Wilderness North Air Tractor
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Wilderness North Air Tractor
So what's the plan for this aircraft? Will it be operating it on wheels or is it a fire boss variant? Will the MNR be contracting it or the lumber companies? Maybe it's for when some drunk american sets fire to one of the lodges.
Does the AT 802 have any spots to store the fuel pumps? What about ice protection or IFR certification? Yeah it can hold a lot of liquid but has this been completely thought out? If the weather goes out for a week the lights go out in YWP, and Jonas is going to be pissed he can't watch his bell expressvu. Do they actually have the aircraft yet or is this still a theory?
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Air Tractors have been used to haul fuel for years, it's not a new concept.
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The hopper capacity on an AT-802 is 800 US gallons or 666 imperial gallons or about 3050 ltrs. All of which work out to about 14.8 drumsWater off wrote: The equilvalent of 18 drums for less than T/O operating cost.
What is the certification process? Air tractor and other crop dusters have been hauling fuel for decades now. As long as you don't exceed the landing weight what else is there to do?
There was a question of pumps? What do you need pumps on the aircraft for? There will be a pump at each end. about 5 mins to fill it and 3 mins to empty it.
802 landing weight is 16000 lbs. I think the 502 might have a lower landing weight than take off..but don't quote me on that.
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No, it's not....Water off wrote:Actually it is a new concept
Unless I've been having delusions on past fuel hauls and the AT's that I saw were just figments of my imagination.
However, I HAVE been a bit out of the loop so maybe there are some ADDITIONAL requirements now. I have to agree with Bigsky on his comments, that's exactly what I recall.
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It IS a new concept.....for Canada. I've seen them do it in the States.
Where to store the pumps? They don't need no stinking pumps! Prop brake, and what works like a "PTO", the engine does the pumping. Pilot can stay in his seat. As for poor weather days...just park the sucker! There's always tomorrow. Leave the stupid IFR crap to the other guys! Single pilot, day, VFR! KISS!
Where to store the pumps? They don't need no stinking pumps! Prop brake, and what works like a "PTO", the engine does the pumping. Pilot can stay in his seat. As for poor weather days...just park the sucker! There's always tomorrow. Leave the stupid IFR crap to the other guys! Single pilot, day, VFR! KISS!
I guess I'm delusional then, cause I SWEAR I saw (and spoke with the drivers OF) Canadian registered A.T.'s ACTIVELY involved in a fuel haul in Thompson, MB in 1998.Doc wrote:It IS a new concept.....for Canada.
Someone else who was there please step in and concur, here. Bronson? You out there? You were there.
So... there! LOL
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Flybabe, I don't know about 1998 but I believe last year A At802f (dual seat) flew fuel north bound out of CYTH for Perimeter. The Aircraft actually belongs to three Manitoba sprayers and the reg is C-GEDR. Also a note that they haul more than 800 us gal. I believe they have 240 gal wing tanks that they also drain some fuel out of.
SO, Doc.... what you're saying, in short form, is...
It's not a new concept?
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It's not a new concept?
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I'm sure it's not a new concept. Doing it legally, now that's a new concept.
Last time I looked at the TDG Regs you couldn't haul fuel in an aircraft in any container larger than 230 litres. There may be something in there to allow using a spray plane to haul fuel, but I don't really care enough about this debate to actually look it up.
I'm sure if someone wanted to wade through the quagmire of red tape, they could make it happen, but then you would still have a $2 million aircraft to pay for.
Anything is possible.
Last time I looked at the TDG Regs you couldn't haul fuel in an aircraft in any container larger than 230 litres. There may be something in there to allow using a spray plane to haul fuel, but I don't really care enough about this debate to actually look it up.
I'm sure if someone wanted to wade through the quagmire of red tape, they could make it happen, but then you would still have a $2 million aircraft to pay for.
Anything is possible.
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