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Pilot_adam
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Pilot_adam
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Yes, unfortunatly I can see it happening.The British hostages are just another drop of water in a bucket that's about to overflow. Iran's got plenty of oil too, and the fact that their leader has vowed to wipe Israel off the map doesn't help. If it does happen, it's gonna be even worse than Iraq. I wouldn't be surprised if a pre-emptive air strike against Iran's nuclear instalations is being seriously considered right now in the pentagon.
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corporate joe
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A war with Iran would have consequences most of us are not willing to accept. I truly hope it does not come to that. This one could directly affect our lives (more than what we are used to).
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I agree with you 100%, unfortunatly I think it is inevitable as well and the fallout will be felt by everyone not just with oil at $120.00 a barrel.....corporate joe wrote:A war with Iran would have consequences most of us are not willing to accept. I truly hope it does not come to that. This one could directly affect our lives (more than what we are used to).
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I think that if the Democrats have a strong contender emerging in the next 6-8 months, we will see an increase in "Terrorist Chatter" intercepted messgaes, etc supporting a need to take action.
Once actively engaged in war, changing a president will be difficult.
Iran will be tied to the 2008 election in some form. No urgency to do anything drastic just yet. They do not have nuclear capability yet and there's no way in hell Iran can do any damage to anyone. They're surrounded and they know it. I find it very doubtful they will throw the first punch. They have nothing to win. They can rattle chains all they want and continue to make outragious statements. That's all it will amount to.
Do any of you remember being told that Iraq was within 45 minutes of attacking US allies? They had all kinds of weapons of mass destruction. They were tied to AlQaida. This is different how?
Once actively engaged in war, changing a president will be difficult.
Iran will be tied to the 2008 election in some form. No urgency to do anything drastic just yet. They do not have nuclear capability yet and there's no way in hell Iran can do any damage to anyone. They're surrounded and they know it. I find it very doubtful they will throw the first punch. They have nothing to win. They can rattle chains all they want and continue to make outragious statements. That's all it will amount to.
Do any of you remember being told that Iraq was within 45 minutes of attacking US allies? They had all kinds of weapons of mass destruction. They were tied to AlQaida. This is different how?
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Dust Devil
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True, and the moron has invaded countries for less. Stay tuned.Dust Devil wrote:They have already thrown the first punch just as Lebanon did. Hopefully they are delt with swifty before they do have a nuclear capability.bmc wrote:I find it very doubtful they will throw the first punch.
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corporate joe
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Send the Israeli like they did in 1981 with Irak 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osirak
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osirak
The Israeli Air Force launched a strike with eight F-16 multi-role fighters and six F-15s for escorts, which flew from Etzion air base....The strike force flew 680 miles (1,100 km) across Jordan, Saudi Arabia and into Iraq to bomb the target. Arriving at around 17:30, the strike force quickly destroyed the reactor site and returned safely to Israel.
It would be nice if people would take the time to get facts about oil production and exportation from organizations like OPEC or the like.
I'm very sorry to break anyone's preconceived "bubble" about Canada, BUT we do NOT import ONE drop of oil from the Middle East or from Iran. We serve ourselves with our own product wast of the Great Lakes. From that point eastwards, we import our oil from Venezuela and have for decades. So you can all tell the "camel humpers" to stick it where ir where the sun don't shine. concerning their oil threats.
Ahhhhh now the US. They can't get oil from the Middle East and and their country goes all to Hell. I mean, just what in the hell does Haliburton Oil do now eh? The fact of the matter is that over 30% of US imported oil comes from south over the Rio Grande - Mexican State Oil. They get approximately the same amount (minutely less) from north of the 49th parallel.......that's us folks......take a bow. Seventeen percent comes from Nigeria and a smaller percentage from the South Pacific. They import approximately 13% of their crude oils from the Middle East and that percentage is falling yearly. Hurt a bit? Of course, but they can always crank-up a bit more in Mexico and Canada to help them out. They wouldn't need that help right away of cource because the Americans are far smarter than the rest of us in the western world. They have something called "The Strategic Reserve" which is a 4 month supply of all the oil and oil products that they might ever need for anything. During that period they rely on nobody for oil of any kind for their military or to run the nation.
