"We had our radio turned down"

2milefinal · Post by **2milefinal** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:14 pm

snaproll20 wrote:
Anyway, next time, cpl_atc,. when an aircraft disappears off the radio, get a quick post on Avcanada. The shit that gets thrown on here HAS to get up to 25,000 feet and the splattered windshield may clue the crew.

Stay KOOOOL!!!!!

...good one

imarai · Post by **imarai** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:21 pm

Non-verbal ATC-PILOT communication is ten years overdue. The technology exists and implementation on air carrier types would not be too expensive. TEXT MESSAGING ANYONE?

Dash-Ate · Post by **Dash-Ate** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:27 pm

bob sacamano wrote:Did you call them a stupid cunt?

I must admit, I've had the radios down to listen to another frequency, and have forgotten it, mind you it was caught a few minutes later.

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cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:47 pm

neilblythin wrote:........

Yeah, I didn't get that either..... I think they did have it turned down, and after reading about TC and our standards, and avcanada chat,

decided not to fill the frequency with even more chatter which would cause others to turn it off, have us post about people filling freq.

Decided not to say anything because then they'd incriminate themselves with whatever answer....

Saves them time, money and doesn't piss off other pilots in area.

But hey, I'm sure you'd still be here ranting if they gave you a 10 minute conversation on the radio,

"well I wanted a bj, so I gave control to SO, he turned radio down by accident, he was listening to silence, noticed, told f/o, f/o started listening to silence, to confirm it was silent, realised s/o was correct, checked checklist for comm failure, which had several steps, startingwith....... then he turned up the sound, realised it was down, and waited for the f/a to finish to let me know of what happened and once I was done and once he finished briefing me on the situation I got back to you....."

Yeah, I'm sure everyone would love to here that story on the radio....

bob sacamano · Post by **bob sacamano** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:28 pm

Dash-Ate wrote:
bob sacamano wrote:Did you call them a stupid cunt?

I must admit, I've had the radios down to listen to another frequency, and have forgotten it, mind you it was caught a few minutes later.

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I'll have to watch my language!

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TopperHarley · Post by **TopperHarley** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:33 pm

When we are cruising above FL180 in controlled airspace, we are usually monitoring center on one radio, and monitoring company frequency on the other.

Brewguy · Post by **Brewguy** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:43 pm

cpl_atc wrote:...They were asked to call the shift manager after landing. That is when the explanation was offered. It is not a contradiction, it is new information available 12 hrs after the first post...

Well, ok then - that makes more sense now. But perhaps you could have provided the rest of us with that updated information, rather than let people keep speculating about plausible explanations for you.

Maybe a post something along the lines of:
Update: the crew was asked to call after landing... apparently they turned the radio down on purpose "because there was too much chatter"

adhc2 · Post by **adhc2** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:35 pm

Interesting bit of additional info from cpl ATC, so indeed this was a deliberate action by the party in question. Of course we still don,t have all the info, but I am glad to hear that ATC called them on the carpet. I have found that ATC do a good job in with dealing these kind of problems.

On two occasions I have had near misses due to partys not following published procedure in a control zone, the offending pilots were called up on the carpet. ATC gave them a thorough debrief and repremand, although they did not write them up. Given the levity of the situation in both cases I contacted ATC after the incidents and found them to be very
concerned and prepared to take appropriate action. One who I knew asked me my opinion of what should be done.My response was a debrief and a dressing down but no violation if the offender was receptive, he agreed.

Turned out the offender was a young kid on his solo cross country. I met that kid later on, and also discussed it with him. Great kid learned a valuable lesson, without gettin a permanent red stripe on his file. Last I heard that kid is doin real well flyin commercially.

I believe constuctive critisizm and positive re-enforcement is a far more effective way of dealing with these kind of situations. I was never in favor of the fair trial followed by an execution mentality.

I hope that In this case the message got threw loud and clear to the offending pilot.

