Porter's USA Application stalled

Rockie · Post by **Rockie** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:18 pm

Localizer wrote:Rockie ... I answered your question, maybe I wasn't clear enough about it. But what I was getting at is that .. If Porter went down .. I don't think AC/Jazz would operate there at all.

I and pretty much everyone else agrees with you on that score Localizer. That's why no one has any patience for Jazz's complaints about Porter having most of the slots, and no one believes Jazz is remotely interested in serving the Island Airport.

bynaul · Post by **bynaul** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:35 pm

Rockie wrote:I can't be bothered searching on your behalf for the links to CTA rulings and the business plan for the TPA and Porter Airlines either Loc. Just wait and see how it all turns out I guess.

This link takes you to the CTA's search engine for rulings and orders.
http://search-recherche.gc.ca/cgi-bin/q ... en/rulings

Search for common market, slots, TCCA, Deluce, Porter, Pearson and Toronto City Centre Airport and the only page that links the two airports is in the ruling found here. It is in response to Air Canada's request for an interpretation of the term "discontinue".
http://www.cta-otc.gc.ca/rulings-decisi ... 006_e.html

It reads in part:
The Agency has considered the words "point", "area" and "community" in their grammatical and ordinary sense harmoniously with the overall scheme and purpose of the statutes in which they are used, as well as the intention of Parliament, and finds that the Toronto-Ottawa year-round non-stop scheduled air service offered by Air Canada is not being discontinued, given that Air Canada continues to offer a Toronto-Ottawa year-round non-stop scheduled air service to the community of Toronto with its service from the Toronto-Lester B. Pearson International Airport.

However, it's unclear what this has to do with Mr. Deluce or a ruling he secured from the CTA. There is no link to a CTA ruling or order that defines the TCCA and Pearson as a common market.

Rockie · Post by **Rockie** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 6:35 am

When I first learned of this quite some time ago, I was told by someone in a position to know. I scoured the CTA site as well looking for the actual ruling because I wanted to read the wording but wasn't able to find it either. I've tried several times since thinking they haven't got around to posting it but still no luck. Despite the ruling not being posted on the net, I don't doubt the accuracy of what I was told because of who told me. If it was not true, AC/Jazz would have grounds to challenge Porter's slot allocation and they are getting nowhere with that. To me that confirms RD has done his homework.

Stick-Shaker · Post by **Stick-Shaker** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:33 pm

Lets face it. Deluce is a smart business man. But he didn't see this coming. His business plan is now in trouble at TCCA. Competition is what he was trying to avoid and he may have no choice but to deal with it if he wants his slots in LGA and DC.

Stick-Shaker · Post by **Stick-Shaker** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:51 pm

pointyertoes wrote:
Localizer wrote:Stupido ... what kind of drugs does your psychiatrist have you on?

But if history repeats itself .. and usually it does .. we'll all be wearing the same uniform in the end.

Cheers,

Loc
Stupido's not on drugs. He's just a happy guy who's a pleasure to work with. I'm sure you wouldn't understand that given your work environment and your miserable demeanor. That's too bad, I feel sorry for you.

Oh, and I'll never go back to wearing a crappy AC issue polyester blend uniform, (pleated pants and all) after our tailored Italian suits.

...not to mention, I can't afford the pay cut.

What a riot!

I turned them down becuase of their crappy pay (72K) and 20K bond for a useless rating. You obviosuly have issues if you attempt to pass off your YYZ designed UNIFORM as a Versace. And besides, who cares.

AC offers flat front, Euro style fit now. You should have stuck around.

pointyertoes · Post by **pointyertoes** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:49 pm

Stick-Shaker wrote: I turned them down becuase of their crappy pay (72K) and 20K bond for a useless rating.

I assume you work for AC...

Stick-Shaker wrote: It is a great place to work, it just takes a while to get back to the salary level that you deserve. 2-3 years and its very reasonable.

Stick-Shaker wrote: I think it just went up a whopping $1700 to 39K!

I believe the last two quotes were regarding AC pay.

I sense a degree of hypocrisy there.

