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you seem a bit confused..... I'm long out of school and am trying to pay it off. But there seems to be some sort of problem with OVER-paying?!Golden Flyer wrote:Northern Skies, were you woking at the time you applied for OSAP? I guess it depends on how much money you had aside, the number of hours you work per week and the amount you were receiving per hr. Of course, your parents income as well.
Sure. email me at: two@pittspecials.comHeadly can you PM me with how you want the stuff sent to you and does anyone have a list of all flight school e mails in Ont?
Here is TC's directory of flight training units.clunckdriver wrote: does anyone have a list of all flight school e mails in Ont?
I am writing to protest the latest exercise in bureaucratic wallpapering -- the inclusion of Flight Training Units already licensed and heavily regulated and supervised by Transport Canada under the Private Career Colleges Act.
In earning my Commercial and Glider Pilot licenses and Instrument Rating, I have always chosen small operations, usually at small rural airports although I took much of my Instrument instruction out of Pearson in the years when it was still reasonable to base light aircraft there.
My choice of smaller Flight Training Units is based on my getting better value for my hard earned money. It should also be noted that all of my instruction has been on a pay as you go basis.
As I am approaching retirement from the computer business, I am considering becoming a Flight Instructor as a way to keep my hand in flying and produce a modest income. To do this I would find a Flight Training Unit in need of instructors and take my Instructor training there before working for them for at least a flying season or so.
The onerous requirements and fee structures beginning with $10,000 simply to register with the province followed by thousands more per year will simply put most small airport FTUs out of the business of offering Commercial and Instructor instruction.
There is absolutely NO BENEFIT to aspiring Commercial and Instructor pilots, since by the time any pilot has obtained his first pilot license, he has become a knowledgeable consumer.
The real effect of this measure will be taking business from smaller operators who are in the business mostly because of their love for aviation to give it to large corporate operations in major centers. Unfortunately these operations are often a poor choice for students as they often end up spending something like $200 an hour sitting behind a number of other airplanes waiting for clearance as well as the higher fees required to operate in major centres.
We are both aware that many in the City of Toronto are complaining of traffic at the Island Airport -- this bureaucratic initiative will steer more traffic that way.
Just so you know we have already started talking to an airport in PQ as a fall back position should we not prevail in this fightCode: Select all
You have you compass set wrong. Go West. Way west. Money, people, and the right attitude. I sent emails. Hope it helps. As to civil disobedience. Not sure it will work in Canada. government will just pick out a sacrificial lamb, roast them publically, and all the other sheep will fall into line. I am sometimes embarrassed to admit I am Canadian, but this unfortunately,is the reality. Lastly, is there any legal option available for denying you the right to earn a living (charter argument, I believe). It will bring all the facts to light. My thoughts. Again, good luck.
Dear Minister Bentley:
I hope that I am not too late in the public consultation process for my voice to contribute to change.
It has come to my attention through an aviation industry public website that the MTCU plans to participate in oversight of all Flight Training Units in Ontario. Although an FTU which offers Commercial Pilot Licence training may meet the definition of providing a vocational program, I strongly urge the minister to exempt FTUs from provincial requirements.
Flight Training in Canada is overseen by Transport Canada. All FTUs are subject to inspections and audits by TC. All flight instructors must be examined by TC both initially, and periodically for renewal of the instructor qualification. Transport Canada's monitoring of flight instructors is much more thorough than the MTCU monitors instructors in colleges of applied arts and technology, or universities.
I understand the desire of the ministry to ensure that all vocational training in Ontario meets a minimum standard. As a citizen of Ontario, I am concerned that the duplication of the efforts of TC and MTCU will result in needless waste. As a professional pilot, I am concerned that MTCU's potential involvement in flight training will place undue burden on FTUs. I am also concerned that unless the MTCU is planning on hiring qualified pilots to participate in this program, they will not have a level of familiarity required to provide any benefit to the public.
Having served on the Board of Governors of a college of applied arts and technology in Ontario, I understand the role that the MTCU plays in quality assurance. My opinion as a professional pilot and qualified flight instructor is that the MTCU has no place regulating or monitoring flight training in Ontario. I therefore urge you, Minister, to exempt Flight Training Units from the requirements of the Private Career Colleges Act.
Yours sincerely,
[Stan_Cooper]
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