Bomb kills 6 Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan

[Dash-Ate]

Terrible. What an Easter for the families . Let's bring them all home to defend our BORDERS. Especially seeing as our border guards don't even have guns. What a concept.
Their blood is on harper's and bush's hands. Let's see them cry crocodile tears now.


Bomb kills 6 Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan
Last Updated: Sunday, April 8, 2007 | 4:46 PM ET
CBC News

A roadside bomb killed six soldiers and injured two others in an armoured vehicle west of Kandahar City on Sunday, resulting in the worst single-day loss of life for Canadian Forces in Afghanistan, military officials said.

The LAV III hit an "improvised explosive device" around 1:30 p.m. local time, Col. Mike Cessford, deputy commander of Task Force Afghanistan, told reporters at Kandahar air base.


Col. Mike Cessford, deputy commander of Task Force Afghanistan, announced in Kandahar Sunday that six Canadian soldiers were killed in a roadside bomb explosion and two soldiers were wounded, one seriously.
(John Cotter/Canadian Press)

Earlier, Prime Minister Stephen Harper confirmed the deaths as he spoke to a shocked crowd of dignitaries and veterans in Lille, France, where he was attending a dinner to mark the 90th anniversary of the Battle of Vimy Ridge.

"Sadly today has been a difficult day in Afghanistan," Harper said. "We've learned that an incident has claimed the lives of six Canadian soldiers and injured a number of others."

[Scuba_Steve]

Dude keep the political tripe out of it...this isn't the place to be bashing bush/harper - start another thread.

show some respect I garentee they wanted to be there.

Condolances to the families and the forces as a whole.

[the_professor]

Terrible. What an Easter for the families . Let's bring them all home to defend our BORDERS. Especially seeing as our border guards don't even have guns. What a concept.
Their blood is on harper's and bush's hands. Let's see them cry crocodile tears now.

Don't get Bush's personal crusade in Iraq mixed up with the reasons for why we (and many other peace-loving nations) are in Afghanistan. They are two completely different situations. We should be in Afghanistan. They should not be in Iraq.

[Dash-Ate]

Why should we be in Afghanistan? How does that help Canada? Or are US and Canada just a big charity that likes spending our tax $$ to "liberate" countries (but only those countries that have valuable natural resources or drugs)? Tell me the strategic importance of a country that has next to no electricity, that Russia pulled out of. How does that help us here in Canada?

Simple question. This is my thread. Don;t tell me that the rest of Canada is not asking this same thing.

Harper is a mass murderer. Full stop.

[the_professor]

Harper is a mass murderer. Full stop.

You are a fucking moron.

[Dash-Ate]

Dude keep the political tripe out of it...this isn't the place to be bashing bush/harper - start another thread.

show some respect I garentee they wanted to be there.

Condolances to the families and the forces as a whole.

Steve you insult their deaths by calling it political tripe. If I want to blame their deaths on harper and his policies and to bring them home (as do the majority of Canadians, as do most Americans with their own Vietnam #2) how is that politics?

It is life and death! Right now we have death. I want life. If that meakes me evil then so be it.

[Dash-Ate]

Harper is a mass murderer. Full stop.

You are a fucking moron.

the professor can you expand a bit on your wonderful thoughts? He has led dozens into their deaths. I stand by that. What can Canada do that Russia could not do in afghanistan? Tel me how we will "succeed". Right now it is a suicide mission. Slow bleed.

The sooner we get out into the streets and protest this, the better.

Tell me your grand plan for afghanistan, how a few guys with guns can change millions of years of culture and life. Unless your goal is to just occupy it?

[Scuba_Steve]

Hey Dash, Jack layton called, the capitualtionists are meeting in toronto somewhere go hang with them..

[the_professor]

Something needed to be done to disrupt al Queda after two embassy attacks, the USS Cole, two attacks against the WTC, etc.

Are we going to leave Afghanistan in a Canada-like utopia with values and laws that mirror ours. No. Not a chance. It will always be screwed up. Would it have been better to have left the Taliban untouched?

Chretien sent us to Afghanistan, and Harper has correctly decided to keep us there. Do you know how many other countries are participating? Do you think all of these countries are puppets of the US? Give your head a shake.

