.... or are you one of those dreaming to do just that yourself?

If you have a genuine need for an AOM, you'll also have a genuine source for one.... Otherwise give it up. You may not be a bad guy, but there might be a whole bushell full of 'em reading along...

Axial Flow · Post by **Axial Flow** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:19 am

If you have a genuine need for an AOM, you'll also have a genuine source for one.... Otherwise give it up. You may not be a bad guy, but there might be a whole bushell full of 'em reading along...

Yeah I am sure they are waiting for one of their buddies to get a 747 POH off Avcanada to read up on it.

I get your point but like you said if they have a genuine desire to fly a plane into a building they will find a way how to.

PS I think you dropped your hood back there.

Golden Flyer · Post by **Golden Flyer** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:46 am

What's the big deal about him posting it? If he really wanted to fly a plane in a building and needed a POH, all he needs to do his head to an aviation store...

Mitch Cronin · Post by **Mitch Cronin** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:48 am

Axial Flow wrote:[Yeah I am sure they are waiting for one of their buddies to get a 747 POH off Avcanada to read up on it.

No, not likely, but why offer such a thing on a silver platter?

Axial Flow wrote:PS I think you dropped your hood back there.

I'm thinkin' you're reading a heck of a lot more into what I said than what I said.... and certainly beyond what I intended to say, if you think you see a hood somewhere....

Mitch Cronin · Post by **Mitch Cronin** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 10:01 am

Golden Flyer wrote:What's the big deal about him posting it? If he really wanted to fly a plane in a building and needed a POH, all he needs to do his head to an aviation store...

Well... maybe I'm out to lunch, but it seems to me if Mohamed Atta, or his ilk, could just grab a copy of an AOM from the privacy of their anonymous handle on the internet someplace, it'd be a lot easier for them than if they had to show their face at a cash register someplace actually buying whatever is indeed available for the general public to buy (and I'm not entirely sure a 747 AOM is publicly available at any aviation supply store, would it be?)....

I would have thought that level of "security" was a pretty elementary and obvious first step. ...I'm kinda puzzled to see people acting as though sharing such detail publicly would be no big deal?... If it's so easy to get anyway, why would anyone (like "Commonwealth") need to ask here?

Highflyinpilot · Post by **Highflyinpilot** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 11:40 am

I dont really think mohamed whaterver his name is isnt actually gonna show up at a cash register himself, You think osama fuckface is actually gonna show his face at a local merchandise store to buy supplies as such.

I should say though I myself wouldn't post a copy of a 747 manual, I havnt got the time to do such a thing nor do i want, but never the less

No more BS · Post by **No more BS** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:00 pm

What's a 747?

Doctor Evil · Post by **Doctor Evil** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:29 pm

If terrorists only had an AFM to rely on then we probably wouldn't need to worry about them even having enough skill to hit their target.

Mig29 · Post by **Mig29** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:26 pm

for someone to "get away" with knocking out two towers and stirring so much sh8t in the world in the aftermath...I am sure they had a much easier method of obtaining a 747 POH....I mean AvCanada would certenly be on their low priority list of places to search for one....come on people...

Skipper · Post by **Skipper** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:12 pm

Mitch,

I see what you're driving at, but the fact is, none of this stuff is top secret. Aviation stores do sell aircraft operating manuals/checklists and all kinds of reference material. You can go out and buy a fully functional 747 for MS flight simulator and learn how to be a jackass terrorist from the comfort of your own armchair, working FMS and everything!

The only issue here is a copyright one, as I'm sure the manufacturer doesn't want the thing duplicated without consent.

Captain CADORS · Post by **Captain CADORS** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 12:07 am

Commonwealth - asked a fair question... The initial response from Mitch Cronin came from the type of person that brought gun registry into Canada. One idiot who thinks he knows it all makes the honest citizens look like criminals. Every thug downtown Vancouver can get his hands on a gun, it's the honest citizens that take the rap on the knuckles and have to pay. Nice words Mitch - learn how to point the guns in the right direction...

Mitch Cronin · Post by **Mitch Cronin** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 1:18 am

Now I'm responsible for the gun registry am I?? Sheesh!

Hey, I just don't think we should make things easy for the bad guys, thats all... If you folks don't see anything wrong with making that sort of stuff that easily available, then what the heck... have at 'er.

I think Skipper is probably right anyway... I guess it's a good thing the folks at Microsoft don't know how to handle the cockpit door locks.

Conquest Driver · Post by **Conquest Driver** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:57 am

Mitch Writes: "I think Skipper is probably right anyway... I guess it's a good thing the folks at Microsoft don't know how to handle the cockpit door locks."

The folks at MS may or may not know about cockpit door locks but they sure as heck don't know, and wouldn't publish, the entry codes. I guess that's where I draw a line. There have been all sorts of news media stories on hijackings. There have been lots of references to the “hijack code”. Never once have I seen or heard a journalist publish the actual code. Seems like responsible journalism to me.

If we're going to ban information on aircraft, then perhaps we need to ban information on some other subjects. Such as? Physics, we don’t' want terrorists building nuclear weapons. Biology, we don't want terrorists building biological weapons. Chemistry, we don't want terrorists building chemical weapons. This is starting to look like a recipe for a new "dark ages".

Benjamin Franklin writes “Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both”.

He was so right.

niss · Post by **niss** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 9:12 am

The folks at MS may or may not know about cockpit door locks but they sure as heck don't know, and wouldn't publish, the entry codes. I guess that's where I draw a line. There have been all sorts of news media stories on hijackings. There have been lots of references to the “hijack code”. Never once have I seen or heard a journalist publish the actual code. Seems like responsible journalism to me.

Whats the big deal with publishing the XPDR hijack codes? The Muhammed Atta and friends had formal flight training and that is simple groundschool stuff.

Commonwealth · Post by **Commonwealth** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 2:49 pm

Thanks everyone, but I located what I was looking for. Cheers

Commonwealth