72k is starting pay. It will go up. Just like yours will.
I'm glad you turned us down.

Localizer · Post by **Localizer** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:06 pm

Pointyertoes ... Sorry your so naive ...

Cheers,

Loc

Stick-Shaker · Post by **Stick-Shaker** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:08 am

It will go up? Says who? Last time I checked Porter didn't have a pay scale beyond year 1. If you are correct, thats great.

stupido · Post by **stupido** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:43 am

Localizer wrote:

Pointyertoes ... Sorry your so naive ...

Cheers,

Loc

Posted: Employment forum – Bearskin - Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:40 pm

“My name is Localizer, and I'm an ass!”

mountaindog · Post by **mountaindog** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:18 pm

OK,
So let me get this straight, not only are you people arguing about who is working at a better company, but now we are arguing about who has the best uniform...is that correct.
You guys truely need to get a life, the whole damn bunch of you.
Some work here, some work there, who gives a shit, mind your own business, live and let live, and quit worrying about the other guy.
Let the suits who run these places worry about their business plans, as employees you have no other choice to go with the flow anyway or move the #$%@ on.
No bloody wonder this industry is so scabby, with this teenage schoolgirl nonsense going on.
For Christ sakes!

QBalls · Post by **QBalls** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:45 pm

pointyertoes wrote: I'm glad you turned us down.

I'm with you on that one Pointyertoes. Elvis / Stick-Shaker sounds like the quite the special person to work with. Q400 rating useless?

BTW it's not about who has the better uniform or who gets paid more or anything like that. All we are doing here is standing up for a truly great company that happens to be a fantastic place to work. I'm happier than a swine in the proverbial estuary working there.

p.s. For the record, Pointyertoes and Stupido are super guys to work with.

Localizer · Post by **Localizer** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 12:36 am

For the record, Pointyertoes and Stupido are super guys to work with.

Hmm .. Well they maybe super guys to work with, but you never said smart. So im going to assume that isn't on the table. You see if you truely think you are a smart person .. you wouldn't have to resort to profanity and display your limited intelligence like Stupido has done so tastefully.

Stupido ... since you are refering to the other thread ... if you don't know the details about that topic or the relationship between people who are arguing about something. Its better not to stick your nose in, because you have no clue what your talking about. But as mentioned before .. your not a smart guy so I don't expect you to catch on.

All we are doing here is standing up for a truly great company that happens to be a fantastic place to work. I'm happier than a swine in the proverbial estuary working there.

Are you also an owner of WestJet????

Cheers,

Loc

stupido · Post by **stupido** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 5:26 am

Stupido ... since you are refering to the other thread ... if you don't know the details about that topic or the relationship between people who are arguing about something. Its better not to stick your nose in, because you have no clue what your talking about. But as mentioned before .. your not a smart guy so I don't expect you to catch on.

BRAVO

: BRAVO

“My name is Localizer, and I'm an ass!”

Posted: Employment forum – Bearskin - Wed Mar 28, 2007 3:40 pm

mountaindog · Post by **mountaindog** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 8:23 am

Hey guys from Porter,

This asshole Loc from Jazz or maybe recently AC just never gives up with his not so subtle insults, so you might aswell not respond to Localizer@#$%nuts.

Localizer · Post by **Localizer** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 1:15 pm

Ahhhh ... Mountaindog ... I actually agreed with your last post ... but now I don't know what to think of you ... actually ... I don't think anything of anyone on here really. Its a bunch of nameless, faceless people bitching about what they think they know ... But it is fun, isn't it?

Stupido .. you were the little bastard in the sandbox weren't you .. the one that always got yelled at for throwing sand. (or eating it)

Stick-Shaker · Post by **Stick-Shaker** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 6:33 pm

mountaindog wrote:OK,
You guys truely need to get a life, the whole damn bunch of you.

dashx · Post by **dashx** » Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:03 pm

I am starting to see the 400's use more runway at the island and using Charlie. Are you guys saving the brakes? Or carrying more passengers?

