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Ei pay for Instructor rating

Post by Highflyinpilot »

Im wondering if anyone has ever been through a layoff from a company not aviation related and managed to get unemployment insurance to pay for an instructor rating or MIFR?
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I know of a guy who recently got $10k to go get his MIFR ... but he had a letter from a company with a twin, saying that they'd consider hiring him if he got that additional qualification.

If you just walk up to them and say, "I'd like you to pay me to take astronaut training!", well, good luck.
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Yeah pretty sure you need to have proof that you can take this extra training and have a job available either shortly after completion or right after.
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If your on EI you can get 50% paid by the gov for a "career change" plus a tiny bit extra for living expenses. If you have "special status" you will get 100% paid
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Hedley wrote:I know of a guy who recently got $10k to go get his MIFR ... but he had a letter from a company with a twin, saying that they'd consider hiring him if he got that additional qualification.
This is such an inappropriate use of public funds! There are too many pilots as it is. EI should be paying for people to go into the construction trades not into an industry that has a chronic oversupply of labour which is forcing wages and job satisfaction through the floor. Canada needs trades people, not more pilots!
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There are some trades that EI will fast track your funding; skilled trades, truck drivers, etc. You won't have as many hoops to jump through if you wanted to go to truck driving school, they just pay the tuition and hope that you're never on the system again.

For other trades, like flying, if you got that letter that states you will have a job after, then, as far as they're concerned, all i's are dotted and t's are crossed.
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EI paid for 50% of my instructor rating a couple years ago coming out of another aviation related job(DC3 Crewman) If you want any info on what I did, PM me or when I get more time I will post something. Beer time...
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I applied and received $12k to do my MIFR training, which I am taking at the moment. You basically have to show the following:

1) A detailed job search with your current experience (hours)
- a sheet that lists the places you applied to, their requirements, and
the outcome (I emailed resumes, no response, called, no job)

2) At least 3 (6 is better) companies that you call and ask, "How is the market condition?, What are the prospects for someone with 1300 hours and MIFR?, etc (there is a sheet you are given that has the listed info to ask)

3) At least 6 job postings that list your experience (hours) and only requireing MIFR for you to be hireable, which you do not have.

4) Print out the market condition from a website given to you by the EI people that lists the overall market for pilots as "FAIR", which means there are slightly more jobs than pilots, as of 2005. Who knew? It also says that the prospects in the future up to 2010 are "GOOD"

5) Fill out a long application detailing why you need the training. For example, I can only do seasonal work and keep going back on EI, therefore, if I get my MIFR, the companies I looked at said I could get hired year-round and I wouldn't have to go on EI again. Plus, with the sheet saying there are job openings and the market condition is "FAIR", I will be able to find work fairly easily.

That's it. If you're accepted, they basically tell you that they are investing in your future as a pilot and that over your lifetime you will pay back the EI and more, so everyone wins (well, I guess they win in the end... they always do).

If anyone wants more detailed info, just PM me and I'll be glad to answer to the best of my ability. As for instructing, I dunno the details but I don't see why EI would have a problem lending a hand if you can prove you need it.

Hope this info helps.
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so this is where all my deductions have been going over the years...
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Its a few years ago now but there was a 757 skipper who had EI cover his conversion into the helicopter world. Major dollars. Another guy had an Airbus course covered.

Jump through the hoops and play nice. If your claim is denied simply appeal it. EI is not interested in extending an appeal. After one you should get your funding.
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Well i wasnt laid off long enough to even inquire at the local service canada office. Guess it's back to the same old thing.


Thanks anyways
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E.I. funding is not all that easy to get. Especially for pilots. They actually have a separate info sheet specifically for pilots. You must be able to get a job offer to qualify. There are many differences depending on where you live. Where I am in BC, the funding actually comes from a different organization that operates apart from E.I. They only pay up to 50% of the training costs and will not cover any additional expenses such as travel and hotels. They only gave me $4500 out of a total expense of $15000.
Or you could just move to Quebec and learn to speak French. Their educational system will train you to fly for free!
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crazyav8or wrote:E.I. funding is not all that easy to get. Especially for pilots. They actually have a separate info sheet specifically for pilots. You must be able to get a job offer to qualify. There are many differences depending on where you live. Where I am in BC, the funding actually comes from a different organization that operates apart from E.I. They only pay up to 50% of the training costs and will not cover any additional expenses such as travel and hotels. They only gave me $4500 out of a total expense of $15000.
Or you could just move to Quebec and learn to speak French. Their educational system will train you to fly for free!
In Quebec they don't have anything like this, have tried.............
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This is such an inappropriate use of public funds! There are too many pilots as it is. EI should be paying for people to go into the construction trades not into an industry that has a chronic oversupply of labour which is forcing wages and job satisfaction through the floor. Canada needs trades people, not more pilots!

Agreed. Get off your ass and get a McJob like the rest of us did and EARN your rating. I've paid enough into flight training without paying for yours as well.
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CCnCoke wrote:
This is such an inappropriate use of public funds! There are too many pilots as it is. EI should be paying for people to go into the construction trades not into an industry that has a chronic oversupply of labour which is forcing wages and job satisfaction through the floor. Canada needs trades people, not more pilots!

