Discrimination

[jjal]

From NAC Air's job posting on the jobs forum:

"Submissions by First Nations applicants particularly welcomed. "

I call discrimination.

"Submissions by Non-First Nations applicants particularly welcomed."

Yeah, that would go over well.

Thought I would stir the pot and see if I am alone on this one.

[cloudcounter]

Nasty whiteman guilt is a terrible thing

From NAC Air's job posting on the jobs forum:

"Submissions by First Nations applicants particularly welcomed. "

I call discrimination.

"Submissions by Non-First Nations applicants particularly welcomed."

Yeah, that would go over well.

Thought I would stir the pot and see if I am alone on this one.

[jjal]

guilt?

how is that guilt?

It's frustration.
It's bitterniss over the tolerance of injustice when it is on the right side of the fence.
It's anger at our "equal" society.

I have nothing to feel guilty for.

I have no problem with "equal opportunity employer" or anything like that - no I am not a racist - I believe in a very equal, fair society. This two-tiered-under-the-veil-of-equality garbage is pushing us in the wrong direction. NAC Air (albeit Aboriginal owned) ought to remove that ad right away. I own a business (not Aboriginal owned) and would never dream of suggesting I would take a non-Aboriginal over an Aboriginal. It just isn't right.

Why the hell do we stand for it and why is nobody doing anything about it?

[cloudcounter]

chill out jjal
the bleeding hearts in the gov't have downloaded all this bad whitey / good indian repression guilt and it hits the guy in the street who expects equality and fairness but gets dealt back handed political drek!
the quebec ' rights' thing is the same
Hey Ottawa! : all Canadians bleed red - got it?

my .02

guilt?

how is that guilt?

It's frustration.
It's bitterniss over the tolerance of injustice when it is on the right side of the fence.
It's anger at our "equal" society.

I have nothing to feel guilty for.

I have no problem with "equal opportunity employer" or anything like that - no I am not a racist - I believe in a very equal, fair society. This two-tiered-under-the-veil-of-equality garbage is pushing us in the wrong direction. NAC Air (albeit Aboriginal owned) ought to remove that ad right away. I own a business (not Aboriginal owned) and would never dream of suggesting I would take a non-Aboriginal over an Aboriginal. It just isn't right.

Why the hell do we stand for it and why is nobody doing anything about it?

[Chantal]

What BS!

Ottawa is waiting for Indian Residential School Survivors to pass away, by appealing the package again and again, so they won't have to pay them compensation. It's True!

If Ottawa felt so guilty how could they hand out 10.5 million in compensation to Maher Arar, so darn fast, or what about the millions gave out to the Japanese citizens, a few years ago? You think First Nations are getting guilt from Ottawa, you are wrong.

[Walker]

Equality Rights
Equality before and under law and equal protection and benefit of law

15. (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.


(2) Subsection (1) does not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration of conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups including those that are disadvantaged because of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.

[Doc]

Takes me back to my school days. The book "Animal Farm" written, I think, by George Orwell, said it best, when he stated, "All animals are equal. But some are more equal than others."
Chantal...you keep pounding that sunshine, girlfriend.

[2R]

Many years ago i got some grief when i hired a native female pilot from some of the local rednecks.I told them to kiss my hairy scottish ass.I would hire who i wanted.The same guys would probably complain about those who do not work.

She turned out to be a very good pilot and people liked to fly with her .

It takes all kinds to make the world go round

[Doc]

2R, you perhaps, methinks, missed the point. Nobody is saying you can't hire whoever you like. Hell, you can hire a three armed monkey, for all I care (I've known a few) as long as you hire the most qualified person for the job. It should not become an advantage if a person is of a certain race, color or creed.
Kind of like to hear from somebody who hired a minority, because they felt they should, and the applicant turned out to be a bad choice? I've seen it happen.

[cloudcounter]

OK,
tokenism guilt.
My daughter is native and studying to be a lawyer-there is ton$ of help available to non white!
come to think of It I may have some Cherikee in me- must search that out

cc

What BS!

Ottawa is waiting for Indian Residential School Survivors to pass away, by appealing the package again and again, so they won't have to pay them compensation. It's True!

If Ottawa felt so guilty how could they hand out 10.5 million in compensation to Maher Arar, so darn fast, or what about the millions gave out to the Japanese citizens, a few years ago? You think First Nations are getting guilt from Ottawa, you are wrong.