Belgium 616
Bulgaria 37
Canada 992
Czech Republic 17
Denmark 122
Estonia 10
France 742
Germany 1816
Greece 171
Hungary 159
Iceland 20
Italy 506
Latvia 9
Lithuania 9
Luxemburg 10
Netherlands 311
Norway 313
Poland 5
Portugal 21
Romania 72
Slovakia 16
Slovenia 27
Spain 551
Turkey 825
United Kingdom 461
United States 89
Partner Nations
Albania 22
Austria 3
Azerbaijan 22
Croatia 45
Finland 61
former Yougoslov Republic of Macedonia (1) 20
Ireland 10
Sweden 85
Switzerland 4
Non-NATO / Non-EAPC nations
New Zealand

[The Other Kind]

The Afghanistan war started as a result of 9/11. Harper was no where near the PM's office when our troops were committed to this cause. That being said, it is a just war, unlike the mess in Iraq. Anyone who lays blame on Harper for Afghanistan is simply using the war and the deaths of our soldiers to bolster their political opinion - and THAT is what insults those that are laying it all on the line over there.

Dash-Ate, you should be ashamed.

[Siddley Hawker]

The kid on the front end loader holding the shovel, next to the Afghani guy, is my nephew. You attempt at brownie political points on the death of six of his brothers in arms is fucking disgusting.

[Crazymax]

Why should we be in Afghanistan?

Just look at what we've done over there... How different it is from when Talibans were running the country.... That'll give you an answer.

Or are US and Canada just a big charity that likes spending our tax $$ to "liberate" countries (but only those countries that have valuable natural resources or drugs)? Tell me the strategic importance of a country that has next to no electricity, that Russia pulled out of. How does that help us here in Canada?

Last time I checked, we are in NATO and UN. Both endorse the operations in Afghanistan. It's our responsability (as a member of NATO and UN) to go out and help out. Check the reason of being of NATO and UN and you'll have an answer to your question.

Simple question. This is my thread. Don;t tell me that the rest of Canada is not asking this same thing.

I certainly don't think like you and I totally support the operations in Afghanistan. I don't know any of my buddies in the Forces that don't want to be where they are.

Harper is a mass murderer. Full stop.

You are a moron.

Max

[swede]

If Harper were in power in 2003 we would have been in Afghanistan and Iraq. What are we accomplishing there, terrorism has not been stemmed one bit, it has simply increased their resolve and hatred for the west. We need our guys out of that hell hole and we need to protect our own borders and sovereignty. If they want to bring terrorism here than we will have to deal with it when and if that happens. That is a big if and not worth the cost of this war. Our and nato presence there will change nothing. The following report correctly describes both Iraq and Afghanistan missions as a shambles, they were failures from the outset based on skewed intelligence and outright lies.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/mid ... 432462.ece

[Crazymax]

If Harper were in power in 2003 we would have been in Afghanistan and Iraq. What are we accomplishing there, terrorism has not been stemmed one bit, it has simply increased their resolve and hatred for the west. We need our guys out of that hell hole and we need to protect our own borders and sovereignty. If they want to bring terrorism here than we will have to deal with it when and if that happens. That is a big if and not worth the cost of this war. Our and nato presence there will change nothing. The following report correctly describes both Iraq and Afghanistan missions as a shambles, they were failures from the outset based on skewed intelligence and outright lies.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/mid ... 432462.ece

So, girls and women going to school is nothing for you... That,s only one (very important I think) of the many things we have done over there. Don't mix Afghanistan and Iraq together. It's not the same conflict.

Max

[invertedattitude]

Just want to add to this myself...

Dash-Ate, people are calling you a moron, I don't know if that's true...

Do you fall in line with all the hippie peace world loving nitwits who think we can ignore terrorism and it will go away? Yes I think so.

Let's have some Jihadist come and blow up some member of your family and we'll see how your opinion changes on the subject, not that I wish that on you, but I think you're suffering from the "world apart" syndrome most people do.

If there's anyone in this world I can't stand it's narrow-minded hippies. Don't use the honored deaths of my countrymen as a platform to spout off on your hippie crap.

[taxiway_matthew]

DashAte you are by far the dumbest POS to write on this boards.

Harper is a mass murderer.

Liberals sent teh CF to Afghanistan 1st of all. Secondly, the Taliban are true mass murderers, and if you want to let them run free and pull our troops out, well then you're the real murderer by allowing a terrorist regime to exist.

You say Afghanistan doesn't affect us. Well let me ask you this. WHen did Nazi Germany affect us? It affected us as much as Afghanistan did. Do you believe Canada fighting in WWII was wrong? If you did, I hope they enact conscription and the Taliban f*** you up. I would gladly hold my trigger for that.