Agreed. Get off your ass and get a McJob like the rest of us did and EARN your rating. I've paid enough into flight training without paying for yours as well.
I disagree.

Simply because your grandparents paid into EI. At that point there was enough money into the system to sufficently run on its own.

You pay into the system. I pay into the system.

Why can't I claim what I pay into? As far as I'm concerned it's government theft from the people. Due to the fact that it so flooded with money that it's merely profit everywhere because the system was saturated enough with money to run on its down with out people paying into it decades ago.

I was happy to Pay EI working at Swiss Chalet....I'm happy paying working at The Source. I'm happy to get back money that myself and my family that would never get back. Why not put money that you put in benifit yourself?

So because you were happy to work your ass of at Mc D's and pay into EI....your stupidy for not taking home what you "purchased". Again as far as I'm concerned....it's your money....use it.


So everyone working their ass off sees the deductions from the gov't in their paycheck. They have earned it.
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your stupidy for not taking home what you "purchased". Again as far as I'm concerned....it's your money....use it.
Apparently what you fail to realize little one is that if you stay in aviation you'll have ample opportunity to draw from it for legit reasons when you get your first pink slip.
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There are two guys I'm working with right now that had EI help pay for their multi-IFR. They have a bunch of time but all on floats. They always get laid off in the winter once the freeze over starts.
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CCnCoke wrote:
your stupidy for not taking home what you "purchased". Again as far as I'm concerned....it's your money....use it.
Apparently what you fail to realize little one is that if you stay in aviation you'll have ample opportunity to draw from it for legit reasons when you get your first pink slip.
http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/en/sc/sk ... ment.shtml

It's called skills development. How is that not a lagit reason to apply?

At least this "little one" will have little debt.
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I agree with adam and disagree with Coke

I've been paying into EI for about 8 years and not once have I used it, When I did get laid off it was my right and freedom to utilize a system that I have paid into for a number of years If they allow me too, If I dont do it someone else will.

And also if it was so wrong why would they have the system in place. I paid into it I can use it to better myself if they allow me too, plain and simple.



P.S Coke, if it wasnt legit, there would be No (absolutely none) funding for training through EI. It is VERY legit.
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anyone wrote:P.S Coke, if it wasnt legit, there would be No (absolutely none) funding for training through EI. It is VERY legit.
Well I guess we have a bunch of morons for doctors and lawyers in this country, because if they were so smart, why do they have 100k in OSAP, when all they need to do is work construction get laid off and tell EI, "hey I want to be a brain surgeon/lawyer/computer engineer?"
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cyyz,


(not a so good) argument, you see I am already a holder of a CPL, im trying to get an extra rating to up my chances at employment. EI wont, again WONT pay for me to start from nothing and get my PPL,CPL,Instructor rating,MIFR.

What you are saying is Im starting out with no knowledge,experience etc. As with the doctor situation,your saying they would go become construction workers,get laid off then start from scratch and become a doctor, lawyer etc.
See the difference is that im already 3 quarter ways there, I already paid for my CPL etc. now im laid off, i might as well try and get another rating and get EI to pay for it seeing I have been paying into it for about 8 years and not one claim.


Nice try tho
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lol, I was directing it at everyone sorry, I didn't mean that as a personal arguement/attack....

And we do have people taking EI to get CPL's courtesy of the tax man... So it's nice that you have your cpl and want to mouch off the gov' for free instructor rating, others want multi-ifrs...

The point is... Why do we give some people a 30k cheque to do a cpl, another gets 60k helicopter traininig, you get a 10k instructor rating, when we need more surgeons, not more friggin pilots...
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Personal opinions on subject matter being debated are irrelivant.

If anything, be a citizen that votes if you feel the need that this is improper useage of government funding. Heck, the government accepts letters....why not write them and tell them why you think funding people is such a terrible thing.
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The guys that i wrote letters for EI sponsership are all working and paying more tax into the system now .So it benefits everyone having such a break for the working poor .Those pilots all had something in common they were seasonal pilots looking for a break.
The Government has got their money back in taxes paid by the pilots working full time .And the pilots got a break as not everyone can borrow mumsies platinum card to go to flight school for their mifr .And some of them were feeding a family at the time as well.
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I read what Wallypilot and CCnCoke have to say and it brings me to tears! Wake up guys!! @#$!! Two years ago "the Auditor General Sheila Fraser said the EI surplus rose to $46 billion."!! Thats AFTER all the claims and career training was paid out!! They're literally ROLLING in our money!

http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2004/12/0 ... 41206.html

Since I will be a life long contributor to EI, it only makes sense to exercise my right to cash-out any chance I get. After getting riped-off at flight college, a kick in the pants from 9/11, and finally "paying-my-dues" for 2 years don't think I don't deserve it. And that goes for any pilot who's just breaking into the industry. If you get a chance to ride the EI train, get them to pay for as much as you can!!! If you bug them enough you'll be laughing all the way to the bank!
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