[Chantal]

Scots are the Best!

2R,

[Doc]

Hey 2R, Chantal likes hairy asses!

[hazatude]

Scots are the Best!

2R,

I'm half Scot. My Grandma was born in Moffat

[Doc]

Ah, but is your ass hairy?

[the_professor]

From NAC Air's job posting on the jobs forum:

"Submissions by First Nations applicants particularly welcomed. "

I call discrimination.

"Submissions by Non-First Nations applicants particularly welcomed."

Yeah, that would go over well.

Thought I would stir the pot and see if I am alone on this one.

They have to put that in, because many Indians have a problem getting off their asses to get a paycheque that isn't issued by the Government of Canada. Have you forgotten that we helped them kill off all the bison 300 years ago, and it's still our fault.

Someone should launch a Charter case over that kind of BS that they're printing.

[Walker]

Mr Professor didn’t read my post….

The charter specifically states that reverse discrimination is A OK! Its just in layer talk so people don’t get their panties in a twist….

Equality Rights
Equality before and under law and equal protection and benefit of law

15. (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.


(2) Subsection (1) does not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration of conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups including those that are disadvantaged because of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.

[trey kule]

jjal:

couldnt agree with you more.

but look at the upside. How many aboriginal pilots are there to apply?

This is one of those political ploys. When none apply and they give the job to a non-aboriginal, they will have cause to run to the govenment for more training money...and I simply have never seen more than a few aboriginal run companies that could survive without our taxpayers money.

[the_professor]

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[twotterflyer]

Here is what me thinks. jjal has some insecurity issues on his/her ability and is afraid that a native person would take the job that he/she might be after.

I say if you want the job, apply. If not, don't. If you had applied and didn't get the job because a native was hired instead, so be it! Move on little doggy! Maybe there is a better job with your name on it somewhere else.

For me, I am native and I work for a native airline and I am respected as a person who works for this company and I have been through the thick and thin of it all.

P.S. I don't see anything wrong with NAC trying to improve the well fare of the people that they serve.


Those who fear do not succeed!!

[fanspeed]

Prof-go @#$! yourself.

It should not become an advantage if a person is of a certain race, color or creed.

Nor should it be a disadvantage, Doc. It unfortuneatly is.

[twotterflyer]

computer glitch!

[Cat Driver]

How do you starve an xxxx to death?

Hide his welfare checque under his work boots.

[shimmydampner]

but look at the upside. How many aboriginal pilots are there to apply?

Enough apparently. One of my first jobs was for a native owned company, I shared a plane with a native pilot who had in previous years crashed twice and that year bent 2 airplanes, one trying to dock, the other trying to beach. I did not have, and still have not had any incident nor damaged any aircraft in any way. I got laid off when things started to slow down, not him. I asked the CP if it was because of my performance, he said no, not at all and not to think that. He couldn't tell me the real reason why, but it didn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. So much for the person doing the best job getting to keep their job.

[North Shore]

Hmm, methinks a 'chill pill' is in order here...It doesn't say "If you are not Aboriginal don't bother applying," or "only Indians will get this job, so if you're while, go pound sand." It does, however, encourage our native brethren to apply for a job that they might not otherwise apply for. I think that you are reading things between the lines that might not necessarily be there to infer that this position will only go to an Aboriginal applicant.

Still, if it does, what's the problem? I've spent more than enough time in scabrous, 3rd-world conditions on reserves in this country, wrestling with linguistic barriers as to my destination, and passenger names, to wonder what the heck I was doing there, and why one of the local bucks wasn't doing the job that I held. Offhand, I can think of two dead friends and one vegetized one, who were hurt flying into largely unappreciative areas. Would they still be here, if a little more affirmative action had taken place somewhere along the line?

Chantal: IIRC, many of the "Japanese Citizens" that were interned, and had their property seized, were, in fact, Canadian citizens...some of them WW1 vets

[Dust Devil]

The current aboriginal situation is due to the amount of dollars spent on social programs within the native community v.s spending it on economical development. 95% of government money going to aboriginal groups goes to social spending where as 5% goes to economic development. Too bad being a socialist is the fashionable thing these days.

I don't think I've ever recieved a resume from a native pilot at least who didn't put it on the resume.