PPC on Navajo and logging of training time?

helinas · Post by **helinas** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 2:26 pm

In some words this is my questions and comments to you guys out there:

A commercial pilot with about 10 hours of twin time total decides to get a PPC on a navajo which he owns to use it for future business ventures. He starts training with a training pilot and the navajo is registered commercially not private if that matters at all.

He writes his name in the dual section of his log book and the training pilot puts his name in the PIC column. After the training is complete and this guys does the ride with DOT he goes back and whites out his name and the training pilot's name and reverses them where it shows the student pilot being himself being the PIC and the training pilot as the 2nd pilot.

my questions to you guys out there,

--can he white out mistakes in his log book

--can he log the time as PIC when he was training?

thanks

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:17 pm

What do you REALLY want to do, helinas? Now, it's get a PPC...which you can't do, unless the aircraft is owned by an air carrier with which you are employed? A PPC on a Navajo for a pilot with TEN hours multi time would be useless. No, you cant " white out" your mistakes in a log book. If you could use white out, I'd white out all my Dak time, and put in Boeing!
So, do you want to instruct? Or start flying to BUF? Or get a PPC on a Navajo?

748 ho · Post by **748 ho** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:20 pm

HEY DOC I AM AC NOW HAHHHHHHAAAAAAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:32 pm

I know...and still bitching!

short bus · Post by **short bus** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:42 pm

The answer to both your questions is NO

If you're receiving training, you're not the pic. Do you honestly not know the answer to these questions yourself?

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:52 pm

"Aeronautics Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. A-2, as am., s. 7.3(1)(c)
Alteration of Log Book Entries
The applicant made false log book entries with respect to the fuel and gross weight of his aircraft on take-off. The Minister imposed a 14 day suspension.
On review, the Tribunal confirmed the Minister's decision, noting that the applicant admitted to the alteration and falsification of the entries."

helinas · Post by **helinas** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:21 pm

No Doc I do not want a ppc on a navajo, I will begin training for the instructor next month. This is a question regarding my former business partner and relative that pulled this scam while we used to own a navajo back in the late 80's and early 90's. I just found out by loooking at his log book through my lawyer.

Thank you, I know that you can't log the time as PIC just wanted a confirmation so my former business partner can't tell me in court that he could have done it legally.

No PPC for me, I said it before and I will say it again I don't work for free and won't get a PPC on nothing.

thanks and any additional comments would be appreciated.

Does anybody know the TC site where I can get this info straight from them regarding these regulations?

aileron · Post by **aileron** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:22 pm

Is this a question of "what if" or "a buddy of mine once..."

You may only correct an entry by lining out the entry with a pen, so the previous entry is still legible.

The training time, as dual, may go toward your total ATP and thats about it, I believe.

CLguy · Post by **CLguy** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:33 pm

Helinas, instead of going through all of this mud slingling on the world wide web why don't you just call the Enforcement Branch of TC. I am sure they will be more than willing to help you with your little problem because if it is as posted, someone has broken a few laws.

CD · Post by CD » Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:34 pm

helinas wrote:Does anybody know the TC site where I can get this info straight from them regarding these regulations?

Sounds like what xsbank posted above may be the reference. In the Aeronautics Act, paragraph 7.3(1)(c) states the following:

"No person shall ... make or cause to be made any false entry in a record required under this Part to be kept with intent to mislead or wilfully omit to make any entry in any such record..."

Aeronautics Act - Prohibitions

helinas · Post by **helinas** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:20 pm

Thanks CLguy I will try that,

much appreciated

altiplano · Post by **altiplano** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:22 pm

Feck buddy - didn't you post this same crap 2 weeks ago? How feckin more obvious can the answers to your questions be? FECK..........

helinas · Post by **helinas** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:38 pm

easy now and my apologies for the question altiplano. I have been trying to find out from TC but nobody is replying to my email and everybody is on holiday.