By the same token, if Iran, Saudi Arabia and the rest of Middle East oil-producing countries don't ship their crude oils to either Euroe, the US or Canada for refining.........they can't get them refined into usuable products for themselves either. That's because there are only a handful of refineries in the whole of the Middle EAST AND they owe their existance to foreign monies and the foreign personnel who operate them.
If there is a war, Canada's oil will undoubtedly increase because it's on the international stock markets and moves up and down at the whim of international investors. It WILL NOT move up or down based on how badly Canada needs Iranian oil because we don't need it. The 2nd largest known oil reserves in the world are now situated in the tar sands of northern Alberta. So rest easy driving your Mustangs and Cameros, you got more to fear from Alberta than Tehran.
I'm very sorry to break anyone's preconceived "bubble" about Canada, BUT we do NOT import ONE drop of oil from the Middle East or from Iran. We serve ourselves with our own product wast of the Great Lakes. From that point eastwards, we import our oil from Venezuela and have for decades. So you can all tell the "camel humpers" to stick it where ir where the sun don't shine. concerning their oil threats.
Ahhhhh now the US. They can't get oil from the Middle East and and their country goes all to Hell. I mean, just what in the hell does Haliburton Oil do now eh? The fact of the matter is that over 30% of US imported oil comes from south over the Rio Grande - Mexican State Oil. They get approximately the same amount (minutely less) from north of the 49th parallel.......that's us folks......take a bow. Seventeen percent comes from Nigeria and a smaller percentage from the South Pacific. They import approximately 13% of their crude oils from the Middle East and that percentage is falling yearly. Hurt a bit? Of course, but they can always crank-up a bit more in Mexico and Canada to help them out. They wouldn't need that help right away of cource because the Americans are far smarter than the rest of us in the western world. They have something called "The Strategic Reserve" which is a 4 month supply of all the oil and oil products that they might ever need for anything. During that period they rely on nobody for oil of any kind for their military or to run the nation.
By the same token, if Iran, Saudi Arabia and the rest of Middle East oil-producing countries don't ship their crude oils to either Euroe, the US or Canada for refining.........they can't get them refined into usuable products for themselves either. That's because there are only a handful of refineries in the whole of the Middle EAST AND they owe their existance to foreign monies and the foreign personnel who operate them.
If there is a war, Canada's oil will undoubtedly increase because it's on the international stock markets and moves up and down at the whim of international investors. It WILL NOT move up or down based on how badly Canada needs Iranian oil because we don't need it. The 2nd largest known oil reserves in the world are now situated in the tar sands of northern Alberta. So rest easy driving your Mustangs and Cameros, you got more to fear from Alberta than Tehran.
LH is close with the top oil suppliers to the US, except that Canada has the top spot with Saudi Arabia in second.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petr ... mport.html
As LH points out though, if Iran decides to cut off their oil shipments, the US can out last them thanks to those massive oil supplies. Or if sanctions are imposed, the US won't be affected.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petr ... mport.html
As LH points out though, if Iran decides to cut off their oil shipments, the US can out last them thanks to those massive oil supplies. Or if sanctions are imposed, the US won't be affected.
You ever think that Iran kidnapped those British Marines to provoke the west into war? I mean, its quite clear that western citizens are growing weary of war with the middle east. maybe they want the US to strike their Nuclear facilities, so that more people will join there hatemongering ways and more terrorists will hit Isael and the US.
ofcourse Im pulling all of this from my ass, but if you guys are just allowed to make up shit like staged attacks and conspiracy theories, why cant I
floats
ofcourse Im pulling all of this from my ass, but if you guys are just allowed to make up shit like staged attacks and conspiracy theories, why cant I
floats
goates ------- I stand corrected and that must have just changed because I note that Saudi Arabia is just ahead of Mexico by a fraction.
Also take note (most don't) that the numbers you are reading are for the total IMPORTED..........not the total of ALL crude oil used by the US. Their own peoduction is substantial also.
You can bet that Alberta and the tar sands folks would love nothing better than to have Iran cut the rest of the world off of oil, specially the US and Britain.
