More media fear mongering around climate change

[corporate joe]

Here's my link to 9,390,000 pages about Global Cooling:

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=glo ... ling&meta=

Jeebus... if you're going to have an arguement based on search engine results (which is retarded, CJ...), at least do it right:

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?la ... al+cooling

(Global warming wins 7:1, roughly, not that this matters)

Thank you for that. You are right, an argument on search engines is retarded. The object of the first link was to give the reader the choice of the source he wanted to use for the news being brought (google news groups, not just google search). We all know different media outlets have different political views, and that tends to affect the way the story is brought out; what's neat with the google news link I posted is the possibility of reading the same event from different sources around the world (from CNN to independent outlets).


p.s.: that ratio is actually biased because of the links that have the words "global cooling" in them, you will notice that the majority of them say that global cooling is a fallacy. So even though there is a 7 to 1 ratio of the words "global cooling" vs "global warming" the ratio of websites that claim that global warming is man made, vs the ratio of websites that claim that global cooling is happening (and not that it's bs), is much much higher. But like you said, that doesn't matter.

[corporate joe]

More evidence of "global warming":

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WEATHER/04/10/f ... index.html

I think Hedley is the perfect cliche for the global warming denier. How many times has it been explained by how many different readers, using how many different arguments that you can not base global warming (or cooling) on individual weather patterns. How many people have tried explaining to Hedley the difference between weather and climate, and mean earth temperature vs local temperatures?

The answer is: it doesn't matter how many times this stuff is explained, or how many clear arguments and gathered data and facts are brought. Some people will not, no matter what is said or done, take responsibility for their actions, own up to the consequences of their egotistical lives and actions and absolutely refuse to consider the world around them and question the validity of their positions. They are comfortable in their pre-made judgments, their simplified reality and their convenient categories, and nothing is bringing them out of their torpor.

Reason is not a weapon that affects everyone.

[Hedley]

I saw a commercial on TV a couple nights ago - it pronounced that the seal hunt was the cause of global warming. Or maybe that global warming was the cause of the seal hunt. I forget. What was clear what that there was plenty of propaganda being spread around, much like fertilizer.

Where I am, it's gotta be the coldest spring I can remember. Darn near the middle of april, and it was snowing here today again in eastern ontario. It's below freezing every night and every morning. An incredibly cold and miserable easter weekend.

The next idiot that flounces up to me and lectures me on the dangers of global warming gets a kick to the nuts.

[swede]

Western Canada has also had one of the coldest drawn out springs on record. Al Gore - Kiss my ass..go reinvent the internet

[the_professor]

Last year the "experts" used their computer models to predict "one of the most active hurricane seaons on record" for the US. What better way to incite fear and guarantee funding for hurricane research, especially when the memories of Katrina were fresh in people's minds.

Not a single named storm ended up making landfall in the US. Fear mongering.

The other day, the climatologists unveiled their predictions for this year. Anyone want to take bets on how accurate they'll be this time around?

Oh, and by the way, those computer models they're using, which allegedly mimic the behaviour of the atmosphere? Isn't that the same approach being used to foretell all the supposedly crazy things that will happen because of "man-made" global warming?

Hurricanes, rising sea levels, heat-baked crops.... It's all part of the Next Big Crisis folks, which is a blank cheque for the media and environmentalists.

[ocnek]

And to add more tinfoil to your hats:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... mate10.xml

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[Hedley]

Heh - the UN.

"Food for Oil", anyone?

[corporate joe]

And to add more tinfoil to your hats:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... mate10.xml

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WTF??

"UN downgrades man's impact on the climate
Richard Gray, Science Correspondent, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 1:37am GMT 11/12/2006

"Mankind has had less effect on global warming than previously supposed, a United Nations report on climate change will claim next year.

The UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change says there can be little doubt that humans are responsible for warming the planet, but the organisation has reduced its overall estimate of this effect by 25 per cent."

"Scientists insist that the lower estimates for sea levels and the human impact on global warming are simply a refinement due to better data on how climate works rather than a reduction in the risk posed by global warming."
"Large amounts of heat have been absorbed by the oceans, masking the warming effect.

Prof Rick Battarbee, the director of the Environmental Change Research Centre at University College London, warned these masking effects had helped to delay global warming but would lead to larger changes in the future.

He said: "The oceans have been acting like giant storage heaters by trapping heat and carbon dioxide. They might be bit of a time-bomb as they have been masking the real effects of the carbon dioxide we have been releasing into the atmosphere."

Remember to read the whole article and not just remember the parts that suit your beliefs.

[Guido]

Climate change theory or the odds for betting on roulette tables... Which is more predictable? I'm guessing the odds for roulette.

"guess" being the operative word in that sentence. you really have no idea.

[corporate joe]

Remember to read the whole article and not just remember the parts that suit your beliefs.

Thanks for the lecture.