My apologies altiplano,

3Green · Post by **3Green** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 6:36 am

If you're as annoying on the phone are you are on here I wouldn't return your friggin calls either. Do some reading for yourself and quit airing your dirty laundry on here. We're all sick of it.

helinas · Post by **helinas** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:25 am

who are you talking about 3Green?

snaproll20 · Post by **snaproll20** » Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:53 am

not sure the 'offence' is prosecutable after elapse of 3 years.
Other than advice, IF you can get it, I don't think Enforcement would be interested in this.

corn-shoot · Post by **corn-shoot** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:49 pm

helinas wrote:who are you talking about 3Green?

He's talking to you. What he is saying is that you are a fucking lazy retard.

helinas · Post by **helinas** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:10 pm

there is absolutely no need for this shit corn-shoot, I am not lazy and have tried to find the info on my own but looking for more info on this site I guess I made the mistake for asking.

Thank you for showing how mature you are corn-shoot, really you must be some tough guy eh.

Love the language that you are using, did you use a dictionary?

Justwannafly · Post by **Justwannafly** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:31 pm

oh helinas its always fun reading your posts...Just like Doc I'm also confused as to what you are doing these days lol
btw guy no need to be rude...

OH & helinas no you can't get a PPC on your own plane...however if you were to lease it..or if it was used for commercial flight you could put your self down as a pilot working for your own company & then it would be legal....however you would have to talk to TC or someone more informed then me on how to do that...as for the logbook thing...that is illegal & will get you in all kinds of trouble

helinas · Post by **helinas** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:38 am

You know what I am doing these days Justwannafly, I am studying for my instructor rating that is all. I have been screwed by my cousin a while back as we both co-owned this aircraft and all I have been doing is throwing some questions out there for others that know more than me that might know the answer and that is all. You don't think I have tried to find the answer on my own, for sure I try and try and TC does not reply with the correct answers or respond to my emails.

Sorry I asked justwannafly, disregard please and have a great day. I don't have any more stupid questions regarding shuttles between Mississauga to Burlington anymore or charter outfits out of Brantford or St. Catharines or shuttles between Oshawa to Ottawa, that's finished on my part.

Thanks to all the guys that have tried to give me a direction to this question but guys like Doc and justwannafly seem to laugh at me so let's disregard this post and move on.

thanks

helinas

3Green · Post by **3Green** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:06 am

Does this mean you won't be posting on here anymore then?? Oh my god, Christmas HAS come early!!!!!

desksgo · Post by **desksgo** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 8:10 am

helinas wrote:
Thanks to all the guys that have tried to give me a direction to this question but guys like Doc and justwannafly seem to laugh at me

You forgot about me, I want to laugh at you too.

Justwannafly · Post by **Justwannafly** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 3:13 pm

helinas wrote:You know what I am doing these days Justwannafly, I am studying for my instructor rating that is all. I have been screwed by my cousin a while back as we both co-owned this aircraft and all I have been doing is throwing some questions out there for others that know more than me that might know the answer and that is all. You don't think I have tried to find the answer on my own, for sure I try and try and TC does not reply with the correct answers or respond to my emails.

Sorry I asked justwannafly, disregard please and have a great day. I don't have any more stupid questions regarding shuttles between Mississauga to Burlington anymore or charter outfits out of Brantford or St. Catharines or shuttles between Oshawa to Ottawa, that's finished on my part.

Thanks to all the guys that have tried to give me a direction to this question but guys like Doc and justwannafly seem to laugh at me so let's disregard this post and move on.

thanks

helinas

yea I laugh'd at you..but I also defend'd you & told them not to be rude

keep ask'n your questions...I have no problem with it & I will try to help out when/if I can (as you can see by above answer I gave you)....I was laugh'n at the fact that you seem to be all over the place thats all

helinas · Post by **helinas** » Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:36 pm

3Green and deskgo thank you for your remarks, much appreciated.

Merry Christmas

helinas