Mitch Cronin · Post by **Mitch Cronin** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:46 pm

cpl_atc wrote:The pilot apparently refused to acknowledge that there was anything wrong with his self-admitted concious decision to turn the radio down

ya gotta wonder... sounds a bit like a dentist pilot I once knew...

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:39 pm

My .02, if they didn't hear anything from ATC for 15 minutes directed at them or otherwise, it should click in to make sure the thing is at least turned up shouldn't it?

2milefinal · Post by **2milefinal** » Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:31 am

cpl_atc

At what point/time do you guys in ATC start to wonder if you have a PILOT INCAPACITATION thing?
such as

http://www.airdisaster.com/news/0805/14/news.shtml

Donald · Post by **Donald** » Sun Jan 07, 2007 9:29 am

Just wait till you have a whack of VLJ's up there...

adhc2 · Post by **adhc2** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 12:03 am

CPL-ATP
I must beg to differ, airmanship and safety have no relationship with the value or size of the aircraft. You said that a kid on a solo cross country is
something altogether different. The fact of the matter it is about peoples lives being endangered. I lost a close personal friend 8 years ago at YYF
who was involved in a midair with another lite A/C, the other 4 people in the offending machine also died. I know my friends widow would agree with me, although I believe the insurance companys had a different take on the situation.

At the risk of belaboring my point what counts to me is does the offender in your case understand the ramifications of his actions.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:15 am

It was clear, based on the pilot's reaction, that there was little or no appreciation for the ramifications from the pilot's side. That is what is most depressing and disgusting.

Was it a two crew operation?

C206Pilot · Post by **C206Pilot** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:32 am

i have been told by experienced pilots that they fall asleep sometimes. an airline guy told me he always programs a hold at some point passed the airport incase this happens. also had a military guy tell me him and his entire crew of 4 pilots all fell asleep once and woke up 2 hours passed the airport and had to turn around....lol

Croissant Wrench · Post by **Croissant Wrench** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 8:06 am

I hope enforcement gets a go at this dolt, a nice Rec and Neg ought to wake him(her) up before next time is too late.

There's nothing wrong with an aircraft that a little competency on the part of the operator couldn't cure.

Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 11:06 am

Putting radios in airplanes was about as smart an idea as giving women the vote.

Brewguy · Post by **Brewguy** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 11:40 am

xflyer: you seem new here.
You joined after this thread had been going for a while, and your only 3 posts on this board so far have been in this thread.

Hmm, interesting.
................... was it you?

p.s. No need to answer that. In the absence of an answer, we'll all just keep making our "dumb assumptions!"

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 12:37 pm

" cpl_atc i hope the crew of the a/c did not hurt your feelings ! "

So there were two of you?

Brewguy · Post by **Brewguy** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 8:12 pm

You know what Xflyer ... I think it was you!

That is the only way you would be able to 'share some insight' ... otherwise, you're only adding to the 'dumb assumptions' like the rest of us.
.... and of course, no need to do it via PM if you're just speculating.

Well then? "Xflyer" is an anonymous enough name (not like you're using your real name on this internet forum); so why don't you simply go ahead and share your insight with all of us?

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 8:24 pm

" The explanation they offered upon landing was that they purposely turned the radio down "because there was too much chatter". "

If true, a license suspension would be in order.

Smurfjet · Post by **Smurfjet** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:12 am

Xflyer wrote:What a great welcome to AVCANADA !

I think you hurt his feelings

the_professor · Post by **the_professor** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:08 pm

Xflyer wrote:I do agree, for the latter as a pilot you must be fully aware of the operational status on board, yet situations vary from flight to flight. In the end it is the responsiblity of the pilot to contact the area controllers , and that being said not hearing from atc and not replying to atc is a direct refelection of the pilot or crew. cpl_atc plz pm and maybe we can share some insight to this topic !

I'm still waiting to see the "insight" on this topic. Type away, Xflyer!

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