Customs pulled out when Air Ontario shut down their Newark flight (Am I correct on that one???). It's only a matter of time before Customs is back. Maybe even next door to Druxy's??? Like in the old days? Then again since Porter kicked Druxy's out to have a coffee (?) bar they might even give Customs an office in their "refurbished" hangar......

I hear that two more 400's are in the works at Bombardier. Unfortunately there are other customers ahead of Porter. Again its just a matter of time.

I have to admit the F/A uniforms are not too bad.

The island used to be a quiet place with the odd Jazz flight. It used to wake us up. Now the endless drone of the 400. Thank G-d I don't have to listen to it anymore.

Clapped out -8's? Jazz has the honour of flying S/N 3. I wonder if that was ever a Norontair machine??

Stick-Shaker · Post by **Stick-Shaker** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:43 am

With the exception of LOC, the rest of you sound like a bunch of juveniles. If you all fly for Porter, I have to wonder are they running an airline, or a daycare?

My comment on the Q400 being a useless rating it is unless you want to leave for Asia. Ask yourself how many Q's operate in Canada other than Porter? So 20K for a rating is alot. The same situation applied to those pilots that lost 30K at Jetsgo for an MD/F100 rating. The difference is that at Porter you don't have to come up with the cash, but they own you for a few years. So I hope you like the work conditions. This is why I don't like bonds. But for some reason, we still line up to sign them.

But, as for Porter itself, I think its a great product and I hope it lasts.

Metro-Sexual · Post by **Metro-Sexual** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:08 pm

Last I heard it was a blanket type rating for all Dash 8's. So maybe not so useless especially with all the 100 and 300's around in Canada these days.

How good are the type rating that you get elsewhere? If things ever do go bad at AC how many guys are gonna get jobs in Canada with a EMB 175 -190 Type rating. Ask the guys who got laid off from AC that flew the RJ 100 how many got jobs in Canada especially on an RJ. Not many. I know a couple that went back to flying Bandits and King Airs. How many WJ guys will get 737 jobs (in Canada) if they ever get laid off.

Everyone would have to go to jobs that are not on the type your flying now. Will the jet time mean more than Q400 time? I don't know doesn't seem to make much difference at WJ or AC these days!!

The bond probably isn't a big issue for the Porter guys because most are in for the long haul and unlike Jetsgo they won't lose any money if Porter goes tits up. They'll just move on to the next job. Hopefully that won't have to happen. Being at AC may be less of a risk because if you do get laid off there will eventually be a call back no doubt. But nothing in aviation is ever guaranteed.

Bob Deluce seems to be a smart guy if he does sell out to AC then the Porter guys will still have jobs and with AC (or Jazz as it may be) with out ever having to answer if they ever wanted to be a florist.

Anyway here's to hoping that it works out for everyone no matter where you fly.

Best of luck to all the guys and gals at Porter.

Cheers
MS

EI-EIO · Post by **EI-EIO** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:33 pm

Horizon just ordered another batch of Q400s (they will be getting rid of the Q2s.) With the problems Flybe is encountering with their EMB190 deliveries I wonder if they and BBD offered a consideration to Porter to delay their deliveries, which given the LGA holdup might work out for them?

Also interesting that YHZ was Porter's first non-triangle stop - building a following for when Hizzoner and Adam Vaughan find a way to choke off the Island? (Pedestrianising the approach road is the latest idea I understand).

Valhalla · Post by **Valhalla** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:17 pm

[quote=" With the problems Flybe is encountering with their EMB190 deliveries I wonder if they and BBD offered a consideration to Porter to delay their deliveries, which given the LGA holdup might work out for them?]

Porter just accelerated the delivery schedule of the next two airplanes due to better than expected passenger demand. They are on the assembly line right now. Don't think you can convince any of the Q400 operators to give up their slot, especially not Porter.

dashx · Post by **dashx** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:01 pm

Horizon Air and Flybe Q400's seen at the midfield ramp at Pearson. Just flew in last week ......

EI-EIO · Post by **EI-EIO** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:55 am

Valhalla - interesting! Thanks for the info.