My vote for removing Doc as a moderator on this forum

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Thu May 03, 2007 12:50 pm

I vote to ban myself.

I waste too much time on here reading Doc's valuable posts. I should spend my time watching Dr. Phil and eating Cheetos.

-istp

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu May 03, 2007 2:56 pm

Quote:
Hey, you can run a 747 three times a day, as long as it's a native owned venture. Just "milk" the tax payers. Not that it would be a novel idea?

This post wrongly and offensively implies that First Nation people of Canada "milk" the tax payers. So who is going to remove Doc.

That is not racist it is reality.

The situation in Canada for Indians has always been a disgrase to humanity.

There are billions of dollars squandered between Government officials living off abject poverty on reserves and the in crowd on Indian reserves who have control of the money.

The whole Indian affairs issue differs only from the previous apartheid situation in South Africa is that South Africa no longer has that policy.

The Indian situation in Canada is a joke and wastes billions of taxpayers dollars to keep a segment of the population in misery.

By the way I am one and if you think my post is racist chu me.

happily.retired · Post by **happily.retired** » Thu May 03, 2007 3:07 pm

If you have concerns about his specific post let that be known and I suspect something will be done about it, but no one needs to get the boot over one inappropriate statement. You'll notice they don't do that even for members, let alone the guys who put in hours upon hours making sure this entire site doesn't get shut down.

Sulako · Post by **Sulako** » Thu May 03, 2007 3:17 pm

A little background:

Tofo posted some exceptionally retarded stuff recently and was spanked for it.

Nothing to see here folks, move along.

snaproll20 · Post by **snaproll20** » Thu May 03, 2007 3:23 pm

does Shane Doan post on here?

chu me · Post by **chu me** » Thu May 03, 2007 3:23 pm

Catdriver I happen to agree with all your comments . However, Doc's comments were to suggest that the "Native"owned airlines were "milking" the taxpayers(who as you know include Treaty/Status Indians).I merely pointed out that to mention only the "Native " owned airlines was in fact racist. I also took exception because I work for a First Nations airline that does not( in spite of the implications to the otherwise ) receive one dime from anyone and is profitable.

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Thu May 03, 2007 3:41 pm

Ok, I'll do it! Doc, you're fired!

Now get back to work the rest of you - go wipe your oleos.

hazatude · Post by **hazatude** » Thu May 03, 2007 3:48 pm

Doc is a prince among men. I will fight to the death for him. I'm pretty hard to kill too because I have natural lead in my system from bathing in 100LL for the past ten years.

dun my time · Post by **dun my time** » Thu May 03, 2007 7:32 pm

Tofu, Your sugestion that maybe doc should be removed as a moderater of this website is like the old saying Close the door the horse is gone. Dont know the gentleman, but from his knowledgeable posts he iseeems to me probably one of the few posters on this site that knows of which he speaks. My self I learned to fly in 1962 and have been the bus.since, have been in aviation mantenace sp since 1967. and the more I see of the two hunderd wonders it makes me think how in the world can aviation survive when there so many turkey,s out there that dont know a jar of prop wash from abottle of eyewash. My vote says Doc stays. By the way Doc, ask your cheif pilot if he is dry behind the ears yet :

by for know.D

CID · Post by **CID** » Thu May 03, 2007 7:51 pm

I give Doc high marks for the technical contents of his posts and his opinions.

I don't think he's much of a moderator but then again, moderation is a foreign concept on this site.

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Thu May 03, 2007 8:30 pm

this would be a lonely board if we banned everyone who spoke about things they know nothing about. I mean I would be the only one left.

tofo · Post by **tofo** » Thu May 03, 2007 9:43 pm

I give Doc high marks for the technical contents of his posts and his opinions.

I don't think he's much of a moderator but then again, moderation is a foreign concept on this site.

that's exactly what I'm talking about

Just Curious very aptly quoted the rules of the forumQuote:
You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-oriented or any other material that may violate any applicable laws. Doing so may lead to you being immediately and permanently banned

Then Flyinphil informed me of what the moderators job is(thank you).

My question is who moderates the moderator when they post offensive material. Doc wrote:Quote:
Hey, you can run a 747 three times a day, as long as it's a native owned venture. Just "milk" the tax payers. Not that it would be a novel idea?

This post wrongly and offensively implies that First Nation people of Canada "milk" the tax payers. So who is going to remove Doc.

This is the reason Tofo started this thread.

Apparently it is O.K. to make racist posts if A). YOU ARE THE MODERATOR
B) THESE RACIST COMMENTS ARE DIRECTED TOWARD THE FIRST NATIONS

P.S. These comments made by Doc were not posted in the "Political Debate" section they were posted in the General Comments under (YWG 1900)

P.P.S. I vote to give him the boot seeing as he can't follow the rules

these amongst other comments mainly due to saftey.

People think I want him off this board which is not the case, I don't think he uses the rank of moderator inappropriatly. [/quote]

edited the word appropitly changed to inappropiatly

Sulako · Post by **Sulako** » Thu May 03, 2007 9:55 pm

CID wrote:
I don't think he's much of a moderator but then again, moderation is a foreign concept on this site.

//start thread-jack

Wow, nice way to get my Irish up. I read as many posts on AvCanada each day as I possibly can and still keep my day job, and I bet the other mods do also. I LIKE the fact that we try to be as hands-off as we possibly can and still avoid getting the site sued into oblivion. If you'd prefer a more heavily modded site, I'm sure there are other Canadian aviation sites the censor cursing, or perhaps make sure that nobody's feelings get hurt, and I'm also sure that you'd be welcomed with open arms.

