ATPL hours, right seat credit??

JackLumber · Post by **JackLumber** » Wed May 09, 2007 6:45 pm

Hey all,

Just wondering for those who have recently got an ATPL in the pacific region about counting right seat hours at half time on a plane that is certified single pilot but flown 2 crew?? (did i confuse you?) Basically, I'm coming close to ATPL requirments and am hoping to use some right seat Navajo time since we flew it two crew. I've heard through the mill that some guys have been able to do this. Any info would be great, thanks.

Ref Plus 10 · Post by **Ref Plus 10** » Wed May 09, 2007 6:52 pm

If I understand correctly, right seat time on a single pilot aircraft can be credited if the aircraft is designated to be flown by two crew in the ops manual...

altiplano · Post by **altiplano** » Wed May 09, 2007 6:58 pm

I heard that they've been asking for proof that it is eligible ie. a copy out of the ops manual and your PPC card. I know that some guys who worked for companies that no longer exist have had a tough time with the ops manual thing...

Roadtrippin' · Post by **Roadtrippin'** » Wed May 09, 2007 6:58 pm

If the company has an Ops. Spec. requiring 2 crew ops in a single pilot A/C (navajo, PC-12, Kingair etc.) then it can be credited to copilot time

Roadtrippin' · Post by **Roadtrippin'** » Wed May 09, 2007 7:01 pm

If the company's still around have the CP write a comment in your logbook with the Ops. Spec # and like altiplano says keep a copy of your PPC/PCC card

groundtoflightdeck · Post by **groundtoflightdeck** » Wed May 09, 2007 7:01 pm

Look back and see if the aircraft meets the requirments for Single Pilot IFR, if not they will definately give you the credit, I know others have done it that way.

Did Auto work?
Did you have a lighted chart holder?

They will take it, just make an argument and see what happens. Remeber you can go to any office, call YVR, YEG, YYC, YWG, YYZ, until someone likes your time for the credit and send it in, well worth the effort.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Wed May 09, 2007 7:02 pm

So flying as a FO in a private registered airplane does not count?

How do pilots of private registered airplanes fly without getting a PPC? Or do they all kill themselves without that piece of paper?

Ref Plus 10 · Post by **Ref Plus 10** » Wed May 09, 2007 7:50 pm

Cat Driver wrote:So flying as a FO in a private registered airplane does not count?

How do pilots of private registered airplanes fly without getting a PPC? Or do they all kill themselves without that piece of paper?

Does this mean there's more to life than paperwork???

Raising a good point, I couldn't find anything in the CARs, doesn't mean it's not there....if the boss wants two pilots, give the boss two pilots

ei ei owe · Post by **ei ei owe** » Wed May 09, 2007 8:37 pm

Yeah Cat, an unPPC'd pilot is destined to auger into the ground immediately after takeoff without that ppc.
I have a question because I've never flown privately registered navajos/metros etc. Does the owner buy one of these and get cut loose right after purchase? I know in single pilot light jets that a training course is provided. That in essence covers the ppc part. If the owner buys a navajo and gets any type of training, then that would be on par with a ppc. We all know a PPC is a way to keep track of a company's initial training and structured recurrent training.
As for the copilot in a private registered plane, by the sounds of it, I'd say the ATPL applicant would have a really hard time making the hours count towards the license. Rack it all up and count it towards your total time but not towards the next applicable license. If you do manage to prove that the FO time is worthy and TC accepts that, then it's only good for half.

JackLumber · Post by **JackLumber** » Thu May 10, 2007 4:43 pm

Thanks for all the help everyone.

sky's the limit · Post by **sky's the limit** » Thu May 10, 2007 5:36 pm

Why don't we just get rid of the ATPL req't all together and make up an irrelevant exam that any 500hr Instructor/Co-pilot could pass???

Oh wait, my bad....

stl