Floates----------GW Bush has done some real stupid and bone-headed things to date, but if you think that he's going to formulate some plan to attack anyone else right now, then you haven't been reading his approval ratings have you? He's lower that Richard Nixon was on his worse day and his problems at home are worsening all the time. Secondly, he's stretched too thin and doesn't have the personnel. As it stands he's pulling all sorts of tricks outta his hat to keep those in the Services that want to get out. They've now lost over 2300 in Iraq and another 50,000+ wounded, so Tony Blair is going to have to handle this 'baby' on his own.
Also take note (most don't) that the numbers you are reading are for the total IMPORTED..........not the total of ALL crude oil used by the US. Their own peoduction is substantial also.
You can bet that Alberta and the tar sands folks would love nothing better than to have Iran cut the rest of the world off of oil, specially the US and Britain.
Floates----------GW Bush has done some real stupid and bone-headed things to date, but if you think that he's going to formulate some plan to attack anyone else right now, then you haven't been reading his approval ratings have you? He's lower that Richard Nixon was on his worse day and his problems at home are worsening all the time. Secondly, he's stretched too thin and doesn't have the personnel. As it stands he's pulling all sorts of tricks outta his hat to keep those in the Services that want to get out. They've now lost over 2300 in Iraq and another 50,000+ wounded, so Tony Blair is going to have to handle this 'baby' on his own.
People speak of “the military option” against Iran as if it consists only of a massive ground invasion, huge air attacks and an occupation like Iraq. Nonsense. There are many options.
One sensible solution to this situation is for the Brits to blockade the Iranian ports. This would starve them of the imports that they need and the cash from their only viable export, oil. Sure, the West would "suffer" from higher oil prices but it is an absolute guarantee that the Iranians would suffer many many times more.
Maybe it's just the way it's been reported in the press, but there seems to be certain nihilism in the Iranian approach to everything they say or do these days. We keep searching for the point, the purpose behind their nuclear ambitions, their meddling in Iraq, Lebanon, blowing up community centers in Argentina, holding a holocaust denial conference, suggesting Israel should be wiped off the map and this latest hostage taking. None of it seems beneficial to Iran, either in the short or the long run. LH is probably right…we’re dealing with 9th graders.
One sensible solution to this situation is for the Brits to blockade the Iranian ports. This would starve them of the imports that they need and the cash from their only viable export, oil. Sure, the West would "suffer" from higher oil prices but it is an absolute guarantee that the Iranians would suffer many many times more.
Maybe it's just the way it's been reported in the press, but there seems to be certain nihilism in the Iranian approach to everything they say or do these days. We keep searching for the point, the purpose behind their nuclear ambitions, their meddling in Iraq, Lebanon, blowing up community centers in Argentina, holding a holocaust denial conference, suggesting Israel should be wiped off the map and this latest hostage taking. None of it seems beneficial to Iran, either in the short or the long run. LH is probably right…we’re dealing with 9th graders.
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mellow_pilot
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People speak of countries as if everyone within the borders of said nation feel the same way. I doubt most Iranians feel that a war is to their benefit.
Just like most Americans don't want war now.
Leaders ignore the wishes of the population and contrive circumstances which make armed conflict inevitable. I hope Canada doesn't get dragged into this one, as those near and dear to me will be sent.
I think it can be solved without ground troops.
Just like most Americans don't want war now.
Leaders ignore the wishes of the population and contrive circumstances which make armed conflict inevitable. I hope Canada doesn't get dragged into this one, as those near and dear to me will be sent.
I think it can be solved without ground troops.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this Radical Islam at work once again?
Is the 70% of all Global conflicts stat too high?
Is the 70% of all Global conflicts stat too high?
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mellow_pilot
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What about radical Christianity?
You're falling dangerously close to painting all with the same brush there Haz. I don't think that the particular form of religion is to blame. Extreme religiousness is more of a symptom than a cause. It's a tool used to make a product.
You're falling dangerously close to painting all with the same brush there Haz. I don't think that the particular form of religion is to blame. Extreme religiousness is more of a symptom than a cause. It's a tool used to make a product.
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