I leave you all with this

[mcrit]

Dash-Ate:
I can see where you are coming from, to a point. Hearing about our guys getting killed in a remote place can really make you question what we are doing there. Does the mission serve any purpose?
The answer to the last question is yes. Our presence in Afganistan is denying the enemy a base of operations. It's denying the enemy resources. It is helping to ensure that your granddaughters aren't forced to wear berkas (sorry if I spelled that wrong). The mission in Afganistan is part on an effort to deal with a real and long term threat to Canada and its values.

[oldenoughtoknowbetter]

oldenoughtoknowbetter wrote:
Indeed a great idea to honour and remember our forces past and present.

Personally, I have a son that continues to serve this great country. I wonder as an aviator as I'm sure many of you do - just how different our perspective would be had we been born into the WWII era....... how many of us would have the "mustard" so to speak, to meet the challenges associated with avaition combat?

I like to think we'd all join together and lay our petty differences aside for the common good. My experience even in civil aviation has demonstrated the existance of a very tight knit, proffessional group of individuals. I think it goes without saying that if push came to shove, our current CAF members would be joined by each and every one of us if the need arose.

Be safe keeping the peace brothers.....we are forever grateful


Thank you Grimey for the bump - I had no idea the other thread existed. I hereby withdraw my comments above regarding what I believed to be a "brotherhood" within the aviation field. Words cannot, nor will ever describe my sheer disappointment in so many.......I truly can't believe what I read.

Never have I been so humiliated to call myself part of this sector, and at the same time a Canadian......I'm afraid attitudes expressed are a dismal example of just how pathetic the synergies have become in this country. Truly, truly pathetic.......again, beyond words!!

FWIW to ALL Canadians Forces personel - there are still a few of that DO care and appreciate your valour!

[Nark]

Dash-Ate

Why don't you come play with me for a day? We'll see how big your balls are then.

I'm honestly surprised you're still alive. By your sense of reasoning, you're a reactive person, not proactive. Those clouds with forcasted ice in them, stay away from.

[oldenoughtoknowbetter]

After a re-read of the thread with lower blood pressure, it is clear "Dash-Ate" & "swede" are the focus of the bleeding heart mentality that draws my ire.

Many other great posts in support of our troups and our worthy cause - THANK YOU for that!

To Dash-Ate & swede.......well, let's just say that the day I'd need to call on you two as "wing men" - in simple terms, you'd NEVER get the call! Rest easy behind Jack's skirt!

[xsbank]

I think its a terrible sad day for Canada and for all decent civilized persons. The death of our soldiers is a terrible thing, especially as it seems they have died at the hands of scum.

I support our troops and mourn their deaths - they go where they are ordered and sacrifice their lives for their country. I just wish that someone would order them all to come home and they could stop dying in some sad foreign land.

Its not reasonable to attack those of us who just don't believe the political bullshit and equate it to not supporting our troops. Wanting our citizens to come home and stop dying so far away is a legitimate desire. I just don't understand the price of whatever it is they are trying to do.

I am offended that you don't think I am profoundly affected by their sacrifices.

[Mr. North]

Are we prepared for more losses? At what point does "sending women to school" cost too much in terms of Canadian lives and the health of our own military establishment. The CF is already stretched thin as is.

We must remember, Afghanistan has been in a constant state of war since 1978. This is the same insurgency which, over 9 years, defeated the Russian 40th Army inflicting a cost of 14,000 men. This long and bloody struggle created an entire generation of Afghanis who know nothing but the savagery of guerrilla war. We should not underestimate their tenacity.

It's my opinion that this theatre of war requires more then a small, modern force and our collective good will. I somehow get the impression that this is a "sideline" war; that people expect it to be over rather soon.

That is hardly the case. We should all read more history books. If NATO isn't careful, Afghanistan could turn into a very big quagmire if it hasn't already. In addition, I don't see any "Plan B's" should this situation spin out of control. ...and that lack of a plan I fear is what will cost Canada the most.

[bob sacamano]

They send kids to foreign countries to get killed.

Yet they open up the gates here and let every terrorist and terrorist sympathizer in the country.

RIP.

[...]

The kid on the front end loader holding the shovel, next to the Afghani guy, is my nephew. You attempt at brownie political points on the death of six of his brothers in arms is fucking disgusting.

Here here.

[Crazymax]

Are we prepared for more losses? At what point does "sending women to school" cost too much in terms of Canadian lives and the health of our own military establishment. The CF is already stretched thin as is.

As I saird, this is much more than sending women to school. Read about it and you'll see by yourself. I see you are not really informed on what's going on over there...

Max