182 Gear Up

Ralliart · Post by **Ralliart** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:23 pm

I don't know if this has been posted here before:

http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircraft_ ... -7951.html

Does anyone know the story behind this?

Kilo-Kilo · Post by **Kilo-Kilo** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:38 pm

The description below says the pilot thought the gear was down, but they all seem too calm to have been caught by suprise. Even the camera calmly pans from one window to the next after impact without the jarred, excited response that you would expect.

linecrew · Post by **linecrew** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:11 pm

That was just plain UNBELIEVABLE!!!

The 182 Main gear sticks out enough that the pilot should be able see it if he looks over his shoulder. When I flew the 172RG with the same type of gear we were taught always to visually verify you had a wheel on your side and if you had a passenger get them to look on theirs even if you had a green light (there was only one).

The gear horn was pretty darn loud in that video too.

Mr. North · Post by **Mr. North** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:34 pm

Looks like they knew the gear was up. What I'm wondering is, wouldn't it be better to land on the grass?

Kilo-Kilo · Post by **Kilo-Kilo** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 5:08 pm

What I'm wondering is, wouldn't it be better to land on the grass?

No! Friction is way to high and could result in the aircraft tumbling. If landing on the belly on a runway the aircraft can quite often slide to a stop with out even dropping a wing.

EDIT: I watched it again to see if you could see the gear handle - you can't. But, I couldn't help notice that they didn't put on their shoulder harnesses. The end of the pilots strap is hanging from the stow pocket over the door.

jjal · Post by **jjal** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:54 am

The procedure I have is "in the event a gear up landing must be made, select the longest, hard surface runway available." The rationale is a) friction as the other poster said but also the possibility of rocks, ridges, digging a wing tip, digging part of the gear/doors if they are hanging out, etc.

If it was an intentional / emergency gear-up - guy did a pretty good job. I would think it must have been - there is no way you can ignore that horn (I speak from C177 and C210 experience) even with whatever noise cancelling headsets, you might have on. Like the fire warning in the 'van.. although it is a little less obtrusive.

I suppose if they could be so dim as to have an MP3 playing through the aircraft intercom system - between that, a NC headset and their chatter they could miss it... but I still think it is unlikely. It is awfully loud.

Then - the last frame(s) have the pilot tapping the dash - could be a "well done, girl" kind of tap or a "i can't believe it did that" kind of tap.

All in all - I have no concrete verdict... (haha CONCRETE... get it?) but it is still a good video!

C-FABH · Post by **C-FABH** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:54 am

From the person who captured the video:

"There was a snow storm approaching in about an hour and we were doing a check ride. Because of possible ice, we had been flying with the gear down the entire time. We started doing touch and goes after a while. Habit when you take off is to raise the gear. This is what happened. So, when we come around, they were conversing and what not and simply forgot the gear was up. Just pilot error."

jjal · Post by **jjal** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:20 am

Because of possible ice, we had been flying with the gear down the entire time

Ice won't keep the gear from coming down. I've seen hydraulic pressure on a 210 that ripped one gear door apart and the other right off its hinges when they got jammed up good. (Birdstrike caved them in on themselves) At worst it might affect microswitches, but microswitches don't lock the gear down.

Furthermore, the 182 isn't certified for icing so if it was such a danger, why were they flying in the first place?

Habit when you take off is to raise the gear

Interesting the habit to raise the gear kicked in but the habit to lower the gear didn't.

On an aside, I am pretty suprised how far that bad boy slid down the runway. I'd have thought a small a/c like that would come to a halt pretty quickly.

bmc · Post by **bmc** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 3:43 am

[quote="jjal
On an aside, I am pretty suprised how far that bad boy slid down the runway. I'd have thought a small a/c like that would come to a halt pretty quickly.[/quote]

His reverse thrust was inop.

flyingsaucer · Post by **flyingsaucer** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:33 am

I do have experience on 210 182 a/c and don't know how it is possible to forget the gears with a such horn, the pilot must have been really distracted to do this.

Kilo-Kilo · Post by **Kilo-Kilo** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:23 pm

Especially when they claim it is a check ride. What was the PIC thinking and where the hell are the landing procedures? He is supposed to be ensuring this pilot is safe to fly the plane yet he overlooks the obvious as well.

Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:32 pm

I didn't know Seneca had any 182RG's ...

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:49 pm

Kilo-Kilo wrote:Especially when they claim it is a check ride. What was the PIC thinking and where the hell are the landing procedures? He is supposed to be ensuring this pilot is safe to fly the plane yet he overlooks the obvious as well.

A guy in YQG landed gear up on his multi ride. The story goes that the TC examiner said on final, "Well, you did well. All ya gotta do is land, and you pass." Then he put his head down to start filling out paper work, and a few seconds later- SCRAAAAPE! (This also could be urban legend, but I heard the story from a pretty reliable source.)

And Hedley, kudos. You beat Cat Driver to it!

-istp