That being said, CID, if you or anyone else has any problem with any posts here, PM me and let me know. AvCanada gets tens of thousands of unique hits a day and hundreds of posts, and sometimes bad stuff can slip past the mods. If you see a grave injustice, or just someone completely ignoring the few rules we have, drop me a line and I give you my word that I will take a long hard look at what you have to say. For real.

One caveat: I couldn't care less if you have an argument with someone else and end up getting your feelings hurt - if you aren't equipped to deal with this site, then don't come here - but if people are openly promoting hatred, naming people's real names in a negative way, or posting dwarf scat porn, then let me know and it'll be dealt with.

//end thread-jack

ps: you wouldn't know where I can get my hands on some dwarf scat porn, would you? No reason...

Sully

Rockie · Post by **Rockie** » Fri May 04, 2007 5:54 am

Hedley wrote:Hey Rockie, what does CID stand for, anyhow?

I give up. What does CID stand for Hedley?

niss · Post by **niss** » Fri May 04, 2007 6:14 am

Sulako wrote: ps: you wouldn't know where I can get my hands on some dwarf scat porn, would you? No reason...

Under your bed beside the tissues and the handcream, where you left it last night.

wanpaku-ed · Post by **wanpaku-ed** » Fri May 04, 2007 7:03 am

Get rid of the soya product. (Tofu is made from soya bean)

trey kule · Post by **trey kule** » Fri May 04, 2007 7:33 am

1. Doc Stays.
2. This should be a non-question. I am asking the moderators to delete this thread as it contains a apersonal and inappropriate attack.

CID · Post by **CID** » Fri May 04, 2007 7:39 am

Trey Kule,

All I see are "opinions".

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=30315

Doc:

Hey CID, all I see are "opinions", you're welcome to PM other mods for their opinions, maybe they will see something I don't and remove the thread. In fact, I would recommend you seek another opinion on the matter.

Widow · Post by **Widow** » Fri May 04, 2007 9:17 am

I'm confused. Before Doc gave the statement which led to him being accused of racism, he said:

Got to be a native owned operator. Private guys can't make money with a northern sked on a 1900D...

Considering this is a qualifier for the later statement, I have to wonder if the accuser knows the meaning of racism.

Merriam-Webster

Main Entry: rac·ism
Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-
Function: noun
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

Given this definition, and the fact that native-owned operations DO have advantages over non-native owned ops, it seems that the racists are the ones who give and accept those discriminatory advantages.

Just my opinion.

chu me · Post by **chu me** » Fri May 04, 2007 2:35 pm

To Widow: you posted

Given this definition, and the fact that native-owned operations DO have advantages over non-native owned ops, it seems that the racists are the ones who give and accept those discriminatory advantages

It is precisely this mis-information that I'm talking about. I would like you to tell me what edge or advantage "native" owned airlines have over non-native owned.

bob sacamano · Post by **bob sacamano** » Fri May 04, 2007 2:49 pm

Is it cos he's black?

snaproll20 · Post by **snaproll20** » Fri May 04, 2007 3:00 pm

Is dwarf spam corn a kind of miniature meaty brand of popcorn?

Can I eat it watching the NHL and if so, if I make it a ritual, will the Oilers become resurgent?

If I eat too much, will I need a 'Doc'?

wingtip · Post by **wingtip** » Fri May 04, 2007 3:20 pm

So.. Aboriginal bands receive funding by the way of tax transfers from the federal government? The bands themselves determine how and to what those funds are allocated? The argument is "who cares where the funding for an airline came from" we all compete on the same level field? Last I checked the bands also had considerable relief from federal taxes including but not limited to corporate and personal taxes. These are all facts so their existence is racially based. Doc was just pointing out the reality of it.

Chu me, please help this make sense...the part where you claim native bands do not have an advantage. I must be missing something. Nobody has made federal funding available to me to start or operate a business so how can the field be level?

Doc stays. If you don't like it, there are other forums. Maybe even some that receive tax credits..

Rowdy · Post by **Rowdy** » Fri May 04, 2007 3:30 pm

Thank you wingtip.

chu me.. you also mentioned the issues of taking higher education off res. And how it was too costly and the status natives lost the credits from the band. I distinctly remember (and can if needed provide proof from the scholarship administrator at the local high school) that there are some excellent scholarships and bursaries that are available only to status natives living off reserve. Some of these if I remember perfectly included allowances for living expenses and residence! I distinctly remember two of such scholarships that had no requirements other than being native and graduating! Tell me thats not an advantage!!?

Keep those eyes and ears open. Not everything is the way it first appears.

North of You · Post by **North of You** » Fri May 04, 2007 3:31 pm

In regards to the Chew Mes’ Apartheid comment.

If I had a dollar for every time I had someone try to win the argument by dismissing my opinions by calling me a racist I would have a lot of dollars. Listen Chu, you and your own people set yourselves apart form the average Canadian by advocating your own government, schools, health care etc. which is funded by the very government (read tax payers) you then have the audacity and the unmitigated gall to compare this system to the Apartheid system! You advocate this system yourselves. Do you do see you hypocrisy? Or do you just spew the same old same old accusations because that is the best you can come up with?

I am offended by this comment of yours, and vote to have you banned along with a public apology.

Doc for PM.

My vote for removing Doc as a moderator on this forum

removing doc