My point was that the UN just released their much balleyhooed report mere weeks ago, and now they're already alerting people that revisions (on the order of a 25% difference in some forecasts) are on the way.

If that isn't a sign of a science in its infancy, then I don't know what is.

Climate change theory or the odds for betting on roulette tables... Which is more predictable? I'm guessing the odds for roulette.

Check the date of the article, check the release date of the IPCC report.

The debate is not whether or not global warming is man made. The debate is how much time we have to correct it before the point of no return.

EDIT: Also, another thing to consider is that for the IPCC report to be accepted as unanimous by scientists, business and governments, the wording has to be very careful. A lot of words used by the scientists like "catastrophe" were not approved by countries like China. Scientists had to tone down the terms they used to get some countries and business to give their support and to reach international unanimity for the report to come out. Many scientists were angered by that, and left slamming the door vowing to not participate in another IPCC report, claiming that this is still too much of a political game, rather than a rallying cry for the whole to wake up and take action before it's too late.

[Dust Devil]

This stuff just keeps going back and forth. On the bright side the more my gas guzzling truck gets broken in the better my fuel economy is getting. just a few weeks ago I was averaging 22/l per 100km now it's down to 14.5/l per 100km. That's also figuring in the winter idling factor.

[corporate joe]

This stuff just keeps going back and forth. On the bright side the more my gas guzzling truck gets broken in the better my fuel economy is getting. just a few weeks ago I was averaging 22/l per 100km now it's down to 14.5/l per 100km. That's also figuring in the winter idling factor.

Ah yes; It's all about you, your truck and your comfort isn't it?

[Dust Devil]

This stuff just keeps going back and forth. On the bright side the more my gas guzzling truck gets broken in the better my fuel economy is getting. just a few weeks ago I was averaging 22/l per 100km now it's down to 14.5/l per 100km. That's also figuring in the winter idling factor.

Ah yes; It's all about you, your truck and your comfort isn't it?

hells ya

[swede]

This stuff just keeps going back and forth. On the bright side the more my gas guzzling truck gets broken in the better my fuel economy is getting. just a few weeks ago I was averaging 22/l per 100km now it's down to 14.5/l per 100km. That's also figuring in the winter idling factor.

Ah yes; It's all about you, your truck and your comfort isn't it?

hells ya

HEY, you keep that up and I'll report you to the Right (sorry - I meant left) Reverend Al Gore's thought police, then you'll be sorry..

[Captain Slog]

Ah... the gathering of great minds, right here in this post, all patting each other on the back, each one more qualified than the other on this topic, with credentials far exceeding everyone else's. Their arguments show a complete understanding of the situation and their clairvoyance shields them from all the fake arguments and studies that all of this world's greatest scientists have found. Immune to denial, their position is based on reason, fact and knowledge unlike the rest of the world who bases it's theories on world wide conspiracies and opinions. It's great to see that they all agree on this topic, and it's also wonderful to read their enlightened positions on many other topics as they show constance for making intelligent interventions.

In case you are sarcasm impaired, the above is a polite way (politest I can muster) of telling you how relieved I am that the survival of our species does not depend on the dim-witted who choose their sides in a debate according to inherited beliefs rather than gathered information. The major argument for alienating global warming? Not understanding it! Ah yes, the great human minds who alienate everything they don't understand without educating themselves on the subject first. Reminds me of certain extremist groups... It's quite interesting to notice the similitudes in reasoning (or lack of) here.

It is with great pleasure that I announce to you that just a few hours ago the newest report from the IPCC claims that all the models of global warming were too conservative, and they are urging for even stronger measures. Again, we have scientific consensus and this time around there is even more proof, raising the certainty bar that man is the cause global warming above 95%. As time passes, denial is becoming more and more difficult (for those blessed with reason of course). For others, I smile to myself knowing that you will feel even more isolated in your denial, and I look forward to seeing what other idiocies you can pull out of your asses to deepen the rational hole you have gotten yourselves into.

I suggest you stick together in your ignorance and continue to encourage yourselves as much as you can to maintain the energy to continue this denial, as it must be getting more and more difficult and tiring to manage to completely ignore the increasing number of undeniable F-A-C-T-S (just for you DD) surrounding you.

To support my above claims I offer this link to over 1000 articles clearly explaining the new findings. Please don't read them, because if you do, how are you going to continue living in your imaginary world filled with lefties and righties where everything is so simple and categorizable?

http://news.google.ca/?ncl=1114966083&hl=en

I followed your link to reveal "No related articles were found.".

I think that just about sums up your argument nicely.

[swede]

IMHO, in order to better understand the real motivation behind the global warming fear machine, one has to look into the background of one of its main promoters, namely Al Gore. Mr. Gore has some interesting ties to Armand Hammer, a famous communist and billionaire robber baron who learned to play both ends to the middle to an art form. Hammer bank rolled Gore Sr. and you can bet that Gore's communist leanings come from Hammer. You don't slap the hand that feeds you, especially when it's caviar. When one puts Gore's communist ideology, and he is dyed in the wool communist, into perspective, it becomes clear that this global warming hysteria is being used by him and the powers that be to implement George HW Bush's much vaunted new world order. Global warming is nothing more or less than a pretext for mass mind control and social engineering on a macro scale.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=14917

[grimey]

When one puts Gore's communist ideology, and he is dyed in the wool communist, into perspective, it becomes clear that this global warming hysteria is being used by him and the powers that be to implement George HW Bush's much vaunted new world order.

IT'S A CONSPIRACY!

(again)

[grimey]

My point was that the UN just released their much balleyhooed report mere weeks ago, and now they're already alerting people that revisions (on the order of a 25% difference in some forecasts) are on the way.

Check the date. The article predated the conference by months.

"UN downgrades man's impact on the climate
Richard Gray, Science Correspondent, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 1:37am GMT 11/12/2006

[corporate joe]

So, um... Global warming is a communist conspiracy orchestrated by Gore to implement George HW Bush's new world order.

And they let you people vote?

[swede]

Its called connect the dots. If I were jumping on a bandwagon, I would want to take a close look at who was driving the thing. Gore has gone to some lengths to cover up his and his old mans relationship with Hammer.

http://crm114.com/algore/hammer.html

[corporate joe]

http://www.answers.com/topic/11th-hour

Of course! It makes perfect sense now! And Di Caprio is one of them! He is in charge of raising an army of teenage girls with his new documentary and his rugged good looks!

All this time I was thinking that maybe we are affecting our environment with unrestricted industrialization and that our technology was finally catching up with us. I figured that if we have the capacity to blow the earth up over 700 times with the weapons we've built, we may also have the capacity to alter our climate. Then when scientists made thousands of studies to find out the truth about our impact on our environment, more studies and research than man has ever seen, and when the results were almost unanimous from all fields of study (not just climatology and weather) I should have known that it was all in fact a conspiracy from the communists, allying themselves with Bush to form a new world order.

Thankfully a few enlightened ones on this forum have opened my eyes to the truth, because unlike the rest of us, they see the world with clarity.
I will now read all their posts with a heightened interest, because if they are clever enough to see through the masquerade that modern science, the media, the business world and politicians are trying to make us swallow, then they must know of other truths we are all oblivious to.

Thank you for giving me the red pill, and not the blue one.

[Dust Devil]

http://www.answers.com/topic/11th-hour

Of course! It makes perfect sense now! And Di Caprio is one of them! He is in charge of raising an army of teenage girls with his new documentary and his rugged good looks!

All this time I was thinking that maybe we are affecting our environment with unrestricted industrialization and that our technology was finally catching up with us. I figured that if we have the capacity to blow the earth up over 700 times with the weapons we've built, we may also have the capacity to alter our climate. Then when scientists made thousands of studies to find out the truth about our impact on our environment, more studies and research than man has ever seen, and when the results were almost unanimous from all fields of study (not just climatology and weather) I should have known that it was all in fact a conspiracy from the communists, allying themselves with Bush to form a new world order.

Thankfully a few enlightened ones on this forum have opened my eyes to the truth, because unlike the rest of us, they see the world with clarity.
I will now read all their posts with a heightened interest, because if they are clever enough to see through the masquerade that modern science, the media, the business world and politicians are trying to make us swallow, then they must know of other truths we are all oblivious to.

Thank you for giving me the red pill, and not the blue one.

Glad to help

Cheers to ya

[swede]

double

[the original tony]

sorry, i have read most of this and sat quietly, now i just can't.
If anyone out there can honestly say there is no such thing as Global warming they shouldn't have the mental capacity to enter this website, or to even turn on the computer.
I don't care if it has been the coldest spring you can remember, or the most snow since the big blizzard of who the hell cares.
The real place this is taking affect is the where no one cares to look, except those stupid scientists. For the past 15 years i have taken trips to the arctic, each year less ice, warmer temperatures, earlier breakup, later freeze up, more repairs neede to the ice road for breaks.
Dead polar bears, and higher seal population sue to the lack of hunting ground. Even a few of the far northern communities have had flooding the past few times i have been there, you know how hard it is to sand bag when there aren't any to start with????
Not one indication of warming, as long as there is frost on your doorstep, it must still be cold, maybe the next ice age???
the eggheads just got it backwards. If you were to finally read a real book and understand it, the last time such warming occured, it led to the next iceage. funny how that happens, but yet it can't happen to us.
I agree that Canada is one of the least guilty countries, but still a player.
Everyone has to do something to help, believe it or not, it doesn't change the fact that this is happening, and is getting worse.
Ignorance is Bliss,

Tony

[2R]

http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder/editoria ... NewsID=188

I am shocked i will need to get a hummer or two and save the planet